What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
I can skip the glossy box.

Thanks,
JimR

JimR wrote:

> What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be in consumer packaging?

Just some basics like screws and a jumper diagram usually.

> Is it just the packaging.

Pretty much.

> For 5 bux difference, I can skip the glossy box.

Yeah, its no use to you.

JimR <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
> in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
> I can skip the glossy box.

No difference in the drive, however you mau get different
warranty periods and you may get mounting material and/or
extra software with the drive in a box. Usually not worth
the price difference.

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In article <7prte7-(E-Mail Removed)>, JimR <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
>in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
>I can skip the glossy box.
>
>Thanks,
>JimR
Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you. In
other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell computers or
a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip mall
store, you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup
their drives. If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full warranty of
the manufacturer.

GMAN wrote
> JimR <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>> What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that
>> appears to be in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging.
>> For 5 bux difference, I can skip the glossy box.

> Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you.

Hardly ever, actually.

> In other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell computers or
> a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip mall store,
> you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup their drives.

And that hardly ever is the case.

> If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full warranty of the manufacturer.

You do with bare drives most of the time too.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Ian D" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>"GMAN" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:hX8Tn.225131$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> In article <7prte7-(E-Mail Removed)>, JimR
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that appears to be
>>>in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging. For 5 bux difference,
>>>I can skip the glossy box.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>JimR
>> Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you.
>> In
>> other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell
>> computers or
>> a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip
>> mall
>> store, you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup
>> their drives. If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full
>> warranty of
>> the manufacturer.
>>
>
>Actually, it's sort of the opposite. For warranty, it's best to buy
>an OEM drive. Taking Western Digital for instance, the OEM
>drives usually have 3 to 5 year warrantees. The same drive in
>a retail package from a big box retailer will only have a one year
>warranty. In both cases the warranty is directly through WD,
>as it is for the other HD manufacturers. Also, an HD warranty
>is usually based on the date of manufacturer, with a bit extra for
>distribution channel time.

NO, in the USA, the retail boxed drive is more likely to have a larger
warranty. If the drive is sold at a small reseller, in just a plain plastic
pouch, THEY usually have NO manufacturers warranty. Most say right on the
drive that they are only warranted thru the rebuilder.



>
>A drive bought from a big box may have been sitting on the shelf,
>or in their warehouse for months, whereas OEM drives from small
>computer stores are usually current stock. Any OEM drives I've
>bought from smaller retailers have usually been manufactured
>within the preceeding two months. Smaller operations usually
>carry minimal stock, and reorder frequently as needed.

Read me what the label says on that drive, i bet it says its only warranted
thru the reseller.

When companies like Dell, HP and others buy theese drives for their systems,
THEY are then the ones who warranty them. Seagate or WD wont cover them.

>
>WD has a utility on their sit where you can enter a drive's serial
>number to get the warranty expiry date.
>
>

And in certain states like Utah, the warranty starts when the drive or product
is bought. They cant say that you have lost 6 months off the warranty just
because it has sat there that long at Best Buy.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>GMAN wrote
>> JimR <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>
>>> What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one that
>>> appears to be in consumer packaging? Is it just the packaging.
>>> For 5 bux difference, I can skip the glossy box.
>
>> Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you.
>
>Hardly ever, actually.

Exactly, many require you to buy a stupid warranty to cover the drive if at
all.


That is what this reseller does. He is a cheap ass ripoff artist
http://www.ebccomputers.com/


>
>> In other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell
> computers or
>> a manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip mall
> store,
>> you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup their
> drives.
>
>And that hardly ever is the case.
>

The reseller is under no requirement by say Seagate to cover the drives that
were meant to be sold only to rebuilders.

I had a 750GB Seagate drive go south and EBC computers in Salt Lake City would
not replace it, And seagate said it wouldnt either due to it being a reseller
drive, and not retail packaged.


>> If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full warranty of the
> manufacturer.
>
>You do with bare drives most of the time too.
>
>
Bull **** look at seagates own FAQ at the URL below for the proof.


Most drive manufacturers will not honor the warranty unless it was a built for
retail drive. You must in this situation return the drive thru the small
reseller you bought it from.

