Can anyone tell me if they know of any plan to add an option to the mail
program/send option, which would allow the user to set the default to a BCC
(where email messages would be sent out as BCC when "create" was clicked).
With Vista's beefed up security settings it seems they would have thought of
this to help fight the spam issues. If not, who would I contact to suggest
this option for an update/revision?

Don
Computer Services

You can create a template eml file and then save it to the desktop with the
BCC filled in if you want. Just set it up and then use File | Save as and
then click on it to open it.

Such messages usually wind up in my junk folder if they are not directed to
me, as I get tons and tons of spam that way.

steve

"Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Can anyone tell me if they know of any plan to add an option to the mail
> program/send option, which would allow the user to set the default to a
> BCC
> (where email messages would be sent out as BCC when "create" was clicked).
> With Vista's beefed up security settings it seems they would have thought
> of
> this to help fight the spam issues. If not, who would I contact to suggest
> this option for an update/revision?
>
> Don
> Computer Services
>
>

next time you go to create an email, click on View at the top and choose
"show all headers". It took me 2 days to find that little bugger!

And the new thing about showing the email addy next to the name is driving
me insane.

I'm aware of the options, but for the sake of others I teach, I was hoping
for a new BCC option in Vista I could pass on to make it easier for the
masses (and less than experts ..) to avoid exposing their mass mailings to
spammers. I've found that too many users aren't knowledgeable or caring
enough to do their part in controlling the spam problem. The spam filter
program I use (Mailwasher) has the ability (when configured properly) to
read the header info and separate out the spammers from the "friends list".
I'm seeing so much system constipation/damage from contaminated emails that
I was hoping for a change in Vista ... offering something other than the
spam/junk email setup that has gotten so much bad press for causing
additional problems.

"Steve Cochran" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:48101584-A714-476A-8514-(E-Mail Removed)...
> You can create a template eml file and then save it to the desktop with
> the BCC filled in if you want. Just set it up and then use File | Save as
> and then click on it to open it.
>
> Such messages usually wind up in my junk folder if they are not directed
> to me, as I get tons and tons of spam that way.
>
> steve
>
> "Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Can anyone tell me if they know of any plan to add an option to the mail
>> program/send option, which would allow the user to set the default to a
>> BCC
>> (where email messages would be sent out as BCC when "create" was
>> clicked).
>> With Vista's beefed up security settings it seems they would have thought
>> of
>> this to help fight the spam issues. If not, who would I contact to
>> suggest
>> this option for an update/revision?
>>
>> Don
>> Computer Services
>>
>>
>

I don't follow you. Are you saying that some of the recipients
on your mass mailing list are spammers who would then
harvest all those addresses for a spam list? If not, what
is the mechanism by which the mass mailing list is exposed
to spammers?

Clearly Windows Mail (or OE) is not optimized for sending
to a large mailing list, nor would I expect it to be.

--

Gary VanderMolen


"Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm aware of the options, but for the sake of others I teach, I was hoping
> for a new BCC option in Vista I could pass on to make it easier for the
> masses (and less than experts ..) to avoid exposing their mass mailings to
> spammers. I've found that too many users aren't knowledgeable or caring
> enough to do their part in controlling the spam problem. The spam filter
> program I use (Mailwasher) has the ability (when configured properly) to
> read the header info and separate out the spammers from the "friends list".
> I'm seeing so much system constipation/damage from contaminated emails that
> I was hoping for a change in Vista ... offering something other than the
> spam/junk email setup that has gotten so much bad press for causing
> additional problems.
>
> "Steve Cochran" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:48101584-A714-476A-8514-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> You can create a template eml file and then save it to the desktop with
>> the BCC filled in if you want. Just set it up and then use File | Save as
>> and then click on it to open it.
>>
>> Such messages usually wind up in my junk folder if they are not directed
>> to me, as I get tons and tons of spam that way.
>>
>> steve
>>
>> "Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Can anyone tell me if they know of any plan to add an option to the mail
>>> program/send option, which would allow the user to set the default to a
>>> BCC
>>> (where email messages would be sent out as BCC when "create" was
>>> clicked).
>>> With Vista's beefed up security settings it seems they would have thought
>>> of
>>> this to help fight the spam issues. If not, who would I contact to
>>> suggest
>>> this option for an update/revision?
>>>
>>> Don
>>> Computer Services
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Sorry for the misleading ... this is not to do with me, but rather the bulk
of the users who inadvertently forward on, or send out multiple/mass
mailings without concern for the safety of the people they make vulnerable
by showing the addresses in the "To" part of the header. My thinking here is
that Vista already incorporates much more in the way of security measures
and the BCC feature (default for multiple recipients) would seem to be a
step in the right direction. I have long thought (and taught) that we make
it too easy for the spammers to harvest the information from emails
containing multiple recipients. The concept I had in mind would be for the
"BCC" to be triggered when more than 2 names were entered into the "To"
field of the header (then the 'To" line would automatically switch to
"BCC") - thereby concealing the "at risk" addresses. I regularly send back
emails to the senders of those mass mailing with detailed, step by step
instructions on how to use the BCC feature so as to better safeguard our
friends and colleagues. The spammers certainly take advantage of the large
harvests when the find those emails that get circulated, adding more
addresses as people keep forwarding them on. I say it's easier to add a
security feature than to try and reeducate the public on the safe way to
send on those "harmless" jokes/petitions.

