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attilathehun1
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      10th Jun 2008
Would your computer stop working all of a sudden one day if the motherboard
battery, the 2032 organize battery I think, stops working? The computer
worked when I changed the monitor but then it stopped working shortly after
that. Then it didn't matter what monitor I tried, it just wouldn't fire up. I
checked everything almost, reseated the RAM, checked the power supply, tried
another video card, checked the hard drive, used different parallel straps. I
mean I went through all I could think of, except the motherboard battery. By
accident I discovered that it wasn't working. Do you think that could be the
problem? Is that a common problem of a PC going on the blink? Would it start
up after a rest and then finally shut down? It seems like the battery on my
flashlights get better once they aren't on, but once you turn the flashlight
back on, the flashlight dims out.
I'm thinking about putting the whole PC back together now and trying out a
battery that I know works. Ok, this is the truth. I took out the battery and
changed it with another one and I think the one I changed it with was bad.
I'm not sure, but I know I did change the battery. I was trying out my
battery tester and found out the right option on the tester to test 3 and 1
1/2 volt batteries. So, I'm not sure if the original battery I took out was
good or bad. That's why I'm asking if it's a common problem.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, attilathehun1
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JS
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      10th Jun 2008
Go buy a new battery and replace what's in your computer with the new one!

You will most likely need to configure the BIOS settings when you boot after
replacing the battery from the defaults to what works best for your PC.

JS

"attilathehun1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Would your computer stop working all of a sudden one day if the
> motherboard
> battery, the 2032 organize battery I think, stops working? The computer
> worked when I changed the monitor but then it stopped working shortly
> after
> that. Then it didn't matter what monitor I tried, it just wouldn't fire
> up. I
> checked everything almost, reseated the RAM, checked the power supply,
> tried
> another video card, checked the hard drive, used different parallel
> straps. I
> mean I went through all I could think of, except the motherboard battery.
> By
> accident I discovered that it wasn't working. Do you think that could be
> the
> problem? Is that a common problem of a PC going on the blink? Would it
> start
> up after a rest and then finally shut down? It seems like the battery on
> my
> flashlights get better once they aren't on, but once you turn the
> flashlight
> back on, the flashlight dims out.
> I'm thinking about putting the whole PC back together now and trying out a
> battery that I know works. Ok, this is the truth. I took out the battery
> and
> changed it with another one and I think the one I changed it with was bad.
> I'm not sure, but I know I did change the battery. I was trying out my
> battery tester and found out the right option on the tester to test 3 and
> 1
> 1/2 volt batteries. So, I'm not sure if the original battery I took out
> was
> good or bad. That's why I'm asking if it's a common problem.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks, attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1



 
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jsoreno
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      10th Jun 2008

Yes go ahead buy a new battery. Just make sure you know how what to d
with the BIOS. Good luc


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Twayne
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      10th Jun 2008
> Would your computer stop working all of a sudden one day if the
> motherboard battery, the 2032 organize battery I think, stops
> working?


Yes, that's quite possible. It would depend on a few things, but it's
definitely possible the CMOS settings were lost.
Boot to the System Settings/CMOS Settings/BIOS settings, whatever it's
called on your machine, and write down each setting in case you have to
put them back.
Then, there will be a "load default" choice somewhere; click that
then save and exit and continue the boot.

The computer worked when I changed the monitor but then it
> stopped working shortly after that.


But that doesn't sound like a monitor problem.

Then it didn't matter what
> monitor I tried, it just wouldn't fire up.


Did you try it from Safe Mode? That uses a standard driver that should
work with any monitor, just maybe not a very good looking screen, but it
will work if there is nothing wrong elsewhere.

I checked everything
> almost, reseated the RAM, checked the power supply, tried another
> video card, checked the hard drive, used different parallel straps.


Parallel straps? What the heck do you mean?

I
> mean I went through all I could think of, except the motherboard
> battery. By accident I discovered that it wasn't working.


What äccident" was that? See above: or try starting in Safe Mode.

