Hi its not big per-say

just i want to replace my CPU fan from the stock one, because im
getting heats of 52*C+ when playing games like CS; S

Just the last time my bro tried to replace the stock fan in his PC it
didnt boot up.

What happenedn to his, was he repalced the stock fan, installed it
correctly, it had a heatpad on the bottom of it, im not sure whether
he put anytihng else on, and he booted up, after everything was
normal, but it didnt boot up. We took it to a proffesional and
aparnlty the bios wiped it self, or the motherbaord was gone or
something of the sort.

I don't want to risk damaging my computer, but the heat is affecting
my gameplay!! if somebody couldgive me safety precautions or what not
to do when installing a new fan, i woudl appriciate it, i woudl also
appriciate if someboy could guide me to a good AMD athlon 3200+
fan/cpu heatsink, which would birng the heat right down!!!

THANKSSS!!!

if you can help me pm me or add me to msn messenger,
(E-Mail Removed)!

I wouldn't worry about the heat of the processor going over 52C. I've
seen mine go over 60C. The Athlon was designed to withstand a maximum
of 90-95C.

Really what is much more important than the temperature of the CPU is
the temperature of the chipset. Those chipsets aren't designed for high
heat, and I've noticed that data becomes unreliable when the chipset
goes over 40C. It's the chipset that you really should be monitoring.

Yousuf Khan

Xtreme126 <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> just i want to replace my CPU fan from the stock one, because
> im getting heats of 52*C+ when playing games like CS; S

Chill! [pun intended] This is not a problem. The AMD XP
3200+ is spec'd to 85'C, and even with the usual (large)
offset between die and mobo sensors, you are almost certainly
within spec. Furthermore, even if you are overwarm, AFAIK the
K7 doesn't have thermal throttling (unlike the P7 Pentium4)
so will just run hot, not slow down.

> I don't want to risk damaging my computer,

Then don't do anything beyond your skill set. One simple
thing is to feel the case back, sides and check exhaust
fan temperatures. If any of these are overwarm, then you
may have poor case airflow. Fix it by making sure all vents
have clear, fresh airflow. No carpets, papers or jamming
into corners that force recirculation.

If you feel comfortable removing case covers, you can blow
dust out from CPU & GPU heatsinks, power supply and vents.
Mine (on 24/7) need blowing every year or so. YMMV. Canned
air is sold for this purpose. You might also look at case
airflow from the inlet vents to the exhausts and make sure
there are no obstructions like flat ribbon cables. If there
are, you may be able to move them gently out of the way.

> but the heat is affecting my gameplay!!

How, precisely? You're a gamer, so I presume you've got
an advanced/expensive video card. These can produce a lot
of heat, and cause lockups if they're not properly cooled.

You may also have acquired a software problem. MS-Windows
is a popular target for various trojans and worms. All
operating systems without QoS can run into trouble with
bandwidth hogs like poorly-configured P2P apps.

-- Robert

Xtreme126 wrote:

> just i want to replace my CPU fan from the stock one, because im
> getting heats of 52*C+ when playing games like CS; S
>
> Just the last time my bro tried to replace the stock fan in his PC it
> didnt boot up.
>
> What happenedn to his, was he repalced the stock fan, installed it
> correctly, it had a heatpad on the bottom of it, im not sure whether
> he put anytihng else on, and he booted up, after everything was
> normal, but it didnt boot up. We took it to a proffesional and
> aparnlty the bios wiped it self, or the motherbaord was gone or
> something of the sort.
>
> I don't want to risk damaging my computer, but the heat is affecting
> my gameplay!!

How is it affecting your gameplay?

> if somebody couldgive me safety precautions or what not
> to do when installing a new fan, i woudl appriciate it, i woudl also
> appriciate if someboy could guide me to a good AMD athlon 3200+
> fan/cpu heatsink, which would birng the heat right down!!!

Thermal Interface Material Comparison: Thermal Pads vs. Thermal Grease
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/26951.pdf

System Building Guide
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...2_9342,00.html

Processor and Heatsink Installation Videos
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...5E6678,00.html

--
Regards, Grumble

YKhan <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Really what is much more important than the temperature of
> the CPU is the temperature of the chipset. Those chipsets
> aren't designed for high heat, and I've noticed that data
> becomes unreliable when the chipset goes over 40C. It's
> the chipset that you really should be monitoring.

I'm not sure about more recent chipsets, but I know the
i440BX is spec'd for 105'C. People did report that cooling
it helped, but I'm not so sure. It might need a heatslug
more than a heatsink.

Or a problem may be voltage regulators and increased
noise/crosstalk on those 64 bit wide memory busses if
the substrate has a temperature gradient.

-- Robert

The gaming problems i get arnt in the online games, its all motly in
offline games, i got alot of sluggyness in half life 2 single palyer,
and the poitn was, ive repalced my GFX cards stock fan, because lets
face it, that small thing did nothing, and i have an arrctic cooling
one, and ive got the ati softmod

i tihnk itsa all down to my gfx card i suppose, an ati radeon 9500
pro, doesnt cut it now adays, the softmod has suppsoedly made it run
at 9700pro

either way ill look into it
also, just lie kto say, the cpu cooler repalcement is beyond me, im
always doing stuff in my computer, jsut after what ahppened to my
bros pc, kinda made me warey of what coudl happen.

eitherway thanks all

On 2 May 2005 07:05:02 -0700 "YKhan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in Message
id: <(E-Mail Removed)>:

>I've noticed that data becomes unreliable when the chipset
>goes over 40C.

What POS chipset is unreliable above 40c?

Robert Redelmeier wrote:
> YKhan <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Really what is much more important than the temperature of
>>the CPU is the temperature of the chipset. Those chipsets
>>aren't designed for high heat, and I've noticed that data
>>becomes unreliable when the chipset goes over 40C. It's
>>the chipset that you really should be monitoring.
>
>
> I'm not sure about more recent chipsets, but I know the
> i440BX is spec'd for 105'C. People did report that cooling
> it helped, but I'm not so sure. It might need a heatslug
> more than a heatsink.

105C or 105F?

Yousuf Khan

Robert Redelmeier wrote:
> I'm not sure about more recent chipsets, but I know the
> i440BX is spec'd for 105'C. People did report that cooling
> it helped, but I'm not so sure. It might need a heatslug
> more than a heatsink.

If it is 105F then that equals 41C, exactly what I was talking about.

Yousuf Khan

Trent wrote:
> On 2 May 2005 07:05:02 -0700 "YKhan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in Message
> id: <(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>
>>I've noticed that data becomes unreliable when the chipset
>>goes over 40C.
>
>
> What POS chipset is unreliable above 40c?

All of them. If you start seeing a chipset start approaching 40C then
you should be worried. Most of the time, they will hover around 30-35C
they usually don't go up or down much with processor activity, but they
do go up and down with dust build up.

Yousuf Khan