I'm starting a new thread because the earlier problem
has changed. I have a newly formatted Slave drive, onto
which I have *copied* my Master drive using Partition
Magic 8 to copy it. This is not a Drive Image. I don't
want an 'image' that I can use to recreate the original.
I want an *exact copy* of the original, a clone which I can
simply substitute for the original when the Master goes bad.
(Please note that distinction, Michael).

When I reboot, I am able to boot to either drive by changing
target from HDD0 to HDD1 in the BIOS, and software on each
drive is functioning when I boot to it. My next step will be
to try to run the *exact copy* alone on the system, after
I jumper it as the 'Master or single'. When I did all these
steps before, it booted part way into XP, past the black
logo screen, hanging on the first blue XP logo screen, and I
could find no way to do a repair to make it boot further.
That's why I reformatted and copied the drive again, and
tomorrow I will try that next step.

Perhaps somebody who has 'been there, done that' can tell
me that it should work, or, if not, why not.
William B. Lurie

Bill, if you want an exact copy, that's an image. Ironically, a copy is not
an exact copy, an image creates an exact copy.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm starting a new thread because the earlier problem
> has changed. I have a newly formatted Slave drive, onto
> which I have *copied* my Master drive using Partition
> Magic 8 to copy it. This is not a Drive Image. I don't
> want an 'image' that I can use to recreate the original.
> I want an *exact copy* of the original, a clone which I can
> simply substitute for the original when the Master goes bad.
> (Please note that distinction, Michael).
>
> When I reboot, I am able to boot to either drive by changing
> target from HDD0 to HDD1 in the BIOS, and software on each
> drive is functioning when I boot to it. My next step will be
> to try to run the *exact copy* alone on the system, after
> I jumper it as the 'Master or single'. When I did all these
> steps before, it booted part way into XP, past the black
> logo screen, hanging on the first blue XP logo screen, and I
> could find no way to do a repair to make it boot further.
> That's why I reformatted and copied the drive again, and
> tomorrow I will try that next step.
>
> Perhaps somebody who has 'been there, done that' can tell
> me that it should work, or, if not, why not.
> William B. Lurie

Don 't have an answer for you, but please keep us posted - I am about to
try something very similar. Best of luck!

Pop

....

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User) wrote:

> Bill, if you want an exact copy, that's an image. Ironically, a copy is not
> an exact copy, an image creates an exact copy.
>
Michael, I have a lengthy commentary in response to your helpful
but paradoxical explanation above. Rather than force everybody to read
it, unless they really want to, I am putting it on my website:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/b/i/billurie/image1.txt

William B. Lurie

"William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm starting a new thread because the earlier problem
> has changed. I have a newly formatted Slave drive, onto
> which I have *copied* my Master drive using Partition
> Magic 8 to copy it. This is not a Drive Image. I don't
> want an 'image' that I can use to recreate the original.
> I want an *exact copy* of the original, a clone which I can
> simply substitute for the original when the Master goes bad.
> (Please note that distinction, Michael).
>
> When I reboot, I am able to boot to either drive by changing
> target from HDD0 to HDD1 in the BIOS, and software on each
> drive is functioning when I boot to it. My next step will be
> to try to run the *exact copy* alone on the system, after
> I jumper it as the 'Master or single'. When I did all these
> steps before, it booted part way into XP, past the black
> logo screen, hanging on the first blue XP logo screen, and I
> could find no way to do a repair to make it boot further.
> That's why I reformatted and copied the drive again, and
> tomorrow I will try that next step.
>
> Perhaps somebody who has 'been there, done that' can tell
> me that it should work, or, if not, why not.
> William B. Lurie


While the plot thickens! could you please keep the subject going on this
thread ? I am beginning to lose track when you start a new thread from time
to time.

ASFAIK XP insists on having the necessary boot files on the system drive C.
So if you create another disk,by image and restore or direct copy this drive
will be the boot drive but it will need the system drive C to be present
before it can be booted. You can however create a floppy containing the
NTLDR and boot INI files and you should be able to load this and then the
new drive will boot having got the data from the floppy. Not very elegant
but it works.