Don
Computer Services

"Gary VanderMolen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:BF7A04DA-9452-41C2-8E61-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I don't follow you. Are you saying that some of the recipients
> on your mass mailing list are spammers who would then harvest all those
> addresses for a spam list? If not, what
> is the mechanism by which the mass mailing list is exposed
> to spammers?
>
> Clearly Windows Mail (or OE) is not optimized for sending
> to a large mailing list, nor would I expect it to be.
>
> --
>
> Gary VanderMolen
>
>
> "Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I'm aware of the options, but for the sake of others I teach, I was
>> hoping for a new BCC option in Vista I could pass on to make it easier
>> for the masses (and less than experts ..) to avoid exposing their mass
>> mailings to spammers. I've found that too many users aren't knowledgeable
>> or caring enough to do their part in controlling the spam problem. The
>> spam filter program I use (Mailwasher) has the ability (when configured
>> properly) to read the header info and separate out the spammers from the
>> "friends list". I'm seeing so much system constipation/damage from
>> contaminated emails that I was hoping for a change in Vista ... offering
>> something other than the spam/junk email setup that has gotten so much
>> bad press for causing additional problems.
>>
>> "Steve Cochran" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:48101584-A714-476A-8514-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> You can create a template eml file and then save it to the desktop with
>>> the BCC filled in if you want. Just set it up and then use File | Save
>>> as and then click on it to open it.
>>>
>>> Such messages usually wind up in my junk folder if they are not directed
>>> to me, as I get tons and tons of spam that way.
>>>
>>> steve
>>>
>>> "Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Can anyone tell me if they know of any plan to add an option to the
>>>> mail
>>>> program/send option, which would allow the user to set the default to a
>>>> BCC
>>>> (where email messages would be sent out as BCC when "create" was
>>>> clicked).
>>>> With Vista's beefed up security settings it seems they would have
>>>> thought of
>>>> this to help fight the spam issues. If not, who would I contact to
>>>> suggest
>>>> this option for an update/revision?
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>> Computer Services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

I'm not at all sure that the mechanism you're describing is
responsible for email addresses falling into the possession of
spammers. Hopefully people who do the mass addressing
are only sending stuff to known colleagues, friends, and
relatives, i.i., a rather benign group of people.

I'd be more concerned about privacy. Addressees on the
list have no need-to-know everyone else's email address.

