In a Word 2002 document, Word forces a paragraph of text to end at
"At 5.4", Ln 23"
forcing the next paragraph of text onto the following page. The
document's top and bottom margins are both set at a 1". Headers/footers
are both set at .5" (only the footer is used for page numbers)

I un-hid the codes and saw no inadvertent "next page" or "section" code
present. I believe this behavior may be happening because there are
lengthy footnotes on this page (though they only start at 8.2"). This
leaves a lot of unnecessary blank space at the bottom of this page's
text. If I remove one of the footnotes, text follows normally. When I
restore it, the strange behavior resumes.

In the paragraph format I see that "Widow/Orphan control" is selected.
But when I un-select it for the last paragraph and the first one on the
new page, there is no change of behavior.

Is there something I can do to prevent Word from forcing a new page at
this point in the text?

Thank you.

Jeff

See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/BottomLine.htm, especially the
section on footnotes and the discussion of the "Keep with next"
option; and maybe
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...OnDiffPage.htm.

--
Regards,
Jay Freedman
Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:26:42 -0400, "(E-Mail Removed)"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>In a Word 2002 document, Word forces a paragraph of text to end at
>"At 5.4", Ln 23"
>forcing the next paragraph of text onto the following page. The
>document's top and bottom margins are both set at a 1". Headers/footers
>are both set at .5" (only the footer is used for page numbers)
>
>I un-hid the codes and saw no inadvertent "next page" or "section" code
>present. I believe this behavior may be happening because there are
>lengthy footnotes on this page (though they only start at 8.2"). This
>leaves a lot of unnecessary blank space at the bottom of this page's
>text. If I remove one of the footnotes, text follows normally. When I
>restore it, the strange behavior resumes.
>
>In the paragraph format I see that "Widow/Orphan control" is selected.
>But when I un-select it for the last paragraph and the first one on the
>new page, there is no change of behavior.
>
>Is there something I can do to prevent Word from forcing a new page at
>this point in the text?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Jeff

On 7/24/2010 5:11 PM, Jay Freedman wrote:
> See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/BottomLine.htm, especially the
> section on footnotes and the discussion of the "Keep with next"
> option; and maybe
> http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...OnDiffPage.htm.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Jay Freedman
> Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> newsgroup so all may benefit.
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:26:42 -0400, "(E-Mail Removed)"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> In a Word 2002 document, Word forces a paragraph of text to end at
>> "At 5.4", Ln 23"
>> forcing the next paragraph of text onto the following page. The
>> document's top and bottom margins are both set at a 1". Headers/footers
>> are both set at .5" (only the footer is used for page numbers)
>>
>> I un-hid the codes and saw no inadvertent "next page" or "section" code
>> present. I believe this behavior may be happening because there are
>> lengthy footnotes on this page (though they only start at 8.2"). This
>> leaves a lot of unnecessary blank space at the bottom of this page's
>> text. If I remove one of the footnotes, text follows normally. When I
>> restore it, the strange behavior resumes.
>>
>> In the paragraph format I see that "Widow/Orphan control" is selected.
>> But when I un-select it for the last paragraph and the first one on the
>> new page, there is no change of behavior.
>>
>> Is there something I can do to prevent Word from forcing a new page at
>> this point in the text?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Jeff
thanks. will look at them.

On 7/24/2010 5:11 PM, Jay Freedman wrote:
> See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/BottomLine.htm, especially the
> section on footnotes and the discussion of the "Keep with next"
> option; and maybe
> http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...OnDiffPage.htm.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Jay Freedman
> Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> newsgroup so all may benefit.
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:26:42 -0400, "(E-Mail Removed)"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> In a Word 2002 document, Word forces a paragraph of text to end at
>> "At 5.4", Ln 23"
>> forcing the next paragraph of text onto the following page. The
>> document's top and bottom margins are both set at a 1". Headers/footers
>> are both set at .5" (only the footer is used for page numbers)
>>
>> I un-hid the codes and saw no inadvertent "next page" or "section" code
>> present. I believe this behavior may be happening because there are
>> lengthy footnotes on this page (though they only start at 8.2"). This
>> leaves a lot of unnecessary blank space at the bottom of this page's
>> text. If I remove one of the footnotes, text follows normally. When I
>> restore it, the strange behavior resumes.
>>
>> In the paragraph format I see that "Widow/Orphan control" is selected.
>> But when I un-select it for the last paragraph and the first one on the
>> new page, there is no change of behavior.
>>
>> Is there something I can do to prevent Word from forcing a new page at
>> this point in the text?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Jeff

Using the info on the urls you recommended I solved my problem. Thought
to describe it for others who might need it.