A better solution is to create a clone of your master drive on a separate
partition and then separately clone the system drive boot sector so the
replacement drive has--- Partition C system drive containing the boot
records and partition D the XP files.

I am not explaining this very well so I will just describe what I use:-
Physical drive C has the system boot files. Physical drive D contains XP.
The system boots and runs normally.
It is also possible when using the floppy,mentioned above, to boot to D
drive bypassing C drive.

Back up is of C and D using Drive image 7 to another partition on a daily
basis and to an external drive weekly.

Yes I have tested it by restoring C and D to two new drives from the
external drive. I did find it necessary to restore D first and then C. I
assume that the D restore wrote something to C which was corrected when C
was restored.

I hope this is of some help .

Richard.

Richard wrote:
> "William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>I'm starting a new thread because the earlier problem
>>has changed. I have a newly formatted Slave drive, onto
>>which I have *copied* my Master drive using Partition
>>Magic 8 to copy it. This is not a Drive Image. I don't
>>want an 'image' that I can use to recreate the original.
>>I want an *exact copy* of the original, a clone which I can
>>simply substitute for the original when the Master goes bad.
>>(Please note that distinction, Michael).
>>
>>When I reboot, I am able to boot to either drive by changing
>>target from HDD0 to HDD1 in the BIOS, and software on each
>>drive is functioning when I boot to it. My next step will be
>>to try to run the *exact copy* alone on the system, after
>>I jumper it as the 'Master or single'. When I did all these
>>steps before, it booted part way into XP, past the black
>>logo screen, hanging on the first blue XP logo screen, and I
>>could find no way to do a repair to make it boot further.
>>That's why I reformatted and copied the drive again, and
>>tomorrow I will try that next step.
>>
>>Perhaps somebody who has 'been there, done that' can tell
>>me that it should work, or, if not, why not.
>> William B. Lurie
>
>
>
> While the plot thickens! could you please keep the subject going on this
> thread ? I am beginning to lose track when you start a new thread from time
> to time.
>
> ASFAIK XP insists on having the necessary boot files on the system drive C.
> So if you create another disk,by image and restore or direct copy this drive
> will be the boot drive but it will need the system drive C to be present
> before it can be booted. You can however create a floppy containing the
> NTLDR and boot INI files and you should be able to load this and then the
> new drive will boot having got the data from the floppy. Not very elegant
> but it works.
>
> A better solution is to create a clone of your master drive on a separate
> partition and then separately clone the system drive boot sector so the
> replacement drive has--- Partition C system drive containing the boot
> records and partition D the XP files.
>
> I am not explaining this very well so I will just describe what I use:-
> Physical drive C has the system boot files. Physical drive D contains XP.
> The system boots and runs normally.
> It is also possible when using the floppy,mentioned above, to boot to D
> drive bypassing C drive.
>
> Back up is of C and D using Drive image 7 to another partition on a daily
> basis and to an external drive weekly.
>
> Yes I have tested it by restoring C and D to two new drives from the
> external drive. I did find it necessary to restore D first and then C. I
> assume that the D restore wrote something to C which was corrected when C
> was restored.
>
> I hope this is of some help .
>
> Richard.
>
>
Richard, I started a new thred because I felt the old one
was getting too long to follow. Also, I picked up and
summarized so that the old thread didn't have to be present.

I'll save and print out what you wrote, but I'd appreciate
your being a little more explicit. When you use Drive Image 7,
to make the 'copy' ... are you using its DISK COPY mode,
and not Drive Image mode? Gosh, it's nice to know that I'm
not alone in what I'm trying to do!