Most the time these bare drives in static bags were meant for system
integrators to build into their pc systems and as such have no warranty thru
Seagate to the end home customer.




http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/cr...DocId=202271#6

Q. Why do I have to go back to my place of purchase to return a drive that was
sold as a system component?

A. Seagate sells many drives to direct customers who use them as a computer
system component. In these cases, the Limited Warranty only extends to
Seagate's direct customers and is not assignable or transferable. See
AnswerID: 169851 for more information.




http://support.wdc.com/warranty/poli...pe=res&lang=en

Warranty Policy and Limitations


No limited warranty is provided by WD unless your WD Product ("Product") was
purchased from an authorized distributor or authorized reseller. Distributors
may sell Products to resellers who then sell Products to end users. Please see
below for warranty information or obtaining service. No warranty service is
provided unless the Product is returned to an authorized return center in the
region (warranty regions are identified as Canada, U.S.A., Latin America,
Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia Pacific, India and Thailand) where the
Product was first shipped by WD, which may have regional specific warranty
implications.

If your Product was purchased as a component integrated within a system by a
system manufacturer, no limited warranty is provided by WD. Please contact the
place of purchase or the system manufacturer directly for warranty service.

> Western Digital drives are warranteed directly by them. If
> you have a problem with a WD drive, you go to their website
> and get an RMA number. You send the drive to them, and
> when they confirm it's defective, they send you a new, or
> refurbed drive.

I've done that with a new Caviar Blue that didn't fully pass the
self-test. Got a perfect refurb pretty quickly. It really has an old
number on it!
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GMAN wrote
> Rod Speed <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>> GMAN wrote
>>> JimR <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>>>> What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one
>>>> that appears to be in consumer packaging? Is it just the
>>>> packaging. For 5 bux difference, I can skip the glossy box.

>>> Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you.

>> Hardly ever, actually.

> Exactly, many require you to buy a stupid warranty to cover the drive if at all.

Hardly any do, actually. Newegg certainly doesnt.

> That is what this reseller does. He is a cheap ass ripoff artist
> http://www.ebccomputers.com/

Then deal with someone else, stupid.

>>> In other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell computers or a
>>> manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip mall store,

>>> you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup their drives.

>> And that hardly ever is the case.

> The reseller is under no requirement by say Seagate to
> cover the drives that were meant to be sold only to rebuilders.

That isnt the case with bare drives.

> I had a 750GB Seagate drive go south and EBC computers in
> Salt Lake City would not replace it, And seagate said it wouldnt
> either due to it being a reseller drive, and not retail packaged.

And you were stupid enough to not use the small claims court to **** over EBC.

And stupid enough to buy a Seagate drive when they have the stupid approach too.

All of Samsung, WD, Hitachi etc etc etc will replace the drive if its failed in warranty.

>>> If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full warranty of the manufacturer.

>> You do with bare drives most of the time too.

> Bull **** look at seagates own FAQ at the URL below for the proof.

Thats just ONE manfacturer. Have a look at the others, they dont say that.

> Most drive manufacturers will not honor the warranty unless it was a built for retail drive.

That is a pig ignorant lie. You wont be able to cite anyone else with that stupid requirement.

> You must in this situation return the drive thru the small reseller you bought it from.

Wrong with Samsung, WD, Hitachi etc etc etc

> Most the time these bare drives in static bags were
> meant for system integrators to build into their pc systems

Wrong, as always.

> and as such have no warranty thru Seagate to the end home customer.

Then dont buy a seagate drive, stupid.

> http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/cr...DocId=202271#6

> Q. Why do I have to go back to my place of purchase
> to return a drive that was sold as a system component?

A bare drive was NOT sold as a system component.
Those are drives that come with a system you buy.

> A. Seagate sells many drives to direct customers who use them as a
> computer system component. In these cases, the Limited Warranty only
> extends to Seagate's direct customers and is not assignable or transferable.

Then dont buy a seagate drive.

> See AnswerID: 169851 for more information.

> http://support.wdc.com/warranty/poli...pe=res&lang=en

> Warranty Policy and Limitations

> No limited warranty is provided by WD unless your WD Product ("Product")
> was purchased from an authorized distributor or authorized reseller.

Thats not legal in my country.

> Distributors may sell Products to resellers who then sell Products to end users.
> Please see below for warranty information or obtaining service. No warranty
> service is provided unless the Product is returned to an authorized return
> center in the region (warranty regions are identified as Canada, U.S.A., Latin
> America, Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia Pacific, India and Thailand) where
> the Product was first shipped by WD, which may have regional specific
> warranty implications.

Yeah, like in Australia that is legally null and void.

