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sholson@innerasiarugs.com
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On Nov 27, 10:24 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Well we finally have taken the next step and have gotten BCM 2007. We used > the Database Admin tool to create the database on the server, and have shared > it so users can access. Domain users seem to be connecting OK. > Unfortunately, I am having problems connecting to the remote server over a > VPN connection. I can establish a VPN connection with no problem, but can > not connect to the BCM database. I once saw in the discussions that there > might some issues with Windows login usernames and passwords matching server > usernames and passwords, but I'm not sure if that is the problem or not. Our > remote non-domain users typically have Windows login usernames such as "John > Doe", but have server usernames and email ids such as "jdoe". We were > getting error messages, that said Cannot find the remote user account name > John Doe. So we created additional usernames on the server matching the > Windows login names such as "John Doe", Which now gives us a different error > message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote > computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. > We have tried redoing all of that, but we still don't get access to the > remote BCM database. Our network guy is stymied and we are looking for any > asstance you could provide. Thanks in advance. 'm not expert, but I followed this guide: http://blogs.msdn.com/sql_protocols/...30/778521.aspx and also this: http://blogs.msdn.com/bcm/archive/20...re-a-business-... I have been able to successfully connect remotely through vpn to the shared db in my office. In order to do all this, I had many questions to our tech support company.Goodluck Scott H |
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"(E-Mail Removed)" wrote: > On Nov 27, 10:24 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > Well we finally have taken the next step and have gotten BCM 2007. We used > > the Database Admin tool to create the database on the server, and have shared > > it so users can access. Domain users seem to be connecting OK. > > Unfortunately, I am having problems connecting to the remote server over a > > VPN connection. I can establish a VPN connection with no problem, but can > > not connect to the BCM database. I once saw in the discussions that there > > might some issues with Windows login usernames and passwords matching server > > usernames and passwords, but I'm not sure if that is the problem or not. Our > > remote non-domain users typically have Windows login usernames such as "John > > Doe", but have server usernames and email ids such as "jdoe". We were > > getting error messages, that said Cannot find the remote user account name > > John Doe. So we created additional usernames on the server matching the > > Windows login names such as "John Doe", Which now gives us a different error > > message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote > > computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. > > We have tried redoing all of that, but we still don't get access to the > > remote BCM database. Our network guy is stymied and we are looking for any > > asstance you could provide. Thanks in advance. > > 'm not expert, but I followed this guide: > http://blogs.msdn.com/sql_protocols/...30/778521.aspx > and also this: > http://blogs.msdn.com/bcm/archive/20...re-a-business-... > I have been able to successfully connect remotely through vpn to the > shared db in my office. In order to do all this, I had many questions > to our tech support company.Goodluck > Scott H > Thanks for your feedback. I think that my connectivity issues to our remote BCM database are similar or tied in with the issues raised by a couple of others previously listed here. We have remote users using there home computers to access our SBS 2003 R2 server via VPN. They have no problems accessing their email hosted on the Exchange Server nor do they have problems accessing shared directories, SharePoint services, or other things on the server. The only thing that they can not access or connect to is the remote BCM 2007 database. None of the remote users have have domains established, and are all on separate workgroups, usually the default MSHOME workgroup. All remote users have Windows XP Pro SP2. Most of our remote users have Windows login names of their first & last names (John Doe), and not the same as their server username which is usually first name initial & last name (jdoe). We even created usernames on the server to match their Windows login full names (John Doe), but they still can not connect to the BCM database, but can connect via VPN with the new full name username. On the remote BCM database, we have authorized both types of user names access to the database (jdoe & John Doe). When they attempt to connect to the remote BCM 2007 database, they get a lengthy error message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. We know that the passwords are correct, because we have changed those and have to enter the newly changed password to get the VPN connection to work. Somewhere along the way, SQL Server is not authenticating. The only exception to all of this is that we have one remote user who has his Windows login the same as his server login, that is to say jdoe. He can access everything, including the BCM 2007 database with no problems! I should point out that all users can ping the server, and all users can issue a sqlcmd -S server\instance command with no problems from the cmd prompt. Someone previously asked about SQL server authentications, but I haven't seen a response to that question as of yet. What is the authentication process between the remote BCM 2007 database and the BCM client? It appears that there is some sort of Windows login authentication which is contrary to all of the other authentications that the server uses and allows for VPN users. How does the Windows login name come into play? Do we have to force all of our users to establish new logins on their computers to match their server name, and then subsequently have to move all of their documents, etc. to the new account? Please HELP!!!! |
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On Nov 29, 8:18 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> "shol...@innerasiarugs.com" wrote: > > On Nov 27, 10:24 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > Well we finally have taken the next step and have gotten BCM 2007. We used > > > the Database Admin tool to create the database on the server, and have shared > > > it so users can access. Domain users seem to be connecting OK. > > > Unfortunately, I am having problems connecting to the remote server over a > > > VPN connection. I can establish a VPN connection with no problem, but can > > > not connect to the BCM database. I once saw in the discussions that there > > > might some issues with Windows login usernames and passwords matching server > > > usernames and passwords, but I'm not sure if that is the problem or not. Our > > > remote non-domain users typically have Windows login usernames such as "John > > > Doe", but have server usernames and email ids such as "jdoe". We were > > > getting error messages, that said Cannot find the remote user account name > > > John Doe. So we created additional usernames on the server matching the > > > Windows login names such as "John Doe", Which now gives us a different error > > > message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote > > > computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. > > > We