--

Gary VanderMolen


"Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:ucA1$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Sorry for the misleading ... this is not to do with me, but rather the bulk
> of the users who inadvertently forward on, or send out multiple/mass
> mailings without concern for the safety of the people they make vulnerable
> by showing the addresses in the "To" part of the header. My thinking here is
> that Vista already incorporates much more in the way of security measures
> and the BCC feature (default for multiple recipients) would seem to be a
> step in the right direction. I have long thought (and taught) that we make
> it too easy for the spammers to harvest the information from emails
> containing multiple recipients. The concept I had in mind would be for the
> "BCC" to be triggered when more than 2 names were entered into the "To"
> field of the header (then the 'To" line would automatically switch to
> "BCC") - thereby concealing the "at risk" addresses. I regularly send back
> emails to the senders of those mass mailing with detailed, step by step
> instructions on how to use the BCC feature so as to better safeguard our
> friends and colleagues. The spammers certainly take advantage of the large
> harvests when the find those emails that get circulated, adding more
> addresses as people keep forwarding them on. I say it's easier to add a
> security feature than to try and reeducate the public on the safe way to
> send on those "harmless" jokes/petitions.
>
> Don
> Computer Services
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:BF7A04DA-9452-41C2-8E61-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I don't follow you. Are you saying that some of the recipients
>> on your mass mailing list are spammers who would then harvest all those
>> addresses for a spam list? If not, what
>> is the mechanism by which the mass mailing list is exposed
>> to spammers?
>>
>> Clearly Windows Mail (or OE) is not optimized for sending
>> to a large mailing list, nor would I expect it to be.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>>
>> "Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I'm aware of the options, but for the sake of others I teach, I was
>>> hoping for a new BCC option in Vista I could pass on to make it easier
>>> for the masses (and less than experts ..) to avoid exposing their mass
>>> mailings to spammers. I've found that too many users aren't knowledgeable
>>> or caring enough to do their part in controlling the spam problem. The
>>> spam filter program I use (Mailwasher) has the ability (when configured
>>> properly) to read the header info and separate out the spammers from the
>>> "friends list". I'm seeing so much system constipation/damage from
>>> contaminated emails that I was hoping for a change in Vista ... offering
>>> something other than the spam/junk email setup that has gotten so much
>>> bad press for causing additional problems.
>>>
>>> "Steve Cochran" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:48101584-A714-476A-8514-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> You can create a template eml file and then save it to the desktop with
>>>> the BCC filled in if you want. Just set it up and then use File | Save
>>>> as and then click on it to open it.
>>>>
>>>> Such messages usually wind up in my junk folder if they are not directed
>>>> to me, as I get tons and tons of spam that way.
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> Can anyone tell me if they know of any plan to add an option to the
>>>>> mail
>>>>> program/send option, which would allow the user to set the default to a
>>>>> BCC
>>>>> (where email messages would be sent out as BCC when "create" was
>>>>> clicked).
>>>>> With Vista's beefed up security settings it seems they would have
>>>>> thought of
>>>>> this to help fight the spam issues. If not, who would I contact to
>>>>> suggest
>>>>> this option for an update/revision?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>> Computer Services
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

I would nip it in the bud and tell people not to do all that forwarding
crap. But then again I can't stop my brother from doing it. He whined
about it when he had dialup, but that sure got fixed and I just love to get
5 meg stupid emails from him several times a day.

Maybe some like that, but I sure think its a waste of just about anything.

To all of a sudden divert the list to a BCC so everyone could be included is
just that much worse.

If they are complaining about being spammed from the lists they send out,
then that's what they get as far as I'm concerned. Spam for the spammers.