Do you
> think that could be the problem?


Possible, not likely, IMO.

Is that a common problem of a PC
> going on the blink?


Not the way you describe it, but it could be possible. Just not likely
IMO. Can't hurt to try a known good battery though.

Would it start up after a rest and then finally
> shut down?


Who knows? Try it and see.

It seems like the battery on my flashlights get better
> once they aren't on, but once you turn the flashlight back on, the
> flashlight dims out.


Irrelevant. Different battery, technology, materials, characteristics
and use. No comparison. This kind of battery reaches a cutoff point
and quits; period.
The most obvious symptom of a bad battery is that the computer won't
keep the system date correctly while the computer is turned off. If it
loses time when the computer is turned off, the battery is 99% likely
dead.

> I'm thinking about putting the whole PC back together now and trying
> out a battery that I know works.


Gopher it.

Ok, this is the truth. I took out
> the battery and changed it with another one and I think the one I
> changed it with was bad. I'm not sure, but I know I did change the
> battery. I was trying out my battery tester and found out the right
> option on the tester to test 3 and 1 1/2 volt batteries. So, I'm not
> sure if the original battery I took out was good or bad. That's why
> I'm asking if it's a common problem.


Measuring the battery with a meter isn't indicative of the battery's
health under load. Even a dead battery can show a healthy output
voltage out of its circuit. Measuring it is useless; just change it out
with a known good battery.

I could be misreading you, but with a lot of the things you've done, if
you didn't use good static protection while you worked on the computer,
you could have damaged some of the cktry in the computer. Thinking you
did it "safely" because you never drew a static arc from your fingers to
anything is NOT right! Static voltages that can damage today's
electronic ckts can be so low that they would not create visible arcs in
any way. Unless you observed good static procedures, you could, not
did, have damaged other cktry in the computer.

Get to Safe Mode for ALL of your testing until you have a working
system. THEN try to get it to run in standard mode.

HTH

Twayne

> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks, attilathehun1




 
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attilathehun1
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      10th Jun 2008
Oh darn it, I knew I should've wrote down the settings on the BIOS. Isn't
there a default settings on the BIOS that I can hit? So the PC will go back
into the factory mode settings from the manufacturer. I've gone into BIOS
alot of times but I can't remember what the settings were for this PC. This
PC is a DIY that I built about 3 years ago. I bought the CPU and mobo from
CompUSA. It's a AMD processor chip Socket A EV6 bus 462 Pin ZIF and the
motherboard is a M7VIG 400 that supports AMD processors.
Any response will be gladly appreciated.
Thanks, attilathehun
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attilathehun1


"Twayne" wrote:

> > Would your computer stop working all of a sudden one day if the
> > motherboard battery, the 2032 organize battery I think, stops
> > working?

>
> Yes, that's quite possible. It would depend on a few things, but it's
> definitely possible the CMOS settings were lost.
> Boot to the System Settings/CMOS Settings/BIOS settings, whatever it's
> called on your machine, and write down each setting in case you have to
> put them back.
> Then, there will be a "load default" choice somewhere; click that
> then save and exit and continue the boot.
>
> The computer worked when I changed the monitor but then it
> > stopped working shortly after that.

>
> But that doesn't sound like a monitor problem.
>
> Then it didn't matter what
> > monitor I tried, it just wouldn't fire up.

>
> Did you try it from Safe Mode? That uses a standard driver that should
> work with any monitor, just maybe not a very good looking screen, but it
> will work if there is nothing wrong elsewhere.
>
> I checked everything
> > almost, reseated the RAM, checked the power supply, tried another
> > video card, checked the hard drive, used different parallel straps.

>
> Parallel straps? What the heck do you mean?
>
> I
> > mean I went through all I could think of, except the motherboard
> > battery. By accident I discovered that it wasn't working.

>
> What äccident" was that? See above: or try starting in Safe Mode.
>
> Do you
> > think that could be the problem?

>
> Possible, not likely, IMO.
>
> Is that a common problem of a PC
> > going on the blink?