have tried redoing all of that, but we still don't get access to the > > > remote BCM database. Our network guy is stymied and we are looking for any > > > asstance you could provide. Thanks in advance. > > > 'm not expert, but I followed this guide: > >http://blogs.msdn.com/sql_protocols/...30/778521.aspx > > and also this: > >http://blogs.msdn.com/bcm/archive/20...re-a-business-... > > I have been able to successfully connect remotely through vpn to the > > shared db in my office. In order to do all this, I had many questions > > to our tech support company.Goodluck > > Scott H > > Thanks for your feedback. I think that my connectivity issues to our remote > BCM database are similar or tied in with the issues raised by a couple of > others previously listed here. We have remote users using there home > computers to access our SBS 2003 R2 server via VPN. They have no problems > accessing their email hosted on the Exchange Server nor do they have problems > accessing shared directories, SharePoint services, or other things on the > server. The only thing that they can not access or connect to is the remote > BCM 2007 database. None of the remote users have have domains established, > and are all on separate workgroups, usually the default MSHOME workgroup. > All remote users have Windows XP Pro SP2. Most of our remote users have > Windows login names of their first & last names (John Doe), and not the same > as their server username which is usually first name initial & last name > (jdoe). We even created usernames on the server to match their Windows login > full names (John Doe), but they still can not connect to the BCM database, > but can connect via VPN with the new full name username. On the remote BCM > database, we have authorized both types of user names access to the database > (jdoe & John Doe). When they attempt to connect to the remote BCM 2007 > database, they get a lengthy error message saying that either John Doe has > not been granted access to the remote computer or that the password on the > server does not match the Windows login. We know that the passwords are > correct, because we have changed those and have to enter the newly changed > password to get the VPN connection to work. Somewhere along the way, SQL > Server is not authenticating. The only exception to all of this is that we > have one remote user who has his Windows login the same as his server login, > that is to say jdoe. He can access everything, including the BCM 2007 > database with no problems! I should point out that all users can ping the > server, and all users can issue a sqlcmd -S server\instance command with no > problems from the cmd prompt. Someone previously asked about SQL server > authentications, but I haven't seen a response to that question as of yet. > What is the authentication process between the remote BCM 2007 database and > the BCM client? It appears that there is some sort of Windows login > authentication which is contrary to all of the other authentications that the > server uses and allows for VPN users. How does the Windows login name come > into play? Do we have to force all of our users to establish new logins on > their computers to match their server name, and then subsequently have to > move all of their documents, etc. to the new account? Please HELP!!!!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - BCM doesn't do any authentication of its own, it defers that to Windows and Sql Server. In workgroup networks, without a domain server to authenticate users, a user must have the same login and password to be considered the same user--on both client they are logged on to with their desktop session and at the other machine they are trying to access (for printers, folder shares, or BCM databases). If the users can connect to the server with sqlcmd, the next question is: can they connect to the BCM database with sqlcmd? |
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"Luther" wrote: > On Nov 29, 8:18 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > "shol...@innerasiarugs.com" wrote: > > > On Nov 27, 10:24 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > Well we finally have taken the next step and have gotten BCM 2007. We used > > > > the Database Admin tool to create the database on the server, and have shared > > > > it so users can access. Domain users seem to be connecting OK. > > > > Unfortunately, I am having problems connecting to the remote server over a > > > > VPN connection. I can establish a VPN connection with no problem, but can > > > > not connect to the BCM database. I once saw in the discussions that there > > > > might some issues with Windows login usernames and passwords matching server > > > > usernames and passwords, but I'm not sure if that is the problem or not. Our > > > > remote non-domain users typically have Windows login usernames such as "John > > > > Doe", but have server usernames and email ids such as "jdoe". We were > > > > getting error messages, that said Cannot find the remote user account name > > > > John Doe. So we created additional usernames on the server matching the > > > > Windows login names such as "John Doe", Which now gives us a different error > > > > message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote > > > > computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. > > > > We have tried redoing all of that, but we still don't get access to the > > > > remote BCM database. Our network guy is stymied and we are looking for any > > > > asstance you could provide. Thanks in advance. > > > > > 'm not expert, but I followed this guide: > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/sql_protocols/...30/778521.aspx > > > and also this: > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/bcm/archive/20...re-a-business-... > > > I have been able to successfully connect remotely through vpn to the > > > shared db in my office. In order to do all this, I had many questions > > > to our tech support company.Goodluck > > > Scott H > > > > Thanks for your feedback. I think that my connectivity issues to our remote > > BCM database are similar or tied in with the issues raised by a couple of > > others previously listed here. We have remote users using there home > > computers to access our SBS 2003 R2 server via VPN. They have no problems > > accessing their email hosted on the Exchange Server nor do they have problems > > accessing shared directories, SharePoint services, or other things on the > > server. The only thing that they can not access or connect to is the remote > > BCM 2007 database. None of the remote users have have domains established, > > and are all on separate workgroups, usually the default MSHOME workgroup. > > All remote users have Windows XP Pro SP2. Most of our remote users have > > Windows login names of their first & last names (John Doe), and not the same > > as their server username which is usually first name initial & last name > > (jdoe). We even created usernames on the server to match their Windows login > > full names (John Doe), but they still can not connect to the BCM database, > > but can connect via VPN with the new full name username. On the remote BCM > > database, we have authorized both types of user names access to the database > > (jdoe & John Doe). When they attempt to connect to the remote BCM 2007 > > database, they get a lengthy error message saying that either John Doe has > > not been granted access to the remote computer or that the password on the > > server does not match the Windows login. We know that the passwords are > > correct, because we have changed those and have to enter the newly changed > > password to get the VPN connection to work. Somewhere along the way, SQL > > Server is not authenticating. The only exception to all of this is that we > > have one remote user who has his Windows login the same as his server login, > > that is to say jdoe. He can access everything, including the BCM 2007 > > database with no problems! I should point out that all users can ping the > > server, and all users can issue a sqlcmd -S server\instance command with no > > problems from the cmd prompt. Someone previously asked about SQL server > > authentications, but I haven't seen a response to that question as of yet. > > What is the authentication process between the remote BCM 2007 database and > > the BCM client? It appears that there is some sort of Windows login > > authentication which is contrary to all of the other authentications that the > > server uses and allows for VPN users. How does the Windows login name come > > into play? Do we have to force all of our users to establish new logins on > > their computers to match their server name, and then subsequently have to > > move all of their documents, etc. to the new account? Please HELP!!