I've been a rather vocal critic of WLM and more so
with Vista's Windows Mail. I still would not recommend
WM, but WLM has made some definite improvements.

Since I typically use Outlook for email, my biggest use
for WLM is newsgroups. The overall performance has
improved dramatically. Thank you. I've been using
Thunderbird, but I may switch back to WLM.

Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
make it smaller?


-Michael

"MICHAEL" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
> make it smaller?

Okay, I found how to get rid of the header.

The setting is under "Layout". I still wish it was
collapseable/expandable. Oh well, I am still pleased
with how well WLM seems to be working.


-Michael

I have found several bugs in this program...

it was not ready to go out of beta...

and the interface is still bad


"MICHAEL" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:uAfx$(E-Mail Removed)...
> "MICHAEL" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>> make it smaller?
>
> Okay, I found how to get rid of the header.
>
> The setting is under "Layout". I still wish it was
> collapseable/expandable. Oh well, I am still pleased
> with how well WLM seems to be working.
>
>
> -Michael

IMO, compared to what it was and most definitely
when compared to WM, WLM has improved greatly.

Since I only use WLM for newsgroups, I may not be seeing
the same bugs you are experiencing.

-Michael

"badvista" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:473473c8$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have found several bugs in this program...
>
> it was not ready to go out of beta...
>
> and the interface is still bad
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:uAfx$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> "MICHAEL" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>>> make it smaller?
>>
>> Okay, I found how to get rid of the header.
>>
>> The setting is under "Layout". I still wish it was
>> collapseable/expandable. Oh well, I am still pleased
>> with how well WLM seems to be working.
>>
>>
>> -Michael
>
>

"badvista" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:473473c8$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have found several bugs in this program...
>
> it was not ready to go out of beta...

It isn't out of beta.
The latest version is WLM *beta*

> and the interface is still bad

Personal choice.

"dennis@home" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>
> "badvista" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:473473c8$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I have found several bugs in this program...
>>
>> it was not ready to go out of beta...
>
> It isn't out of beta.
> The latest version is WLM *beta*

It is out of beta... current version is 12.0.1606

http://www.windowslive.com/overview.html

>> and the interface is still bad
>
> Personal choice.


-Michael

Add "Folder pane to the toolbar.
This will allow collapsing and expanding the folder list.
I don't know how many newsgroups you use. You may be able to leave the
Folder list collapsed.
--
Ronald Sommer

"MICHAEL" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:uAfx$(E-Mail Removed)...
> "MICHAEL" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>> make it smaller?
>
> Okay, I found how to get rid of the header.
>
> The setting is under "Layout". I still wish it was
> collapseable/expandable. Oh well, I am still pleased
> with how well WLM seems to be working.
>
>
> -Michael

Michael, perhaps you could reply as I also would only use WLM for
newsgroups. What are the significant advantages you see over Windows Mail?
One thing that particularly irritates me is that the newsgroup name in the
folder list on the left will not stay consistently red if you are "watching"
a thread. A MSoft MVP has confirmed this and says there is no workaround.
I tried WLM a little while back and it did the same thing. What are your
"likes" vs. WM?

Thanks in advance... Bob

"MICHAEL" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> "dennis@home" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>
>> "badvista" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:473473c8$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I have found several bugs in this program...
>>>
>>> it was not ready to go out of beta...
>>
>> It isn't out of beta.
>> The latest version is WLM *beta*
>
> It is out of beta... current version is 12.0.1606
>
> http://www.windowslive.com/overview.html
>
>>> and the interface is still bad
>>
>> Personal choice.
>
>
> -Michael
>
>
>

Hi, Michael:

Thanks for your latest impressions regarding WLM. Although I use
Thunderbird for both e-mail and newsgroups, and expect to continue doing
so since I'm perfectly happy with my own current setup, I would
nevertheless be interested in trying out WLM to see what I think of it.
Are there any complications involved in downloading and installing WLM
that I should be aware of? It doesn't, for instance, automatically take
over as the default e-mail client or newsreader, does it?

Daze

MICHAEL wrote:
> I've been a rather vocal critic of WLM and more so
> with Vista's Windows Mail. I still would not recommend
> WM, but WLM has made some definite improvements.
>
> Since I typically use Outlook for email, my biggest use
> for WLM is newsgroups. The overall performance has
> improved dramatically. Thank you. I've been using
> Thunderbird, but I may switch back to WLM.
>
> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
> make it smaller?
>
>
> -Michael

I have a second question regarding WLM. What do you think about the
following opinion of WLM quoted from another newsgroup?

"It's a trick to get you to use Microsoft's online services. Don't buy
into it. If you do, you're only furthering their goal of getting
everybody to use thin clients and to pay fees for online programs
instead of having them installed on your computer."



Daze N. Knights wrote:
> Hi, Michael:
>
> Thanks for your latest impressions regarding WLM. Although I use
> Thunderbird for both e-mail and newsgroups, and expect to continue doing
> so since I'm perfectly happy with my own current setup, I would
> nevertheless be interested in trying out WLM to see what I think of it.
> Are there any complications involved in downloading and installing WLM
> that I should be aware of? It doesn't, for instance, automatically take
> over as the default e-mail client or newsreader, does it?
>
> Daze
>
> MICHAEL wrote:
>> I've been a rather vocal critic of WLM and more so
>> with Vista's Windows Mail. I still would not recommend
>> WM, but WLM has made some definite improvements.
>>
>> Since I typically use Outlook for email, my biggest use
>> for WLM is newsgroups. The overall performance has
>> improved dramatically. Thank you. I've been using
>> Thunderbird, but I may switch back to WLM.
>>
>> Just one thing, for now, I sure do wish there was an easy
>> way to collapse the header bar like in Thunderbird... that's
>> a big chunk of screen space taken up that could be devoted
>> to the message I'm reading. Is there a way to get rid of it or
>> make it smaller?
>>
>>
>> -Michael