For just the last paragraph on the short page I changed the paragraph
setting for "Line spacing" to "exactly 13 pts" instead of the default
"single". That pulled the next paragraph from the subsequent page to
where it belonged under that paragraph.

I am using Times New Roman 12 pt for the text font, but when I changed
that paragraph to "exactly 12 pts", the lines were cramped too close
together. Using "exactly 13 pts" made the visual spacing similar to the
other single spacing on the page (at least on the computer screen). Not
sure why.

Thanks for helping.

On 7/24/2010 5:11 PM, Jay Freedman wrote:
> See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/BottomLine.htm, especially the
> section on footnotes and the discussion of the "Keep with next"
> option; and maybe
> http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...OnDiffPage.htm.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Jay Freedman
> Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> newsgroup so all may benefit.
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:26:42 -0400, "(E-Mail Removed)"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> In a Word 2002 document, Word forces a paragraph of text to end at
>> "At 5.4", Ln 23"
>> forcing the next paragraph of text onto the following page. The
>> document's top and bottom margins are both set at a 1". Headers/footers
>> are both set at .5" (only the footer is used for page numbers)
>>
>> I un-hid the codes and saw no inadvertent "next page" or "section" code
>> present. I believe this behavior may be happening because there are
>> lengthy footnotes on this page (though they only start at 8.2"). This
>> leaves a lot of unnecessary blank space at the bottom of this page's
>> text. If I remove one of the footnotes, text follows normally. When I
>> restore it, the strange behavior resumes.
>>
>> In the paragraph format I see that "Widow/Orphan control" is selected.
>> But when I un-select it for the last paragraph and the first one on the
>> new page, there is no change of behavior.
>>
>> Is there something I can do to prevent Word from forcing a new page at
>> this point in the text?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Jeff

Using the info on the urls you recommended I solved my problem. Thought
to describe it for others who might need it.

For just the last paragraph on the short page I changed the paragraph
setting for "Line spacing" to "exactly 13 pts" instead of the default
"single". That pulled the next paragraph from the subsequent page to
where it belonged under that paragraph.

I am using Times New Roman 12 pt for the text font, but when I changed
that paragraph to "exactly 12 pts", the lines were cramped too close
together. Using "exactly 13 pts" made the visual spacing similar to the
other single spacing on the page (at least on the computer screen). Not
sure why.

Thanks for helping.

On 7/24/2010 5:11 PM, Jay Freedman wrote:
> See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/BottomLine.htm, especially the
> section on footnotes and the discussion of the "Keep with next"
> option; and maybe
> http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...OnDiffPage.htm.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Jay Freedman
> Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
> newsgroup so all may benefit.
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:26:42 -0400, "(E-Mail Removed)"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> In a Word 2002 document, Word forces a paragraph of text to end at
>> "At 5.4", Ln 23"
>> forcing the next paragraph of text onto the following page. The
>> document's top and bottom margins are both set at a 1". Headers/footers
>> are both set at .5" (only the footer is used for page numbers)
>>
>> I un-hid the codes and saw no inadvertent "next page" or "section" code
>> present. I believe this behavior may be happening because there are
>> lengthy footnotes on this page (though they only start at 8.2"). This
>> leaves a lot of unnecessary blank space at the bottom of this page's
>> text. If I remove one of the footnotes, text follows normally. When I
>> restore it, the strange behavior resumes.
>>
>> In the paragraph format I see that "Widow/Orphan control" is selected.
>> But when I un-select it for the last paragraph and the first one on the
>> new page, there is no change of behavior.
>>
>> Is there something I can do to prevent Word from forcing a new page at
>> this point in the text?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Jeff
Using the info on the urls you recommended I solved my problem. Thought
to describe it for others who might need it.

For just the last paragraph on the short page I changed the paragraph
setting for "Line spacing" to "exactly 13 pts" instead of the default
"single". That pulled the next paragraph from the subsequent page to
where it belonged under that paragraph.