William B. Lurie

William B. Lurie wrote:
> Richard wrote:
>
>> "William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>> I'm starting a new thread because the earlier problem
>>> has changed. I have a newly formatted Slave drive, onto
>>> which I have *copied* my Master drive using Partition
>>> Magic 8 to copy it. This is not a Drive Image. I don't
>>> want an 'image' that I can use to recreate the original.
>>> I want an *exact copy* of the original, a clone which I can
>>> simply substitute for the original when the Master goes bad.
>>> (Please note that distinction, Michael).
>>>
>>> When I reboot, I am able to boot to either drive by changing
>>> target from HDD0 to HDD1 in the BIOS, and software on each
>>> drive is functioning when I boot to it. My next step will be
>>> to try to run the *exact copy* alone on the system, after
>>> I jumper it as the 'Master or single'. When I did all these
>>> steps before, it booted part way into XP, past the black
>>> logo screen, hanging on the first blue XP logo screen, and I
>>> could find no way to do a repair to make it boot further.
>>> That's why I reformatted and copied the drive again, and
>>> tomorrow I will try that next step.
>>>
>>> Perhaps somebody who has 'been there, done that' can tell
>>> me that it should work, or, if not, why not.
>>> William B. Lurie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> While the plot thickens! could you please keep the subject going on this
>> thread ? I am beginning to lose track when you start a new thread from
>> time
>> to time.
>>
>> ASFAIK XP insists on having the necessary boot files on the system
>> drive C.
>> So if you create another disk,by image and restore or direct copy this
>> drive
>> will be the boot drive but it will need the system drive C to be present
>> before it can be booted. You can however create a floppy containing the
>> NTLDR and boot INI files and you should be able to load this and then the
>> new drive will boot having got the data from the floppy. Not very elegant
>> but it works.
>>
>> A better solution is to create a clone of your master drive on a separate
>> partition and then separately clone the system drive boot sector so the
>> replacement drive has--- Partition C system drive containing the boot
>> records and partition D the XP files.
>>
>> I am not explaining this very well so I will just describe what I use:-
>> Physical drive C has the system boot files. Physical drive D contains
>> XP.
>> The system boots and runs normally.
>> It is also possible when using the floppy,mentioned above, to boot to D
>> drive bypassing C drive.
>>
>> Back up is of C and D using Drive image 7 to another partition on a daily
>> basis and to an external drive weekly.
>>
>> Yes I have tested it by restoring C and D to two new drives from the
>> external drive. I did find it necessary to restore D first and then C. I
>> assume that the D restore wrote something to C which was corrected when C
>> was restored.
>>
>> I hope this is of some help .
>>
>> Richard.
>>
>>
> Richard, I started a new thred because I felt the old one
> was getting too long to follow. Also, I picked up and
> summarized so that the old thread didn't have to be present.
>
> I'll save and print out what you wrote, but I'd appreciate
> your being a little more explicit. When you use Drive Image 7,
> to make the 'copy' ... are you using its DISK COPY mode,
> and not Drive Image mode? Gosh, it's nice to know that I'm
> not alone in what I'm trying to do!
>
And, Michael, let me reprise again: my recreated drive boots
fine when connected as Slave with the reliable drive as Master.
When the recreated drive is jumpered as Master or Single and so
run, it boots past the black Windows logo screen, to the blue
Windows XP logo screen, and hangs there for a couple of minutes
and then gives the (sic) Windows Product Activation error window,
saying "A problem is preventing Windows from accurately checking
the license for this computer. Error code OX80090006".
It is not because it is a copy or an image, it is because something
involved with the activation is standing in the way. I am hoping
that you will tell us how to identify that problem and help us
overcome it. Possibly something is in the boot sector on the old
Master drive which needs to be reinstalled on the clone, maybe it
has to be re-activated by a phone call to a Microsoft number that you
can get for us.
--
William B. Lurie