>
> Not the way you describe it, but it could be possible. Just not likely
> IMO. Can't hurt to try a known good battery though.
>
> Would it start up after a rest and then finally
> > shut down?

>
> Who knows? Try it and see.
>
> It seems like the battery on my flashlights get better
> > once they aren't on, but once you turn the flashlight back on, the
> > flashlight dims out.

>
> Irrelevant. Different battery, technology, materials, characteristics
> and use. No comparison. This kind of battery reaches a cutoff point
> and quits; period.
> The most obvious symptom of a bad battery is that the computer won't
> keep the system date correctly while the computer is turned off. If it
> loses time when the computer is turned off, the battery is 99% likely
> dead.
>
> > I'm thinking about putting the whole PC back together now and trying
> > out a battery that I know works.

>
> Gopher it.
>
> Ok, this is the truth. I took out
> > the battery and changed it with another one and I think the one I
> > changed it with was bad. I'm not sure, but I know I did change the
> > battery. I was trying out my battery tester and found out the right
> > option on the tester to test 3 and 1 1/2 volt batteries. So, I'm not
> > sure if the original battery I took out was good or bad. That's why
> > I'm asking if it's a common problem.

>
> Measuring the battery with a meter isn't indicative of the battery's
> health under load. Even a dead battery can show a healthy output
> voltage out of its circuit. Measuring it is useless; just change it out
> with a known good battery.
>
> I could be misreading you, but with a lot of the things you've done, if
> you didn't use good static protection while you worked on the computer,
> you could have damaged some of the cktry in the computer. Thinking you
> did it "safely" because you never drew a static arc from your fingers to
> anything is NOT right! Static voltages that can damage today's
> electronic ckts can be so low that they would not create visible arcs in
> any way. Unless you observed good static procedures, you could, not
> did, have damaged other cktry in the computer.
>
> Get to Safe Mode for ALL of your testing until you have a working
> system. THEN try to get it to run in standard mode.
>
> HTH
>
> Twayne
>
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks, attilathehun1

>
>
>
>

 
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attilathehun1
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      10th Jun 2008
Well, I tried to fire it up, without putting the heatsink and fan back onto
the CPU, and nothing happened. I smelt something like burning wires for a
second. Is that because I didn't have anything on the CPU yet? I mean why
install the heatsink and fan assembly just to have to take it apart again.
This PC has been a real nightmare. All I can figure it's the motherboard or
CPU chip that's finally given out.
Ok, if something I've done wrong here shoots out at you. please don't feel
to keep it back from telling what you think is wrong with the procedure.
Thanks,
attilathehun1
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"attilathehun1" wrote:

> Would your computer stop working all of a sudden one day if the motherboard
> battery, the 2032 organize battery I think, stops working? The computer
> worked when I changed the monitor but then it stopped working shortly after
> that. Then it didn't matter what monitor I tried, it just wouldn't fire up. I
> checked everything almost, reseated the RAM, checked the power supply, tried
> another video card, checked the hard drive, used different parallel straps. I
> mean I went through all I could think of, except the motherboard battery. By
> accident I discovered that it wasn't working. Do you think that could be the
> problem? Is that a common problem of a PC going on the blink? Would it start
> up after a rest and then finally shut down? It seems like the battery on my
> flashlights get better once they aren't on, but once you turn the flashlight
> back on, the flashlight dims out.
> I'm thinking about putting the whole PC back together now and trying out a
> battery that I know works. Ok, this is the truth. I took out the battery and
> changed it with another one and I think the one I changed it with was bad.
> I'm not sure, but I know I did change the battery. I was trying out my
> battery tester and found out the right option on the tester to test 3 and 1
> 1/2 volt batteries. So, I'm not sure if the original battery I took out was
> good or bad. That's why I'm asking if it's a common problem.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks, attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1

 
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gls858
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      10th Jun 2008
attilathehun1 wrote:
> Well, I tried to fire it up, without putting the heatsink and fan back onto
> the CPU, and nothing happened. I smelt something like burning wires for a
> second. Is that because I didn't have anything on the CPU yet? I mean why
> install the heatsink and fan assembly just to have to take it apart again.
> This PC has been a real nightmare. All I can figure it's the motherboard or
> CPU chip that's finally given out.
> Ok, if something I've done wrong here shoots out at you. please don't feel
> to keep it back from telling what you think is wrong with the procedure.
> Thanks,
> attilathehun1


Yes. The thing you did wrong was not putting the heat sink and fan back
on. Most likley you fried the processor. It doesn't take long.