I am using Times New Roman 12 pt for the text font, but when I changed
that paragraph to "exactly 12 pts", the lines were cramped too close
together. Using "exactly 13 pts" made the visual spacing similar to the
other single spacing on the page (at least on the computer screen). Not
sure why.

Thanks for helping.

Actually, the default leading (spacing built into the font) for TNR is 120%,
which means that the Single line spacing is about 14.2 points. The leading
varies considerably from one font to another, but it is part of the font
design.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:i2gc5q$shd$(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 7/24/2010 5:11 PM, Jay Freedman wrote:
>> See http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/BottomLine.htm, especially the
>> section on footnotes and the discussion of the "Keep with next"
>> option; and maybe
>> http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...OnDiffPage.htm.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Jay Freedman
>> Microsoft Word MVP FAQ: http://word.mvps.org
>> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
>> newsgroup so all may benefit.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:26:42 -0400, "(E-Mail Removed)"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> In a Word 2002 document, Word forces a paragraph of text to end at
>>> "At 5.4", Ln 23"
>>> forcing the next paragraph of text onto the following page. The
>>> document's top and bottom margins are both set at a 1". Headers/footers
>>> are both set at .5" (only the footer is used for page numbers)
>>>
>>> I un-hid the codes and saw no inadvertent "next page" or "section" code
>>> present. I believe this behavior may be happening because there are
>>> lengthy footnotes on this page (though they only start at 8.2"). This
>>> leaves a lot of unnecessary blank space at the bottom of this page's
>>> text. If I remove one of the footnotes, text follows normally. When I
>>> restore it, the strange behavior resumes.
>>>
>>> In the paragraph format I see that "Widow/Orphan control" is selected.
>>> But when I un-select it for the last paragraph and the first one on the
>>> new page, there is no change of behavior.
>>>
>>> Is there something I can do to prevent Word from forcing a new page at
>>> this point in the text?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>
> Using the info on the urls you recommended I solved my problem. Thought
> to describe it for others who might need it.
>
> For just the last paragraph on the short page I changed the paragraph
> setting for "Line spacing" to "exactly 13 pts" instead of the default
> "single". That pulled the next paragraph from the subsequent page to where
> it belonged under that paragraph.
>
> I am using Times New Roman 12 pt for the text font, but when I changed
> that paragraph to "exactly 12 pts", the lines were cramped too close
> together. Using "exactly 13 pts" made the visual spacing similar to the
> other single spacing on the page (at least on the computer screen). Not
> sure why.
>
> Thanks for helping.
>

On 7/25/2010 10:22 AM, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> Actually, the default leading (spacing built into the font) for TNR is
> 120%, which means that the Single line spacing is about 14.2 points. The
> leading varies considerably from one font to another, but it is part of
> the font design.
>
Thank you. Even 13 did not seem "exactly" right. Will play more with it.

Jeff

On 7/25/2010 10:22 AM, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> Actually, the default leading (spacing built into the font) for TNR is
> 120%, which means that the Single line spacing is about 14.2 points. The
> leading varies considerably from one font to another, but it is part of
> the font design.
>
After fixing the short page in question I noticed that the same problem
happened a page later. Is there a problem with formatting all the text
to line spacing 14.2 instead of single? Or should I restrict myself to
just the paragraphs where the problem occurs?

Thanks.

If you're going to use Exactly spacing, I would recommend making it part of
the style. But be aware that you may also need to change the line spacing of
headings and other styles accordingly. Not so much a problem if you are
single spacing, but Exactly spacing puts the extra space above the baseline,
and Multiple spacing puts it below; so if you try to mix Exactly with, say,
Double, you will have inconsistencies.

Another approach, if you want to format just specific paragraphs, is to use
Multiple spacing slightly less than 100%. For example, if you want to crowd
a paragraph into a tight (vertical) squeeze, try setting Multiple line
spacing to 0.99 or less. See
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting/FitCopy.htm for more.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:i2kg1n$9eb$(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 7/25/2010 10:22 AM, Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>> Actually, the default leading (spacing built into the font) for TNR is
>> 120%, which means that the Single line spacing is about 14.2 points. The
>> leading varies considerably from one font to another, but it is part of
>> the font design.
>>
> After fixing the short page in question I noticed that the same problem
> happened a page later. Is there a problem with formatting all the text to
> line spacing 14.2 instead of single? Or should I restrict myself to just
> the paragraphs where the problem occurs?
>
> Thanks.
>