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > BCM doesn't do any authentication of its own, it defers that to > Windows and Sql Server. > > In workgroup networks, without a domain server to authenticate users, > a user must have the same login and password to be considered the same > user--on both client they are logged on to with their desktop session > and at the other machine they are trying to access (for printers, > folder shares, or BCM databases). > > If the users can connect to the server with sqlcmd, the next question > is: can they connect to the BCM database with sqlcmd? > Thanks for your quick reply. Yes, all users can issue a sqlcmd -S servername\mssmlbiz command and not recieive any errors as long as they have a VPN connection established. However, if they try to connect to the remote database with BCM, they get the error message that I previously posted. I thought that the VPN connection would allow for all authentications, including SQL. Like I said, once each user has established a VPN connection, they can access all other areas on the server, including Exchange, SharePoint services, etc. What is unique about SQL? |
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"turk54" wrote: > > > "Luther" wrote: > > > On Nov 29, 8:18 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > "shol...@innerasiarugs.com" wrote: > > > > On Nov 27, 10:24 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > Well we finally have taken the next step and have gotten BCM 2007. We used > > > > > the Database Admin tool to create the database on the server, and have shared > > > > > it so users can access. Domain users seem to be connecting OK. > > > > > Unfortunately, I am having problems connecting to the remote server over a > > > > > VPN connection. I can establish a VPN connection with no problem, but can > > > > > not connect to the BCM database. I once saw in the discussions that there > > > > > might some issues with Windows login usernames and passwords matching server > > > > > usernames and passwords, but I'm not sure if that is the problem or not. Our > > > > > remote non-domain users typically have Windows login usernames such as "John > > > > > Doe", but have server usernames and email ids such as "jdoe". We were > > > > > getting error messages, that said Cannot find the remote user account name > > > > > John Doe. So we created additional usernames on the server matching the > > > > > Windows login names such as "John Doe", Which now gives us a different error > > > > > message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote > > > > > computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. > > > > > We have tried redoing all of that, but we still don't get access to the > > > > > remote BCM database. Our network guy is stymied and we are looking for any > > > > > asstance you could provide. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > 'm not expert, but I followed this guide: > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/sql_protocols/...30/778521.aspx > > > > and also this: > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/bcm/archive/20...re-a-business-... > > > > I have been able to successfully connect remotely through vpn to the > > > > shared db in my office. In order to do all this, I had many questions > > > > to our tech support company.Goodluck > > > > Scott H > > > > > > Thanks for your feedback. I think that my connectivity issues to our remote > > > BCM database are similar or tied in with the issues raised by a couple of > > > others previously listed here. We have remote users using there home > > > computers to access our SBS 2003 R2 server via VPN. They have no problems > > > accessing their email hosted on the Exchange Server nor do they have problems > > > accessing shared directories, SharePoint services, or other things on the > > > server. The only thing that they can not access or connect to is the remote > > > BCM 2007 database. None of the remote users have have domains established, > > > and are all on separate workgroups, usually the default MSHOME workgroup. > > > All remote users have Windows XP Pro SP2. Most of our remote users have > > > Windows login names of their first & last names (John Doe), and not the same > > > as their server username which is usually first name initial & last name > > > (jdoe). We even created usernames on the server to match their Windows login > > > full names (John Doe), but they still can not connect to the BCM database, > > > but can connect via VPN with the new full name username. On the remote BCM > > > database, we have authorized both types of user names access to the database > > > (jdoe & John Doe). When they attempt to connect to the remote BCM 2007 > > > database, they get a lengthy error message saying that either John Doe has > > > not been granted access to the remote computer or that the password on the > > > server does not match the Windows login. We know that the passwords are > > > correct, because we have changed those and have to enter the newly changed > > > password to get the VPN connection to work. Somewhere along the way, SQL > > > Server is not authenticating. The only exception to all of this is that we > > > have one remote user who has his Windows login the same as his server login, > > > that is to say jdoe. He can access everything, including the BCM 2007 > > > database with no problems! I should point out that all users can ping the > > > server, and all users can issue a sqlcmd -S server\instance command with no > > > problems from the cmd prompt. Someone previously asked about SQL server > > > authentications, but I haven't seen a response to that question as of yet. > > > What is the authentication process between the remote BCM 2007 database and > > > the BCM client? It appears that there is some sort of Windows login > > > authentication which is contrary to all of the other authentications that the > > > server uses and allows for VPN users. How does the Windows login name come > > > into play? Do we have to force all of our users to establish new logins on > > > their computers to match their server name, and then subsequently have to > > > move all of their documents, etc. to the new account? Please HELP!!