steve

"Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:ucA1$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Sorry for the misleading ... this is not to do with me, but rather the
> bulk of the users who inadvertently forward on, or send out multiple/mass
> mailings without concern for the safety of the people they make vulnerable
> by showing the addresses in the "To" part of the header. My thinking here
> is that Vista already incorporates much more in the way of security
> measures and the BCC feature (default for multiple recipients) would seem
> to be a step in the right direction. I have long thought (and taught) that
> we make it too easy for the spammers to harvest the information from
> emails containing multiple recipients. The concept I had in mind would be
> for the "BCC" to be triggered when more than 2 names were entered into the
> "To" field of the header (then the 'To" line would automatically switch to
> "BCC") - thereby concealing the "at risk" addresses. I regularly send back
> emails to the senders of those mass mailing with detailed, step by step
> instructions on how to use the BCC feature so as to better safeguard our
> friends and colleagues. The spammers certainly take advantage of the large
> harvests when the find those emails that get circulated, adding more
> addresses as people keep forwarding them on. I say it's easier to add a
> security feature than to try and reeducate the public on the safe way to
> send on those "harmless" jokes/petitions.
>
> Don
> Computer Services
>
> "Gary VanderMolen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:BF7A04DA-9452-41C2-8E61-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I don't follow you. Are you saying that some of the recipients
>> on your mass mailing list are spammers who would then harvest all those
>> addresses for a spam list? If not, what
>> is the mechanism by which the mass mailing list is exposed
>> to spammers?
>>
>> Clearly Windows Mail (or OE) is not optimized for sending
>> to a large mailing list, nor would I expect it to be.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Gary VanderMolen
>>
>>
>> "Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I'm aware of the options, but for the sake of others I teach, I was
>>> hoping for a new BCC option in Vista I could pass on to make it easier
>>> for the masses (and less than experts ..) to avoid exposing their mass
>>> mailings to spammers. I've found that too many users aren't
>>> knowledgeable or caring enough to do their part in controlling the spam
>>> problem. The spam filter program I use (Mailwasher) has the ability
>>> (when configured properly) to read the header info and separate out the
>>> spammers from the "friends list". I'm seeing so much system
>>> constipation/damage from contaminated emails that I was hoping for a
>>> change in Vista ... offering something other than the spam/junk email
>>> setup that has gotten so much bad press for causing additional problems.
>>>
>>> "Steve Cochran" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:48101584-A714-476A-8514-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> You can create a template eml file and then save it to the desktop with
>>>> the BCC filled in if you want. Just set it up and then use File | Save
>>>> as and then click on it to open it.
>>>>
>>>> Such messages usually wind up in my junk folder if they are not
>>>> directed to me, as I get tons and tons of spam that way.
>>>>
>>>> steve
>>>>
>>>> "Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> Can anyone tell me if they know of any plan to add an option to the
>>>>> mail
>>>>> program/send option, which would allow the user to set the default to
>>>>> a BCC
>>>>> (where email messages would be sent out as BCC when "create" was
>>>>> clicked).
>>>>> With Vista's beefed up security settings it seems they would have
>>>>> thought of
>>>>> this to help fight the spam issues. If not, who would I contact to
>>>>> suggest
>>>>> this option for an update/revision?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>> Computer Services
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

"Don" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Can anyone tell me if they know of any plan to add an option to the mail
> program/send option, which would allow the user to set the default to a
> BCC
> (where email messages would be sent out as BCC when "create" was clicked).
> With Vista's beefed up security settings it seems they would have thought
> of
> this to help fight the spam issues. If not, who would I contact to suggest
> this option for an update/revision?
>
> Don
> Computer Services
>
>

I'm going to jump on Don's bandwagon and say that I agree - an optional
configuration which would hide the "CC:" input box and instead show the
"BCC:" box by default would be an excellent idea. Not necessarily as an
anti-spam measure, but an excellent idea nonetheless.

In my day job, I see emails arrive from Fortune 100 companies and small
$10M/yr companies wherein some fool CC:'d tens or hundreds of contacts,
thereby allowing every recipient to see the name and email address of every
other recipient. I have seen incidents of salesreps essentially giving away
their entire contacts database; something that a salesman of years past
would guard with his life. I have learned who my competition is at many
customer sites because a purchasing agent sent an open CC:'d email to all of
his vendors. And, I have learned some other things as well - for example,
whose PC's are likely to have pornographic images stored on them.

Imagine what would happen if a clerk in an AIDS or drug treatment center
were to send a "We're Moving!" email to an open "CC:" list...

Don's correct: an option which would permit only a single TO: address and
would show only the BCC: field while also making the CC: field inaccessible
would be a good thing. It would be especially good if the option could be
worked into system policies such that the average user in a business
environment would not be able to change it.

Carmine Castiglia
http://www.infosystemspro.com
PalmOS apps for engineers and machinists

Thanks Carol, your post will save many others those two days......I gave up
finding the little bugger and went to see if there was a post on the
subject.....

click on View at the top and choose
"all headers"

thanks again, Chuck

"Carol in GA" wrote:

> next time you go to create an email, click on View at the top and choose
> "show all headers". It took me 2 days to find that little bugger!
>
> And the new thing about showing the email addy next to the name is driving
> me insane.