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Nepatsfan
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      10th Jun 2008
"attilathehun1" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Would your computer stop working all of a sudden one day if the motherboard
> battery, the 2032 organize battery I think, stops working? The computer
> worked when I changed the monitor but then it stopped working shortly after
> that. Then it didn't matter what monitor I tried, it just wouldn't fire up. I
> checked everything almost, reseated the RAM, checked the power supply, tried
> another video card, checked the hard drive, used different parallel straps. I
> mean I went through all I could think of, except the motherboard battery. By
> accident I discovered that it wasn't working. Do you think that could be the
> problem? Is that a common problem of a PC going on the blink? Would it start
> up after a rest and then finally shut down? It seems like the battery on my
> flashlights get better once they aren't on, but once you turn the flashlight
> back on, the flashlight dims out.
> I'm thinking about putting the whole PC back together now and trying out a
> battery that I know works. Ok, this is the truth. I took out the battery and
> changed it with another one and I think the one I changed it with was bad.
> I'm not sure, but I know I did change the battery. I was trying out my
> battery tester and found out the right option on the tester to test 3 and 1
> 1/2 volt batteries. So, I'm not sure if the original battery I took out was
> good or bad. That's why I'm asking if it's a common problem.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks, attilathehun1
> --
> attilathehun1



I don't see any mention of testing your power supply. Either swap it out with a
known good unit or get a multi-meter and start testing voltages.

Good luck

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Twayne
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      11th Jun 2008
> Oh darn it, I knew I should've wrote down the settings on the BIOS.
> Isn't there a default settings on the BIOS that I can hit? So the PC
> will go back into the factory mode settings from the manufacturer.


There usually is, yes. But being a diy project, it's hard to say
whether the defaults will be enough; another reason to work in Safe Mode
too, at least initially. Another reason to be paring down to essentials
(break it into smallest pieces you can) and work your way upwards.
ALWAYS note any non-standard BIOS settings, especially if the defaults
will screw things up.
The mobo usually has a jumper or short-pads to reset the BIOS stuff
too. Your specs will have that.
Don't recall for sure, but I seem to recall you mentioning somewhere
that the BIOS you had wasn't known to be the right one? That you should
be able to work out from your specs, so at least it's manageable. very
important to know; I wouldn't skip any steps if i could help it.

Afraid I can't help beyond that. Any chance you have your old build
notes stashed away someplace?


Regards,



> I've gone into BIOS alot of times but I can't remember what the
> settings were for this PC. This PC is a DIY that I built about 3
> years ago. I bought the CPU and mobo from CompUSA. It's a AMD
> processor chip Socket A EV6 bus 462 Pin ZIF and the motherboard is a
> M7VIG 400 that supports AMD processors. Any response will be gladly
> appreciated. Thanks,
> attilathehun
>
>>> Would your computer stop working all of a sudden one day if the
>>> motherboard battery, the 2032 organize battery I think, stops
>>> working?

>>
>> Yes, that's quite possible. It would depend on a few things, but
>> it's definitely possible the CMOS settings were lost.
>> Boot to the System Settings/CMOS Settings/BIOS settings, whatever
>> it's called on your machine, and write down each setting in case you
>> have to put them back.
>> Then, there will be a "load default" choice somewhere; click that
>> then save and exit and continue the boot.
>>
>> The computer worked when I changed the monitor but then it
>>> stopped working shortly after that.