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > BCM doesn't do any authentication of its own, it defers that to > > Windows and Sql Server. > > > > In workgroup networks, without a domain server to authenticate users, > > a user must have the same login and password to be considered the same > > user--on both client they are logged on to with their desktop session > > and at the other machine they are trying to access (for printers, > > folder shares, or BCM databases). > > > > If the users can connect to the server with sqlcmd, the next question > > is: can they connect to the BCM database with sqlcmd? > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. Yes, all users can issue a sqlcmd -S > servername\mssmlbiz command and not recieive any errors as long as they have > a VPN connection established. However, if they try to connect to the remote > database with BCM, they get the error message that I previously posted. I > thought that the VPN connection would allow for all authentications, > including SQL. Like I said, once each user has established a VPN connection, > they can access all other areas on the server, including Exchange, SharePoint > services, etc. What is unique about SQL? Just another quick note. I found this in some documentation about how to access BCM 2007 databse with Access 2007, and it says: Depending upon whether you are on a domain or workgroup, select one of the following authentication methods, and then click Next. Windows - Select this method if your computer is a member of a domain. SQL authentication - Select this option if your computer is a member of a workgroup. Is there something on the SQL Server side to allow different authentications that we need to set up or to for SQL authentication? > |
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On Nov 29, 9:01 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> "turk54" wrote: > > > "Luther" wrote: > > > > On Nov 29, 8:18 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > "shol...@innerasiarugs.com" wrote: > > > > > On Nov 27, 10:24 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > Well we finally have taken the next step and have gotten BCM 2007. We used > > > > > > the Database Admin tool to create the database on the server, and have shared > > > > > > it so users can access. Domain users seem to be connecting OK. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am having problems connecting to the remote server over a > > > > > > VPN connection. I can establish a VPN connection with no problem, but can > > > > > > not connect to the BCM database. I once saw in the discussions that there > > > > > > might some issues with Windows login usernames and passwords matching server > > > > > > usernames and passwords, but I'm not sure if that is the problem or not. Our > > > > > > remote non-domain users typically have Windows login usernames such as "John > > > > > > Doe", but have server usernames and email ids such as "jdoe". We were > > > > > > getting error messages, that said Cannot find the remote user account name > > > > > > John Doe. So we created additional usernames on the server matching the > > > > > > Windows login names such as "John Doe", Which now gives us a different error > > > > > > message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote > > > > > > computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. > > > > > > We have tried redoing all of that, but we still don't get access to the > > > > > > remote BCM database. Our network guy is stymied and we are looking for any > > > > > > asstance you could provide. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > 'm not expert, but I followed this guide: > > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/sql_protocols/...30/778521.aspx > > > > > and also this: > > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/bcm/archive/20...re-a-business-... > > > > > I have been able to successfully connect remotely through vpn to the > > > > > shared db in my office. In order to do all this, I had many questions > > > > > to our tech support company.Goodluck > > > > > Scott H > > > > > Thanks for your feedback. I think that my connectivity issues to our remote > > > > BCM database are similar or tied in with the issues raised by a couple of > > > > others previously listed here. We have remote users using there home > > > > computers to access our SBS 2003 R2 server via VPN. They have no problems > > > > accessing their email hosted on the Exchange Server nor do they have problems > > > > accessing shared directories, SharePoint services, or other things on the > > > > server. The only thing that they can not access or connect to is the remote > > > > BCM 2007 database. None of the remote users have have domains established, > > > > and are all on separate workgroups, usually the default MSHOME workgroup. > > > > All remote users have Windows XP Pro SP2. Most of our remote users have > > > > Windows login names of their first & last names (John Doe), and not the same > > > > as their server username which is usually first name initial & last name > > > > (jdoe). We even created usernames on the server to match their Windows login > > > > full names (John Doe), but they still can not connect to the BCM database, > > > > but can connect via VPN with the new full name username. On the remote BCM > > > > database, we have authorized both types of user names access to the database > > > > (jdoe & John Doe). When they attempt to connect to the remote BCM 2007 > > > > database, they get a lengthy error message saying that either John Doe has > > > > not been granted access to the remote computer or that the password on the > > > > server does not match the Windows login. We know that the passwords are > > > > correct, because we have changed those and have to enter the newly changed > > > > password to get the VPN connection to work. Somewhere along the way, SQL > > > > Server is not authenticating. The only exception to all of this is that we > > > > have one remote user who has his Windows login the same as his server login, > > > > that is to say jdoe. He can access everything, including the BCM 2007 > > > > database with no problems! I should point out that all users can ping the > > > > server, and all users can issue a sqlcmd -S server\instance command with no > > > > problems from the cmd prompt. Someone previously asked about SQL server > > > > authentications, but I haven't seen a response to that question as of yet. > > > > What is the authentication process between the remote BCM 2007 database and > > > > the BCM client? It appears that there is some sort of Windows login > > > > authentication which is contrary to all of the other authentications that the > > > > server uses and allows for VPN users. How does the Windows login name come > > > > into play? Do we have to force all of our users to establish new logins on > > > > their computers to match their server name, and then subsequently have to > > > > move all of their documents, etc. to the new account? Please HELP!!