Hi,

I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)

Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....

I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net


Please, NO FLAMES; just logic


Thank you in advance!

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
> but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
> to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)
>
Its not "cooler" just green, and I prefer green over blue

> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
> language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
> come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
Honestly I think that both would suit your simple requirements just fine
so it comes down to a preference of which syntax you prefer.

VB.Net is possibly "simpler" for a novice as it gives you quite a bit of
help with filling out constructs such as if/where/for/properties etc..
and gives you design time syntax checking with background compile.

Personally I prefer c# but thats just me.

JB

>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
>
> Thank you in advance!

Do both.

Learn the framework and learn both languages. Then become polished in
whichever the first project is on - that is what you will get most practise
with anyway.

- Sahil Malik [MVP]
Upcoming ADO.NET 2.0 book - http://tinyurl.com/9bync
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<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
> but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
> to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)
>
> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
> language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
> come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
>
> Thank you in advance!

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:zZ0we.9723$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi,
>
> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition,

Then MS/Access form for client and or MS/FrontPage for web applications
would best fit your need. Now a day, MS/Office Pro also gives you a so
called InfoPath 2003 that is similar to Access Form but work with .Net and
XML and SQL/Server backend RDBMS.

c# is for true "serious" people who want to become "the developer". c# may
frustrate you more !

In short, you must love it both in good and bad times in order to understand
its potential !

> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client

MS/Access, FrontPage, InfoPath 2003, VB, Java Script can do these tricks as
well and cheap and 1,000 times easiers than .Net languages.

> to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....

This is a very tough bone for a novice programmer to chew!

>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission.

If you still insist on .Net languages, then c# is in both ISO and ECMA
organizations while VB is very Microsoft. Lets imagine that tomorrow, CUS is
nuked and you have to sail to Italy, without c#, them EU bosses don't know
what VB mean, this can mean Very Bad for you. So c# will come to rescue you
and your family in the darkest hours !!! VERY TRUE !!!

> but everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
That's called smart programming !

>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
Same here!

>
> Thank you in advance!

Good luck to you, Novice!

John Webb

"WJ" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:zZ0we.9723$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>> but everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>>

Correction needed: In .Net, c-sharp is written as c#, not C#. C# is a
musical symbol, it denotes Do Major (in Italian), in English, it is a C
Major !
Now, this case-sensitive thing alone will drive a novice crazy!

JWebb

"WJ" <(E-Mail Removed)> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> If you still insist on .Net languages, then c# is in both ISO and ECMA
> organizations while VB is very Microsoft. Lets imagine that tomorrow,
> CUS is nuked and you have to sail to Italy, without c#, them EU bosses
> don't know what VB mean, this can mean Very Bad for you. So c#
> will come to rescue you and your family in the darkest hours !!!
> VERY TRUE !!!

I don't know why you named Italy, but I'd *love* the situation to be as you
described; actually, there are lots of VB programmers here, and they're
often very bad ones who tought "hey, with VB I can make programs without
knowing anything at all about programming!".
Now, they got quite frustrated by this .NET thing, and tought again "sure
VB.NET is going to be a lot simpler than that C#, and I also already know
VB, so using it will be even simpler!".
And then, they got *even more* frustrated when they discovered that VB.NET
isn't actually *so* similar to VB 6 as they were expecting, and then
reverted back to VB 6. And their companies went with them, instead of firing
them at once.

This is definitely one of the strangest places to work in IT :-/


Massimo

> c# is for true "serious" people who want to become "the developer". c# may
> frustrate you more !

I'm a humurous people, I am a developer, and I am not frustrated - but I
know C#.

- Sahil Malik [MVP]
Upcoming ADO.NET 2.0 book - http://tinyurl.com/9bync
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"WJ" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:zZ0we.9723$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
>> no plans to make programming my life ambition,
>
> Then MS/Access form for client and or MS/FrontPage for web applications
> would best fit your need. Now a day, MS/Office Pro also gives you a so
> called InfoPath 2003 that is similar to Access Form but work with .Net and
> XML and SQL/Server backend RDBMS.
>
> c# is for true "serious" people who want to become "the developer". c# may
> frustrate you more !
>
> In short, you must love it both in good and bad times in order to
> understand its potential !
>
>> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
>> simplistic client
>
> MS/Access, FrontPage, InfoPath 2003, VB, Java Script can do these tricks
> as well and cheap and 1,000 times easiers than .Net languages.
>
>> to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
>> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
>> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> This is a very tough bone for a novice programmer to chew!
>
>>
>> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
>> mission.
>
> If you still insist on .Net languages, then c# is in both ISO and ECMA
> organizations while VB is very Microsoft. Lets imagine that tomorrow, CUS
> is nuked and you have to sail to Italy, without c#, them EU bosses don't
> know what VB mean, this can mean Very Bad for you. So c# will come to
> rescue you and your family in the darkest hours !!! VERY TRUE !!!
>
>> but everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>>
> That's called smart programming !
>
>>
>> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>>
> Same here!
>
>>
>> Thank you in advance!
>
> Good luck to you, Novice!
>
> John Webb
>
>

"Massimo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I don't know why you named Italy,

I love Italy ! On top of that, I am a Roman Catholic . Though I never
realized that there are that many VBs overthere until you said so! So
ignorance I am !

John

> but everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net

this means nothing, think about it

stax