"William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Richard wrote:
> > "William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >>I'm starting a new thread because the earlier problem
> >>has changed. I have a newly formatted Slave drive, onto
> >>which I have *copied* my Master drive using Partition
> >>Magic 8 to copy it. This is not a Drive Image. I don't
> >>want an 'image' that I can use to recreate the original.
> >>I want an *exact copy* of the original, a clone which I can
> >>simply substitute for the original when the Master goes bad.
> >>(Please note that distinction, Michael).
> >>
> >>When I reboot, I am able to boot to either drive by changing
> >>target from HDD0 to HDD1 in the BIOS, and software on each
> >>drive is functioning when I boot to it. My next step will be
> >>to try to run the *exact copy* alone on the system, after
> >>I jumper it as the 'Master or single'. When I did all these
> >>steps before, it booted part way into XP, past the black
> >>logo screen, hanging on the first blue XP logo screen, and I
> >>could find no way to do a repair to make it boot further.
> >>That's why I reformatted and copied the drive again, and
> >>tomorrow I will try that next step.
> >>
> >>Perhaps somebody who has 'been there, done that' can tell
> >>me that it should work, or, if not, why not.
> >> William B. Lurie
> >
> >
> >
> > While the plot thickens! could you please keep the subject going on this
> > thread ? I am beginning to lose track when you start a new thread from
time
> > to time.
> >
> > ASFAIK XP insists on having the necessary boot files on the system drive
C.
> > So if you create another disk,by image and restore or direct copy this
drive
> > will be the boot drive but it will need the system drive C to be present
> > before it can be booted. You can however create a floppy containing the
> > NTLDR and boot INI files and you should be able to load this and then
the
> > new drive will boot having got the data from the floppy. Not very
elegant
> > but it works.
> >
> > A better solution is to create a clone of your master drive on a
separate
> > partition and then separately clone the system drive boot sector so the
> > replacement drive has--- Partition C system drive containing the boot
> > records and partition D the XP files.
> >
> > I am not explaining this very well so I will just describe what I use:-
> > Physical drive C has the system boot files. Physical drive D contains
XP.
> > The system boots and runs normally.
> > It is also possible when using the floppy,mentioned above, to boot to D
> > drive bypassing C drive.
> >
> > Back up is of C and D using Drive image 7 to another partition on a
daily
> > basis and to an external drive weekly.
> >
> > Yes I have tested it by restoring C and D to two new drives from the
> > external drive. I did find it necessary to restore D first and then C. I
> > assume that the D restore wrote something to C which was corrected when
C
> > was restored.
> >
> > I hope this is of some help .
> >
> > Richard.
> >
> >
> Richard, I started a new thred because I felt the old one
> was getting too long to follow. Also, I picked up and
> summarized so that the old thread didn't have to be present.
>
> I'll save and print out what you wrote, but I'd appreciate
> your being a little more explicit. When you use Drive Image 7,
> to make the 'copy' ... are you using its DISK COPY mode,
> and not Drive Image mode? Gosh, it's nice to know that I'm
> not alone in what I'm trying to do!
>
> William B. Lurie

I originally tried using Drive copy but had problems. So I thought through
various disaster scenarios and decided that I was most likely to have an
image to restore from so that is what I use.
Richard.

Unfortunately, I was had to get offline rather quickly last night or I would
have tried to give you a better explanation.

To cut right through this and put it at its most basic level, a copy of a
drive, copies the "contents" of the drive. An image is a sector by sector
duplicate of the drive and, as such as in exact duplicate of the drive.

The reason I made the distinction is you had previously tried a copy and it
wasn't working. It appeared to me that perhaps XP's activation scheme might
be playing a role in your problem as a copy is not an exact physical
duplicate of the original. I'm glad it's working for you now but if you
should have boot issues with that drive, it's possible that cause may be
that the drive is not an exact duplicate. Further, when you posted last
night, you stated you wanted an exact duplicate of everything on the drive
and that's precisely what an image does right down to the sectors. It is
not a difference without a distinction, there is a distinction.

So, to try to bottom line it for you and the rest of the thread, a copy
copies the contents of a drive but an image makes an exact sector by sector
duplicate and that was what you had originally said you wanted. The
implication of your OP in this thread was that a copy was closer to that
than an image. However, it is the reverse.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User) wrote:
>
>> Bill, if you want an exact copy, that's an image. Ironically, a copy is
>> not an exact copy, an image creates an exact copy.
>>
> Michael, I have a lengthy commentary in response to your helpful
> but paradoxical explanation above. Rather than force everybody to read it,
> unless they really want to, I am putting it on my website:
>
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/b/i/billurie/image1.txt
>
> William B. Lurie

Yes, I'm of two opinions as to why this happens. Either it recognizes the
second drive as a copy and when used as a single master as it triggers the
activation scheme which then causes the error or it's not happening when the
drive is a slave because it is recognized as a copy on the same system.

