Hi.

After trying several Webpage editors I shure want to hear the opinion of
this group.
In your opinion, what's the best freeware WYSIWYG Webpage editor (besides
Frontpage:-)) ?

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"Plurkestein" <Plurk@estein> wrote in
news:3f491d2e$0$45391$(E-Mail Removed):

> Hi.
>
> After trying several Webpage editors I shure want to hear the opinion of
> this group.
> In your opinion, what's the best freeware WYSIWYG Webpage editor (besides
> Frontpage:-)) ?

Selida 2.1
<Quote>
If you have been searching for a truly useful HTML Editor, then your search
is over! Selida is one of the most advanced HTML editors on the planet.
Selida features a very effective WYSIWYG editor, Code Completion and a
complete HTML 4 reference. Selida was engineered to be complete and capable
- all with the decidedly best price on the planet - 00.00 ! That's correct.
Free. Selida does differ from many 'free' HTML Editors in that it is truly
full featured and easy to understand, while remaining powerful enough for
the advanced user. Selida users range from the beginner to the professional
</Quote>

http://www.amaryllis.8m.com/
5.574m Selida 2.1 + Service Pack 1 Zipped
Quirky, but I like it.

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dszady wrote:
> "Plurkestein" <Plurk@estein> wrote in
> news:3f491d2e$0$45391$(E-Mail Removed):
>
>
>>Hi.
>>
>>After trying several Webpage editors I shure want to hear the opinion of
>>this group.
>>In your opinion, what's the best freeware WYSIWYG Webpage editor (besides
>>Frontpage:-)) ?
>
>
> Selida 2.1
> <Quote>
> If you have been searching for a truly useful HTML Editor, then your search
> is over! Selida is one of the most advanced HTML editors on the planet.
> Selida features a very effective WYSIWYG editor, Code Completion and a
> complete HTML 4 reference. Selida was engineered to be complete and capable
> - all with the decidedly best price on the planet - 00.00 ! That's correct.
> Free. Selida does differ from many 'free' HTML Editors in that it is truly
> full featured and easy to understand, while remaining powerful enough for
> the advanced user. Selida users range from the beginner to the professional
> </Quote>
>
> http://www.amaryllis.8m.com/
> 5.574m Selida 2.1 + Service Pack 1 Zipped
> Quirky, but I like it.
>
Second that

Plurk von Stein asked:

>n your opinion, what's the best freeware WYSIWYG Webpage editor (besides
>Frontpage:-))

None! Don't use WYSIWYG Webpage editors, they generate bad code.
Learn some basic HTML and CSS instead. You have to learn that anyway
to correct the errors. You don't have to know all that much HTML and
CSS to produce good pages which validate correctly. When
unsurmountable problems arise ask in alt.html and someone will help
you out.
The often recommenden Selida can be both a WYSIWYG and an HTML
editor, but it's limited to small files; the code highlighting doesn't
work with files large than something like 20-25 Kb (iirc), making it a
useless piece of software imho. Now, it's perhaps not good practice to
have larger page files anyway but quite often there is no alternative
(e.g. large tables or lists). The best free HTML editor is probably
HTML-Kit, although it's perhaps not the easiest one for a newbie. Else
try Stone's Webwriter for page editing and use Top Style Lite for CSS.
Search the web and you'll find these programs. Also have a look here:

