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big problems with browser compatibility!

 
 
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      17th Nov 2004
I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to choose
the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit and
provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is on the
local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was completely
unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major problem? If
I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need to
make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.
 
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      17th Nov 2004
it won't be something where you can "flip a switch" and get the
compatibility you're looking for.
can you post a link to the offending site?

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Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

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Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
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"Surfin Local" <Surfin (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to

choose
> the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
> browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit and
> provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is on

the
> local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
> graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was completely
> unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major problem?

If
> I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need to
> make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.



 
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      17th Nov 2004
Changing settings in FrontPage now is like shutting the proverbial stable
door.... The settings in FP prevent components being used, they do not
change anything that has already been done.

From your very brief description of the problems I _guess_ that you have
used absolute positioning. Used carefully AP will not cause a problem in
modern browsers (including NN4). Used carelessly, the overlapping text and
graphics layers will be prevalent if the browser window is not at the design
size.

A URL will enable a better answer.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.


"Surfin Local" <Surfin (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:19064845-A4E0-4400-B56B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to
>choose
> the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
> browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit and
> provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is on
> the
> local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
> graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was completely
> unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major problem?
> If
> I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need to
> make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.



 
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      17th Nov 2004
the site is surfinlocal.com

"Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage" wrote:

> it won't be something where you can "flip a switch" and get the
> compatibility you're looking for.
> can you post a link to the offending site?
>
> --
> Chris Leeds,
> Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
>
> Make More Money with Less Work
> Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
> http://contentseed.com/
> --
> "Surfin Local" <Surfin (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:19064845-A4E0-4400-B56B-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to

> choose
> > the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
> > browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit and
> > provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is on

> the
> > local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
> > graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was completely
> > unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major problem?

> If
> > I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need to
> > make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.

>
>
>

 
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Murray
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      17th Nov 2004
Oh my GOOD GRIEF goodness....

Umm - howcome you are using XHTML?

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"Surfin Local" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:79143045-3D93-47FA-A7C0-(E-Mail Removed)...
> the site is surfinlocal.com
>
> "Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage" wrote:
>
>> it won't be something where you can "flip a switch" and get the
>> compatibility you're looking for.
>> can you post a link to the offending site?
>>
>> --
>> Chris Leeds,
>> Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
>>
>> Make More Money with Less Work
>> Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
>> http://contentseed.com/
>> --
>> "Surfin Local" <Surfin (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:19064845-A4E0-4400-B56B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to

>> choose
>> > the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
>> > browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit
>> > and
>> > provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is on

>> the
>> > local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
>> > graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was
>> > completely
>> > unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major
>> > problem?

>> If
>> > I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need
>> > to
>> > make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.

>>
>>
>>



 
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E. T. Culling
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      17th Nov 2004
Shouldn't he just start over ... correctly?
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"Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Oh my GOOD GRIEF goodness....
>
> Umm - howcome you are using XHTML?
>
> --
> Murray
>
> "Surfin Local" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:79143045-3D93-47FA-A7C0-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> the site is surfinlocal.com
>>
>> "Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage" wrote:
>>
>>> it won't be something where you can "flip a switch" and get the
>>> compatibility you're looking for.
>>> can you post a link to the offending site?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Leeds,
>>> Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
>>>
>>> Make More Money with Less Work
>>> Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
>>> http://contentseed.com/
>>> --
>>> "Surfin Local" <Surfin (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:19064845-A4E0-4400-B56B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> > I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to
>>> choose
>>> > the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
>>> > browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit
>>> > and
>>> > provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is
>>> > on
>>> the
>>> > local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
>>> > graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was
>>> > completely
>>> > unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major
>>> > problem?
>>> If
>>> > I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need
>>> > to
>>> > make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>



 
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Ronx
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      17th Nov 2004
VML graphics - text boxes, Word Art and anything else drawn with the Drawing
Tools, will only display in IE5.5 and later running on Windows PCs. All
other browsers will use down-level images (better termed down-graded
images.)

VML graphics are located on the page using Absolute Positioning, which
[Absolute Positioning] does not work too well in some browsers, unless used
with care.

Text Boxes do not take into account the vagaries of other browsers, such as
different rendering of text and Headings.

If you need the site to be cross browser compatible, I advise starting
again, using gifs and jpgs instead of word art, and properly positioned
layers, with borders, instead of text boxes.

Just for the record, the page looks terrible in FireFox 1.0, but can be
improved by using ordinary graphics and positioning items on the page using
tables.

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Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
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"Surfin Local" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:79143045-3D93-47FA-A7C0-(E-Mail Removed)...
> the site is surfinlocal.com
>
> "Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage" wrote:
>
>> it won't be something where you can "flip a switch" and get the
>> compatibility you're looking for.
>> can you post a link to the offending site?
>>
>> --
>> Chris Leeds,
>> Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
>>
>> Make More Money with Less Work
>> Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
>> http://contentseed.com/
>> --
>> "Surfin Local" <Surfin (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:19064845-A4E0-4400-B56B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to

>> choose
>> > the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
>> > browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit
>> > and
>> > provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is on

>> the
>> > local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
>> > graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was
>> > completely
>> > unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major
>> > problem?