In essence, when booted as a master, it appears to XP that it has been
copied to a different computer.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> "William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>>> I'm starting a new thread because the earlier problem
>>>> has changed. I have a newly formatted Slave drive, onto
>>>> which I have *copied* my Master drive using Partition
>>>> Magic 8 to copy it. This is not a Drive Image. I don't
>>>> want an 'image' that I can use to recreate the original.
>>>> I want an *exact copy* of the original, a clone which I can
>>>> simply substitute for the original when the Master goes bad.
>>>> (Please note that distinction, Michael).
>>>>
>>>> When I reboot, I am able to boot to either drive by changing
>>>> target from HDD0 to HDD1 in the BIOS, and software on each
>>>> drive is functioning when I boot to it. My next step will be
>>>> to try to run the *exact copy* alone on the system, after
>>>> I jumper it as the 'Master or single'. When I did all these
>>>> steps before, it booted part way into XP, past the black
>>>> logo screen, hanging on the first blue XP logo screen, and I
>>>> could find no way to do a repair to make it boot further.
>>>> That's why I reformatted and copied the drive again, and
>>>> tomorrow I will try that next step.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps somebody who has 'been there, done that' can tell
>>>> me that it should work, or, if not, why not.
>>>> William B. Lurie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While the plot thickens! could you please keep the subject going on this
>>> thread ? I am beginning to lose track when you start a new thread from
>>> time
>>> to time.
>>>
>>> ASFAIK XP insists on having the necessary boot files on the system drive
>>> C.
>>> So if you create another disk,by image and restore or direct copy this
>>> drive
>>> will be the boot drive but it will need the system drive C to be present
>>> before it can be booted. You can however create a floppy containing the
>>> NTLDR and boot INI files and you should be able to load this and then
>>> the
>>> new drive will boot having got the data from the floppy. Not very
>>> elegant
>>> but it works.
>>>
>>> A better solution is to create a clone of your master drive on a
>>> separate
>>> partition and then separately clone the system drive boot sector so the
>>> replacement drive has--- Partition C system drive containing the boot
>>> records and partition D the XP files.
>>>
>>> I am not explaining this very well so I will just describe what I use:-
>>> Physical drive C has the system boot files. Physical drive D contains
>>> XP.
>>> The system boots and runs normally.
>>> It is also possible when using the floppy,mentioned above, to boot to D
>>> drive bypassing C drive.
>>>
>>> Back up is of C and D using Drive image 7 to another partition on a
>>> daily
>>> basis and to an external drive weekly.
>>>
>>> Yes I have tested it by restoring C and D to two new drives from the
>>> external drive. I did find it necessary to restore D first and then C. I
>>> assume that the D restore wrote something to C which was corrected when
>>> C
>>> was restored.
>>>
>>> I hope this is of some help .
>>>
>>> Richard.
>>>
>>>
>> Richard, I started a new thred because I felt the old one
>> was getting too long to follow. Also, I picked up and
>> summarized so that the old thread didn't have to be present.
>>
>> I'll save and print out what you wrote, but I'd appreciate
>> your being a little more explicit. When you use Drive Image 7,
>> to make the 'copy' ... are you using its DISK COPY mode,
>> and not Drive Image mode? Gosh, it's nice to know that I'm
>> not alone in what I'm trying to do!
>>
> And, Michael, let me reprise again: my recreated drive boots
> fine when connected as Slave with the reliable drive as Master.
> When the recreated drive is jumpered as Master or Single and so
> run, it boots past the black Windows logo screen, to the blue
> Windows XP logo screen, and hangs there for a couple of minutes
> and then gives the (sic) Windows Product Activation error window,
> saying "A problem is preventing Windows from accurately checking
> the license for this computer. Error code OX80090006".
> It is not because it is a copy or an image, it is because something
> involved with the activation is standing in the way. I am hoping
> that you will tell us how to identify that problem and help us
> overcome it. Possibly something is in the boot sector on the old
> Master drive which needs to be reinstalled on the clone, maybe it
> has to be re-activated by a phone call to a Microsoft number that you
> can get for us.
> --
> William B. Lurie