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > BCM doesn't do any authentication of its own, it defers that to > > > Windows and Sql Server. > > > > In workgroup networks, without a domain server to authenticate users, > > > a user must have the same login and password to be considered the same > > > user--on both client they are logged on to with their desktop session > > > and at the other machine they are trying to access (for printers, > > > folder shares, or BCM databases). > > > > If the users can connect to the server with sqlcmd, the next question > > > is: can they connect to the BCM database with sqlcmd? > > > Thanks for your quick reply. Yes, all users can issue a sqlcmd -S > > servername\mssmlbiz command and not recieive any errors as long as they have > > a VPN connection established. However, if they try to connect to the remote > > database with BCM, they get the error message that I previously posted. I > > thought that the VPN connection would allow for all authentications, > > including SQL. Like I said, once each user has established a VPN connection, > > they can access all other areas on the server, including Exchange, SharePoint > > services, etc. What is unique about SQL? > > Just another quick note. I found this in some documentation about how to > access BCM 2007 databse with Access 2007, and it says: > > Depending upon whether you are on a domain or workgroup, select one of the > following authentication methods, and then click Next. > Windows - Select this method if your computer is a member of a domain. > SQL authentication - Select this option if your computer is a member of a > workgroup. > > Is there something on the SQL Server side to allow different authentications > that we need to set up or to for SQL authentication? > > > > - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Where did you find this document? BCM always uses Windows authentication, both in domains and workgroups. Sql auth is a historical artifact, considered inherently unsafe (passwords sent over the wire), and may disapeer in a future release of Sql. BCM has only used Windows auth for db connections, since BCM v1. I guess I wasn't clear in my previous email. The questions with sqlcmd is not "can the user access the server (mssmlbiz)", although that is useful to know, but can they access their database with sqlcmd. BCM connects directly to the database, and permissions for connecting to the server and the BCM database are different. |
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"Luther" wrote: > On Nov 29, 9:01 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > "turk54" wrote: > > > > > "Luther" wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 29, 8:18 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > "shol...@innerasiarugs.com" wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 27, 10:24 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Well we finally have taken the next step and have gotten BCM 2007. We used > > > > > > > the Database Admin tool to create the database on the server, and have shared > > > > > > > it so users can access. Domain users seem to be connecting OK. > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am having problems connecting to the remote server over a > > > > > > > VPN connection. I can establish a VPN connection with no problem, but can > > > > > > > not connect to the BCM database. I once saw in the discussions that there > > > > > > > might some issues with Windows login usernames and passwords matching server > > > > > > > usernames and passwords, but I'm not sure if that is the problem or not. Our > > > > > > > remote non-domain users typically have Windows login usernames such as "John > > > > > > > Doe", but have server usernames and email ids such as "jdoe". We were > > > > > > > getting error messages, that said Cannot find the remote user account name > > > > > > > John Doe. So we created additional usernames on the server matching the > > > > > > > Windows login names such as "John Doe", Which now gives us a different error > > > > > > > message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote > > > > > > > computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. > > > > > > > We have tried redoing all of that, but we still don't get access to the > > > > > > > remote BCM database. Our network guy is stymied and we are looking for any > > > > > > > asstance you could provide. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > 'm not expert, but I followed this guide: > > > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/sql_protocols/...30/778521.aspx > > > > > > and also this: > > > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/bcm/archive/20...re-a-business-... > > > > > > I have been able to successfully connect remotely through vpn to the > > > > > > shared db in my office. In order to do all this, I had many questions > > > > > > to our tech support company.Goodluck > > > > > > Scott H > > > > > > > Thanks for your feedback. I think that my connectivity issues to our remote > > > > > BCM database are similar or tied in with the issues raised by a couple of > > > > > others previously listed here. We have remote users using there home > > > > > computers to access our SBS 2003 R2 server via VPN. They have no problems > > > > > accessing their email hosted on the Exchange Server nor do they have problems > > > > > accessing shared directories, SharePoint services, or other things on the > > > > > server. The only thing that they can not access or connect to is the remote > > > > > BCM 2007 database. None of the remote users have have domains established, > > > > > and are all on separate workgroups, usually the default MSHOME workgroup. > > > > > All remote users have Windows XP Pro SP2. Most of our remote users have > > > > > Windows login names of their first & last names (John Doe), and not the same > > > > > as their server username which is usually first name initial & last name > > > > > (jdoe). We even created usernames on the server to match their Windows login > > > > > full names (John Doe), but they still can not connect to the BCM database, > > > > > but can connect via VPN with the new full name username. On the remote BCM > > > > > database, we have authorized both types of user names access to the database > > > > > (jdoe & John Doe). When they attempt to connect to the remote BCM 2007 > > > > > database, they get a lengthy error message saying that either John Doe has > > > > > not been granted access to the remote computer or that the password on the > > > > > server does not match the Windows login. We know that the passwords are > > > > > correct, because we have changed those and have to enter the newly changed > > > > > password to get the VPN connection to work. Somewhere along the way, SQL > > > > > Server is not authenticating. The only exception to all of this is that we > > > > > have one remote user who has his Windows login the same as his server login, > > > > > that is to say jdoe. He can access everything, including the BCM 2007 > > > > > database with no problems! I should point out that all users can ping the > > > > > server, and all users can issue a sqlcmd -S server\instance command with no > > > > > problems from the cmd prompt. Someone previously asked about SQL server > > > > > authentications, but I haven't seen a response to that question as of yet. > > > > > What is the authentication process between the remote BCM 2007 database and > > > > > the BCM client? It appears that there is some sort of Windows login > > > > > authentication which is contrary to all of the other authentications that the > > > > > server uses and allows for VPN users. How does the Windows login name come > > > > > into play? Do we have to force all of our users to establish new logins on > > > > > their computers to match their server name, and then subsequently have to > > > > > move all of their documents, etc. to the new account? Please HELP!!