>> If
>> > I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need
>> > to
>> > make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.

>>
>>
>>



 
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      17th Nov 2004
I did use absolute positioning and most of the content is placed in layers.
With lots of experience in page layout software and none in web development,
I apparantly created the site with the wrong frame of mind. I reviewed some
of the on-line training that I took initially and still fail to see where
this obviously important step is clearly noted. So while I am busy kicking
myself, could you tell me what you would do at this point?
"Ronx" wrote:

> Changing settings in FrontPage now is like shutting the proverbial stable
> door.... The settings in FP prevent components being used, they do not
> change anything that has already been done.
>
> From your very brief description of the problems I _guess_ that you have
> used absolute positioning. Used carefully AP will not cause a problem in
> modern browsers (including NN4). Used carelessly, the overlapping text and
> graphics layers will be prevalent if the browser window is not at the design
> size.
>
> A URL will enable a better answer.
>
> --
> Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>
>
> "Surfin Local" <Surfin (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:19064845-A4E0-4400-B56B-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to
> >choose
> > the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
> > browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit and
> > provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is on
> > the
> > local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
> > graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was completely
> > unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major problem?
> > If
> > I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need to
> > make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.

>
>
>

 
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Ronx
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      17th Nov 2004
I would start again, using tables to position elements, and lose the Word
Art and Text Boxes.

For a web page, you need a completely different mind set to designing a
printed page. A web page has no dimensions - it's as wide as the browser
(and sometimes wider), and as long as needed to get to the end.

Also, see my other post.

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"Surfin Local" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:6559B278-60FA-4201-8EFF-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I did use absolute positioning and most of the content is placed in layers.
> With lots of experience in page layout software and none in web
> development,
> I apparantly created the site with the wrong frame of mind. I reviewed
> some
> of the on-line training that I took initially and still fail to see where
> this obviously important step is clearly noted. So while I am busy kicking
> myself, could you tell me what you would do at this point?
> "Ronx" wrote:
>
>> Changing settings in FrontPage now is like shutting the proverbial stable
>> door.... The settings in FP prevent components being used, they do not
>> change anything that has already been done.
>>
>> From your very brief description of the problems I _guess_ that you have
>> used absolute positioning. Used carefully AP will not cause a problem in
>> modern browsers (including NN4). Used carelessly, the overlapping text
>> and
>> graphics layers will be prevalent if the browser window is not at the
>> design
>> size.
>>
>> A URL will enable a better answer.
>>
>> --
>> Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>>
>>
>> "Surfin Local" <Surfin (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:19064845-A4E0-4400-B56B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to
>> >choose
>> > the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
>> > browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit
>> > and
>> > provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is on
>> > the
>> > local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
>> > graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was
>> > completely
>> > unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major
>> > problem?
>> > If
>> > I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need
>> > to
>> > make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.

>>
>>
>>



 
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Murray
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      17th Nov 2004
And the characters on the page are as big or as small as the viewer desires.

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"Ronx" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I would start again, using tables to position elements, and lose the Word
>Art and Text Boxes.
>
> For a web page, you need a completely different mind set to designing a
> printed page. A web page has no dimensions - it's as wide as the browser
> (and sometimes wider), and as long as needed to get to the end.
>
> Also, see my other post.
>
> --
> Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>
>
> "Surfin Local" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:6559B278-60FA-4201-8EFF-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I did use absolute positioning and most of the content is placed in
>>layers.
>> With lots of experience in page layout software and none in web
>> development,
>> I apparantly created the site with the wrong frame of mind. I reviewed
>> some
>> of the on-line training that I took initially and still fail to see where
>> this obviously important step is clearly noted. So while I am busy
>> kicking
>> myself, could you tell me what you would do at this point?
>> "Ronx" wrote:
>>
>>> Changing settings in FrontPage now is like shutting the proverbial
>>> stable
>>> door.... The settings in FP prevent components being used, they do not
>>> change anything that has already been done.
>>>
>>> From your very brief description of the problems I _guess_ that you have
>>> used absolute positioning. Used carefully AP will not cause a problem
>>> in
>>> modern browsers (including NN4). Used carelessly, the overlapping text
>>> and
>>> graphics layers will be prevalent if the browser window is not at the
>>> design
>>> size.
>>>
>>> A URL will enable a better answer.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
>>> Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Surfin Local" <Surfin (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:19064845-A4E0-4400-B56B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> >I created a website in FP 2003 without understanding that I needed to
>>> >choose
>>> > the correct authoring properties for consistent viewing in different
>>> > browsers. After publishing the site, I asked several people to visit
>>> > and
>>> > provide input. One person viewed the site in IE 5.0 (IE version 6 is
>>> > on
>>> > the
>>> > local drive) and noted several problems with the layering of text and
>>> > graphics. The site was also viewed in Netscape 4.7 where it was
>>> > completely
>>> > unusable. Can I simply change those settings or do I have a major
>>> > problem?
>>> > If
>>> > I can just change the settings, can I use the remote site or do I need
>>> > to
>>> > make the change on the local and re-publish? Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>



 
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