http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/

http://www.w3schools.com/


Nick

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:38:58 GMT, Don <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Nick Larsson <nossral-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>news:(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> Plurk von Stein asked:
>>
>>>n your opinion, what's the best freeware WYSIWYG Webpage editor (besides
>>>Frontpage:-))
>>
>> None! Don't use WYSIWYG Webpage editors, they generate bad code.
>> Learn some basic HTML and CSS instead. You have to learn that anyway
>> to correct the errors. You don't have to know all that much HTML and
>> CSS to produce good pages which validate correctly. When
>> unsurmountable problems arise ask in alt.html and someone will help
>> you out.
>> The often recommenden Selida can be both a WYSIWYG and an HTML
>> editor, but it's limited to small files; the code highlighting doesn't
>> work with files large than something like 20-25 Kb (iirc), making it a
>> useless piece of software imho. Now, it's perhaps not good practice to
>> have larger page files anyway but quite often there is no alternative
>> (e.g. large tables or lists). The best free HTML editor is probably
>> HTML-Kit, although it's perhaps not the easiest one for a newbie. Else
>> try Stone's Webwriter for page editing and use Top Style Lite for CSS.
>> Search the web and you'll find these programs. Also have a look here:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/
>>
>> http://www.w3schools.com/
>>
>>
>> Nick

Yep, I know basic HTML, but how do you know where to place pictures
etc?


Bye for now.

Clive.

I've done a lot of HTML editing over the years, mostly with HimeSite
(not freeware!). I have almost always been horrified by the code
generated by wysiwyg editors, until I tried to save an Open Office
document as an HTML file. The visual results were quite satisfactory,
and the code was clean. One can also start from scratch with the Open
Office web page editor. Open Office is freeware, and should most
definitely be considered.

Avraham

Avraham Hanadari <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:3f4ec8e4$(E-Mail Removed):

> I've done a lot of HTML editing over the years, mostly with
> HimeSite (not freeware!). I have almost always been horrified by
> the code generated by wysiwyg editors, until I tried to save an
> Open Office document as an HTML file. The visual results were
> quite satisfactory, and the code was clean. One can also start
> from scratch with the Open Office web page editor. Open Office is
> freeware, and should most definitely be considered.
>
Agreed. If one is going to use wysiwyg, this would be the one.

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"Zero is where the fun starts
There is too much counting everywhere else."
- Hafiz

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:15:34 GMT, Tiger <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Avraham Hanadari <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>news:3f4ec8e4$(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> I've done a lot of HTML editing over the years, mostly with
>> HimeSite (not freeware!). I have almost always been horrified by
>> the code generated by wysiwyg editors, until I tried to save an
>> Open Office document as an HTML file. The visual results were
>> quite satisfactory, and the code was clean. One can also start
>> from scratch with the Open Office web page editor. Open Office is
>> freeware, and should most definitely be considered.
>>
>Agreed. If one is going to use wysiwyg, this would be the one.

You've got to be kidding. Talk about excess crap code being generated.
I took a nice, clean, self-written HTML file and pulled it into OO to
make one some small text (not tag) changes in the contents of a table
that would be easier in wysiwyg. The coded result, which had nothing
to do with the change, were incredible. M$ was cleaner.

Mark Kolber
Denver, Colorado
=======================
email? Remove ".no.spam"

Mark Kolber <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 04:15:34 GMT, Tiger <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Avraham Hanadari <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>news:3f4ec8e4$(E-Mail Removed):
>>
>>> I've done a lot of HTML editing over the years, mostly with
>>> HimeSite (not freeware!). I have almost always been horrified by
>>> the code generated by wysiwyg editors, until I tried to save an
>>> Open Office document as an HTML file. The visual results were
>>> quite satisfactory, and the code was clean. One can also start
>>> from scratch with the Open Office web page editor. Open Office
>>> is freeware, and should most definitely be considered.
>>>
>>Agreed. If one is going to use wysiwyg, this would be the one.
>
> You've got to be kidding. Talk about excess crap code being
> generated. I took a nice, clean, self-written HTML file and pulled
> it into OO to make one some small text (not tag) changes in the
> contents of a table that would be easier in wysiwyg. The coded
> result, which had nothing to do with the change, were incredible.
> M$ was cleaner.
>
OO doesn't produce clean code. It just produces the cleanest wysiwyg
code of all the others I've tried...which include every freeware
alternative and a few not-so-freeware alternatives.

I've said plenty of times that the *only* way to get clean code is to
do it by hand...provided you learn how to do it right.

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Tiger

"Zero is where the fun starts
There is too much counting everywhere else."
- Hafiz