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > BCM doesn't do any authentication of its own, it defers that to > > > > Windows and Sql Server. > > > > > > In workgroup networks, without a domain server to authenticate users, > > > > a user must have the same login and password to be considered the same > > > > user--on both client they are logged on to with their desktop session > > > > and at the other machine they are trying to access (for printers, > > > > folder shares, or BCM databases). > > > > > > If the users can connect to the server with sqlcmd, the next question > > > > is: can they connect to the BCM database with sqlcmd? > > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. Yes, all users can issue a sqlcmd -S > > > servername\mssmlbiz command and not recieive any errors as long as they have > > > a VPN connection established. However, if they try to connect to the remote > > > database with BCM, they get the error message that I previously posted. I > > > thought that the VPN connection would allow for all authentications, > > > including SQL. Like I said, once each user has established a VPN connection, > > > they can access all other areas on the server, including Exchange, SharePoint > > > services, etc. What is unique about SQL? > > > > Just another quick note. I found this in some documentation about how to > > access BCM 2007 databse with Access 2007, and it says: > > > > Depending upon whether you are on a domain or workgroup, select one of the > > following authentication methods, and then click Next. > > Windows - Select this method if your computer is a member of a domain. > > SQL authentication - Select this option if your computer is a member of a > > workgroup. > > > > Is there something on the SQL Server side to allow different authentications > > that we need to set up or to for SQL authentication? > > > > > > > > - Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Where did you find this document? > > BCM always uses Windows authentication, both in domains and > workgroups. Sql auth is a historical artifact, considered inherently > unsafe (passwords sent over the wire), and may disapeer in a future > release of Sql. BCM has only used Windows auth for db connections, > since BCM v1. > > I guess I wasn't clear in my previous email. The questions with sqlcmd > is not "can the user access the server (mssmlbiz)", although that is > useful to know, but can they access their database with sqlcmd. BCM > connects directly to the database, and permissions for connecting to > the server and the BCM database are different. > Luther, Thanks once again for your reply. The document I quoted from is: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb267994.aspx which I found while trolling around for any inkling of what is going on with our connectivity issue. To address your last question, can the user's access the database, I have tried the following: sqlcmd -S servername\mssmlbiz -d recruiting to access the recruiting database and we get no errors on the cmd prompt. However, I can not access via BCM. In BCM, I go to the Database Tools, and select Create or Select Databse, and from there check the radio button for select existing databse and enter the servername. At that point (after about a 5 sec. wait) I get the error I described previously. It never connects to show me the option of which database to select, so I never get any further. Again, this is with the Windows logon of John Doe. With the Windows logon of jdoe it works just fine. |
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On Nov 30, 10:10 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> "Luther" wrote: > > On Nov 29, 9:01 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > "turk54" wrote: > > > > > "Luther" wrote: > > > > > > On Nov 29, 8:18 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > "shol...@innerasiarugs.com" wrote: > > > > > > > On Nov 27, 10:24 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well we finally have taken the next step and have gotten BCM 2007. We used > > > > > > > > the Database Admin tool to create the database on the server, and have shared > > > > > > > > it so users can access. Domain users seem to be connecting OK. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am having problems connecting to the remote server over a > > > > > > > > VPN connection. I can establish a VPN connection with no problem, but can > > > > > > > > not connect to the BCM database. I once saw in the discussions that there > > > > > > > > might some issues with Windows login usernames and passwords matching server > > > > > > > > usernames and passwords, but I'm not sure if that is the problem or not. Our > > > > > > > > remote non-domain users typically have Windows login usernames such as "John > > > > > > > > Doe", but have server usernames and email ids such as "jdoe". We were > > > > > > > > getting error messages, that said Cannot find the remote user account name > > > > > > > > John Doe. So we created additional usernames on the server matching the > > > > > > > > Windows login names such as "John Doe", Which now gives us a different error > > > > > > > > message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote > > > > > > > > computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. > > > > > > > > We have tried redoing all of that, but we still don't get access to the > > > > > > > > remote BCM database. Our network guy is stymied and we are looking for any > > > > > > > > asstance you could provide. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > 'm not expert, but I followed this guide: > > > > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/sql_protocols/...30/778521.aspx > > > > > > > and also this: > > > > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/bcm/archive/20...re-a-business-... > > > > > > > I have been able to successfully connect remotely through vpn to the > > > > > > > shared db in my office. In order to do all this, I had many questions > > > > > > > to our tech support company.Goodluck > > > > > > > Scott H > > > > > > > Thanks for your feedback. I think that my connectivity issues to our remote > > > > > > BCM database are similar or tied in with the issues raised by a couple of > > > > > > others previously listed here. We have remote users using there home > > > > > > computers to access our SBS 2003 R2 server via VPN. They have no problems > > > > > > accessing their email hosted on the Exchange Server nor do they have problems > > > > > > accessing shared directories, SharePoint services, or other things on the > > > > > > server. The only thing that they can not access or connect to is the remote > > > > > > BCM 2007 database. None of the remote users have have domains established, > > > > > > and are all on separate workgroups, usually the default MSHOME workgroup. > > > > > > All remote users have Windows XP Pro SP2. Most of our remote users have > > > > > > Windows login names of their first & last names (John Doe), and not the same > > > > > > as their server username which is usually first name initial & last name > > > > > > (jdoe). We even created usernames on the server to match their Windows login > > > > > > full names (John Doe), but they still can not connect to the BCM database, > > > > > > but can connect via VPN with the new full name username. On the remote BCM > > > > > > database, we have authorized both types of user names access to the database > > > > > > (jdoe & John Doe). When they attempt to connect to the remote BCM 2007 > > > > > > database, they get a lengthy error message saying that either John Doe has > > > > > > not been granted access to the remote computer or that the password on the > > > > > > server does not match the Windows login. We know that the passwords are > > > > > > correct, because we have changed those and have to enter the newly changed > > > > > > password to get the VPN connection to work. Somewhere along the way, SQL > > > > > > Server is not authenticating. The only exception to all of this is that we > > > > > > have one remote user who has his Windows login the same as his server login, > > > > > > that is to say jdoe. He can access everything, including the BCM 2007 > > > > > > database with no problems! I should point out that all users can ping the > > > > > > server, and all users can issue a sqlcmd -S server\instance command with no > > > > > > problems from the cmd prompt. Someone previously asked about SQL server > > > > > > authentications, but I haven't seen a response to that question as of yet. > > > > > > What is the authentication process between the remote BCM 2007 database and > > > > > > the BCM client? It appears that there is some sort of Windows login > > > > > > authentication which is contrary to all of the other authentications that the > > > > > > server uses and allows for VPN users. How does the Windows login name come > > > > > > into play? Do we have to force all of our users to establish new logins on > > > > > > their computers to match their server name, and then subsequently have to > > > > > > move all of their documents, etc. to the new account? Please HELP!!