>>
>> But that doesn't sound like a monitor problem.
>>
>> Then it didn't matter what
>>> monitor I tried, it just wouldn't fire up.

>>
>> Did you try it from Safe Mode? That uses a standard driver that
>> should work with any monitor, just maybe not a very good looking
>> screen, but it will work if there is nothing wrong elsewhere.
>>
>> I checked everything
>>> almost, reseated the RAM, checked the power supply, tried another
>>> video card, checked the hard drive, used different parallel straps.

>>
>> Parallel straps? What the heck do you mean?
>>
>> I
>>> mean I went through all I could think of, except the motherboard
>>> battery. By accident I discovered that it wasn't working.

>>
>> What äccident" was that? See above: or try starting in Safe Mode.
>>
>> Do you
>>> think that could be the problem?

>>
>> Possible, not likely, IMO.
>>
>> Is that a common problem of a PC
>>> going on the blink?

>>
>> Not the way you describe it, but it could be possible. Just not
>> likely IMO. Can't hurt to try a known good battery though.
>>
>> Would it start up after a rest and then finally
>>> shut down?

>>
>> Who knows? Try it and see.
>>
>> It seems like the battery on my flashlights get better
>>> once they aren't on, but once you turn the flashlight back on, the
>>> flashlight dims out.

>>
>> Irrelevant. Different battery, technology, materials,
>> characteristics and use. No comparison. This kind of battery
>> reaches a cutoff point and quits; period.
>> The most obvious symptom of a bad battery is that the computer
>> won't keep the system date correctly while the computer is turned
>> off. If it loses time when the computer is turned off, the battery
>> is 99% likely dead.
>>
>>> I'm thinking about putting the whole PC back together now and trying
>>> out a battery that I know works.

>>
>> Gopher it.
>>
>> Ok, this is the truth. I took out
>>> the battery and changed it with another one and I think the one I
>>> changed it with was bad. I'm not sure, but I know I did change the
>>> battery. I was trying out my battery tester and found out the right
>>> option on the tester to test 3 and 1 1/2 volt batteries. So, I'm not
>>> sure if the original battery I took out was good or bad. That's why
>>> I'm asking if it's a common problem.

>>
>> Measuring the battery with a meter isn't indicative of the battery's
>> health under load. Even a dead battery can show a healthy output
>> voltage out of its circuit. Measuring it is useless; just change it
>> out with a known good battery.
>>
>> I could be misreading you, but with a lot of the things you've done,
>> if you didn't use good static protection while you worked on the
>> computer, you could have damaged some of the cktry in the computer.
>> Thinking you did it "safely" because you never drew a static arc
>> from your fingers to anything is NOT right! Static voltages that
>> can damage today's electronic ckts can be so low that they would not
>> create visible arcs in any way. Unless you observed good static
>> procedures, you could, not did, have damaged other cktry in the
>> computer.
>>
>> Get to Safe Mode for ALL of your testing until you have a working
>> system. THEN try to get it to run in standard mode.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Twayne
>>
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks, attilathehun1




 
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> attilathehun1 wrote:
>> Well, I tried to fire it up, without putting the heatsink and fan
>> back onto the CPU, and nothing happened. I smelt something like
>> burning wires for a second. Is that because I didn't have anything
>> on the CPU yet? I mean why install the heatsink and fan assembly
>> just to have to take it apart again. This PC has been a real
>> nightmare. All I can figure it's the motherboard or CPU chip that's
>> finally given out. Ok, if something I've done wrong here shoots out
>> at you. please don't feel to keep it back from telling what you
>> think is
>> wrong with the procedure. Thanks, attilathehun1

>
> Yes. The thing you did wrong was not putting the heat sink and fan
> back on. Most likley you fried the processor. It doesn't take long.
>
> gls858


That may well be an accurate statement. If the external surfaces got
too hot to touch, there is an oustanding chance that the internal
temperature went beyond safe operating specs. I don't know for sure,
but I'd imagine it could happen in three to five minutes of run time,
especially if the cpu were running hard at or near 100%.


 
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