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > BCM doesn't do any authentication of its own, it defers that to > > > > > Windows and Sql Server. > > > > > > In workgroup networks, without a domain server to authenticate users, > > > > > a user must have the same login and password to be considered the same > > > > > user--on both client they are logged on to with their desktop session > > > > > and at the other machine they are trying to access (for printers, > > > > > folder shares, or BCM databases). > > > > > > If the users can connect to the server with sqlcmd, the next question > > > > > is: can they connect to the BCM database with sqlcmd? > > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. Yes, all users can issue a sqlcmd -S > > > > servername\mssmlbiz command and not recieive any errors as long as they have > > > > a VPN connection established. However, if they try to connect to the remote > > > > database with BCM, they get the error message that I previously posted. I > > > > thought that the VPN connection would allow for all authentications, > > > > including SQL. Like I said, once each user has established a VPN connection, > > > > they can access all other areas on the server, including Exchange, SharePoint > > > > services, etc. What is unique about SQL? > > > > Just another quick note. I found this in some documentation about how to > > > access BCM 2007 databse with Access 2007, and it says: > > > > Depending upon whether you are on a domain or workgroup, select one of the > > > following authentication methods, and then click Next. > > > Windows - Select this method if your computer is a member of a domain. > > > SQL authentication - Select this option if your computer is a member of a > > > workgroup. > > > > Is there something on the SQL Server side to allow different authentications > > > that we need to set up or to for SQL authentication? > > > > - Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Where did you find this document? > > > BCM always uses Windows authentication, both in domains and > > workgroups. Sql auth is a historical artifact, considered inherently > > unsafe (passwords sent over the wire), and may disapeer in a future > > release of Sql. BCM has only used Windows auth for db connections, > > since BCM v1. > > > I guess I wasn't clear in my previous email. The questions with sqlcmd > > is not "can the user access the server (mssmlbiz)", although that is > > useful to know, but can they access their database with sqlcmd. BCM > > connects directly to the database, and permissions for connecting to > > the server and the BCM database are different. > > Luther, > > Thanks once again for your reply. The document I quoted from is: > > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb267994.aspx > > which I found while trolling around for any inkling of what is going on with > our connectivity issue. > > To address your last question, can the user's access the database, I have > tried the following: > > sqlcmd -S servername\mssmlbiz -d recruiting > > to access the recruiting database and we get no errors on the cmd prompt. > However, I can not access via BCM. In BCM, I go to the Database Tools, and > select Create or Select Databse, and from there check the radio button for > select existing databse and enter the servername. At that point (after about > a 5 sec. wait) I get the error I described previously. It never connects to > show me the option of which database to select, so I never get any further. > Again, this is with the Windows logon of John Doe. With the Windows logon of > jdoe it works just fine.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for the URL. I've sent it along to the relevant authorities. How is the user connected when sqlcmd reaches the database, jdoe or John Doe? I expect jdoe. I'm suspicious of a user with a login "John Doe". I'd always understood that space was not allowed in Windows login names. Perhaps allowing spaces is new with Vista, but sql server won't accept it. |
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"Luther" wrote: > On Nov 30, 10:10 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > "Luther" wrote: > > > On Nov 29, 9:01 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > "turk54" wrote: > > > > > > > "Luther" wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 29, 8:18 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "shol...@innerasiarugs.com" wrote: > > > > > > > > On Nov 27, 10:24 am, turk54 <tur...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well we finally have taken the next step and have gotten BCM 2007. We used > > > > > > > > > the Database Admin tool to create the database on the server, and have shared > > > > > > > > > it so users can access. Domain users seem to be connecting OK. > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I am having problems connecting to the remote server over a > > > > > > > > > VPN connection. I can establish a VPN connection with no problem, but can > > > > > > > > > not connect to the BCM database. I once saw in the discussions that there > > > > > > > > > might some issues with Windows login usernames and passwords matching server > > > > > > > > > usernames and passwords, but I'm not sure if that is the problem or not. Our > > > > > > > > > remote non-domain users typically have Windows login usernames such as "John > > > > > > > > > Doe", but have server usernames and email ids such as "jdoe". We were > > > > > > > > > getting error messages, that said Cannot find the remote user account name > > > > > > > > > John Doe. So we created additional usernames on the server matching the > > > > > > > > > Windows login names such as "John Doe", Which now gives us a different error > > > > > > > > > message saying that either John Doe has not been granted access to the remote > > > > > > > > > computer or that the password on the server does not match the Windows login. > > > > > > > > > We have tried redoing all of that, but we still don't get access to the > > > > > > > > > remote BCM database. Our network guy is stymied and we are looking for any > > > > > > > > > asstance you could provide. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > 'm not expert, but I followed this guide: > > > > > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/sql_protocols/...30/778521.aspx > > > > > > > > and also this: > > > > > > > >http://blogs.msdn.com/bcm/archive/20...re-a-business-... > > > > > > > > I have been able to successfully connect remotely through vpn to the > > > > > > > > shared db in my office. In order to do all this, I had many questions > > > > > > > > to our tech support company.Goodluck > > > > > > > > Scott H > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your feedback. I think that my connectivity issues to our remote > > > > > > > BCM database are similar or tied in with the issues raised by a couple of > > > > > > > others previously listed here. We have remote users using there home > > > > > > > computers to access our SBS 2003 R2 server via VPN. They have no problems > > > > > > > accessing their email hosted on the Exchange Server nor do they have problems > > > > > > > accessing shared directories, SharePoint services, or other things on the > > > > > > > server. The only thing that they can not access or connect to is the remote > > > > > > > BCM 2007 database. None of the remote users have have domains established, > > > > > > > and are all on separate workgroups, usually the default MSHOME workgroup. > > > > > > > All remote users have Windows XP Pro SP2. Most of our remote users have > > > > > > > Windows login names of their first & last names (John Doe), and not the same > > > > > > > as their server username which is usually first name initial & last name > > > > > > > (jdoe). We even created usernames on the server to match their Windows login > > > > > > > full names (John Doe), but they still can not connect to the BCM database, > > > > > > > but can connect via VPN with the new full name username. On the remote BCM > > > > > > > database, we have authorized both types of user names access to the database > > > > > > > (jdoe & John Doe). When they attempt to connect to the remote BCM 2007 > > > > > > > database, they get a lengthy error message saying that either John Doe has > > > > > > > not been granted access to the remote computer or that the password on the > > > > > > > server does not match the Windows login. We know that the passwords are > > > > > > > correct, because we have changed those and have to enter the newly changed > > > > > > > password to get the VPN connection to work. Somewhere along the way, SQL > > > > > > > Server is not authenticating. The only exception to all of this is that we > > > > > > > have one remote user who has his Windows login the same as his server login, > > > > > > > that is to say jdoe. He can access everything, including the BCM 2007 > > > > > > > database with no problems! I should point out that all users can ping the > > > > > > > server, and all users can issue a sqlcmd -S server\instance command with no > > > > > > > problems from the cmd prompt. Someone previously asked about SQL server > > > > > > > authentications, but I haven't seen a response to that question as of yet. > > > > > > > What is the authentication process between the remote BCM 2007 database and > > > > > > > the BCM client? It appears that there is some sort of Windows login > > > > > > > authentication which is contrary to all of the other authentications that the > > > > > > > server uses and allows for VPN users. How does the Windows login name come > > > > > > > into play? Do we have to force all of our users to establish new logins on > > > > > > > their computers to match their server name, and then subsequently have to > > > > > > > move all of their documents, etc. to the new account? Please HELP!!!!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > BCM doesn't do any authentication of its own, it defers that to > > > > > > Windows and Sql Server. > > > > > > > > In workgroup networks, without a domain server to authenticate users, > > > > > > a user must have the same login and password to be considered the same > > > > > > user--on both client they are logged on to with their desktop session > > > > > > and at the other machine they are trying to access (for printers, > > > > > > folder shares, or BCM databases). > > > > > > > > If the users can connect to the server with sqlcmd, the next question > > > > > > is: can they connect to the BCM database with sqlcmd? > > > > > > > Thanks for your quick reply. Yes, all users can issue a sqlcmd -S > > > > > servername\mssmlbiz command and not recieive any errors as long as they have > > > > > a VPN connection established. However, if they try to connect to the remote > > > > > database with BCM, they get the error message that I previously posted. I > > > > > thought that the VPN connection would allow for all authentications, > > > > > including SQL. Like I said, once each user has established a VPN connection, > > > > > they can access all other areas on the server, including Exchange, SharePoint > > > > > services, etc. What is unique about SQL? > > > > > > Just another quick note. I found this in some documentation about how to > > > > access BCM 2007 databse with Access 2007, and it says: > > > > > > Depending upon whether you are on a domain or workgroup, select one of the > > > > following authentication methods, and then click Next. > > > > Windows - Select this method if your computer is a member of a domain. > > > > SQL authentication - Select this option if your computer is a member of a > > > > workgroup. > > > > > > Is there something on the SQL Server side to allow different authentications > > > > that we need to set up or to for SQL authentication? > > > > > > - Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Where did you find this document? > > > > > BCM always uses Windows authentication, both in domains and > > > workgroups. Sql auth is a historical artifact, considered inherently > > > unsafe (passwords sent over the wire), and may disapeer in a future > > > release of Sql. BCM has only used Windows auth for db connections, > > > since BCM v1. > > > > > I guess I wasn't clear in my previous email. The questions with sqlcmd > > > is not "can the user access the server (mssmlbiz)", although that is > > > useful to know, but can they access their database with sqlcmd. BCM > > > connects directly to the database, and permissions for connecting to > > > the server and the BCM database are different. > > > > Luther, > > > > Thanks once again for your reply. The document I quoted from is: > > > > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb267994.aspx > > > > which I found while trolling around for any inkling of what is going on with > > our connectivity issue. > > > > To address your last question, can the user's access the database, I have > > tried the following: > > > > sqlcmd -S servername\mssmlbiz -d recruiting > > > > to access the recruiting database and we get no errors on the cmd prompt. > > However, I can not access via BCM. In BCM, I go to the Database Tools, and > > select Create or Select Databse, and from there check the radio button for > > select existing databse and enter the servername. At that point (after about > > a 5 sec. wait) I get the error I described previously. It never connects to > > show me the option of which database to select, so I never get any further. > > Again, this is with the Windows logon of John Doe. With the Windows logon of > > jdoe it works just fine.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Thanks for the URL. I've sent it along to the relevant authorities. > > How is the user connected when sqlcmd reaches the database, jdoe or > John Doe? I expect jdoe. > > I'm suspicious of a user with a login "John Doe". I'd always > understood that space was not allowed in Windows login names. Perhaps > allowing spaces is new with Vista, but sql server won't accept it. > Luther, I wanted to thank you for all of your assistance, and to also close out this thread with what we have done to resolve these issues. We just bit the bullet and created new user logon on each PC matching the username and password on the server and copied the profile and all other files over the the newly created user logon. We then started everything up and presto change-o everything seems to connect just fine. It was just too time consuming trying to force that square peg into that round hole! Thanks again for your assistance. |
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