> If your Product was purchased as a component integrated within a system by a
> system manufacturer, no limited warranty is provided by WD. Please contact the
> place of purchase or the system manufacturer directly for warranty service.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, "Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>GMAN wrote
>> Rod Speed <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>>> GMAN wrote
>>>> JimR <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>
>>>>> What is the difference between a bare drive vs. one
>>>>> that appears to be in consumer packaging? Is it just the
>>>>> packaging. For 5 bux difference, I can skip the glossy box.
>
>>>> Alot of times the bare drive only has a warranty thru who sold it to you.
>
>>> Hardly ever, actually.
>
>> Exactly, many require you to buy a stupid warranty to cover the drive if at
> all.
>
>Hardly any do, actually. Newegg certainly doesnt.
>
>> That is what this reseller does. He is a cheap ass ripoff artist
>> http://www.ebccomputers.com/
>
>Then deal with someone else, stupid.
>
>>>> In other words, if it was a bare drive meant to be installed in dell
> computers or a
>>>> manufacturer, and you buy that drive from some street vender or strip mall
> store,
>
>>>> you might be out of luck if they go out of business or dont backup their
> drives.
>
>>> And that hardly ever is the case.
>
>> The reseller is under no requirement by say Seagate to
>> cover the drives that were meant to be sold only to rebuilders.
>
>That isnt the case with bare drives.
>
>> I had a 750GB Seagate drive go south and EBC computers in
>> Salt Lake City would not replace it, And seagate said it wouldnt
>> either due to it being a reseller drive, and not retail packaged.
>
>And you were stupid enough to not use the small claims court to **** over EBC.
>
>And stupid enough to buy a Seagate drive when they have the stupid approach
> too.
>
>All of Samsung, WD, Hitachi etc etc etc will replace the drive if its failed in
> warranty.
>

Not if the drive was meant to be sold to manufacturers who build systems. Try
taking a drive out of a name brand computer and type in tghe numbers in the
online WD website and see what it tells you. it "WILL" tell you to deal with
the PC manufacturer.

What my point i am trying to get across is, many of these small resellers are
selling you drives that were not meant for direct end user purchase. These
drives carry NO warranty whatsoever directly between the end user and say WD,
Samsung etc and the WILL NOT cover the warranty if you buy such a drive.


endlessly spewing here that it is not the case is just making you sound like
you are too ****ing lazy to verify this yourself with WD.




>>>> If you buy a retail package drive , you get the full warranty of the
> manufacturer.
>
>>> You do with bare drives most of the time too.

NO you don't. Not if they are not retail opackaged and are meant for sale to
rebuilders only.

>
>> Bull **** look at seagates own FAQ at the URL below for the proof.
>
>Thats just ONE manfacturer. Have a look at the others, they dont say that.
>
>> Most drive manufacturers will not honor the warranty unless it was a built
> for retail drive.
>
>That is a pig ignorant lie. You wont be able to cite anyone else with that
> stupid requirement.

Right on the label of my 750GB Seagate drive, it states


"This drive is manufactured by Seagate for
OEM distribution. For product information
or technical support, please contact your
system OEM."


>> You must in this situation return the drive thru the small reseller you
> bought it from.
>
>Wrong with Samsung, WD, Hitachi etc etc etc
>
>> Most the time these bare drives in static bags were
>> meant for system integrators to build into their pc systems
>
>Wrong, as always.

**** you as always.

>
>> and as such have no warranty thru Seagate to the end home customer.
>
>Then dont buy a seagate drive, stupid.
>
>> http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/cr...DocId=202271#6
>
>> Q. Why do I have to go back to my place of purchase
>> to return a drive that was sold as a system component?
>
>A bare drive was NOT sold as a system component.
>Those are drives that come with a system you buy.
>
>> A. Seagate sells many drives to direct customers who use them as a
>> computer system component. In these cases, the Limited Warranty only
>> extends to Seagate's direct customers and is not assignable or transferable.
>
>Then dont buy a seagate drive.
>
>> See AnswerID: 169851 for more information.
>
>> http://support.wdc.com/warranty/poli...pe=res&lang=en
>
>> Warranty Policy and Limitations
>
>> No limited warranty is provided by WD unless your WD Product ("Product")
>> was purchased from an authorized distributor or authorized reseller.
>
>Thats not legal in my country.
>
>> Distributors may sell Products to resellers who then sell Products to end
> users.
>> Please see below for warranty information or obtaining service. No warranty
>> service is provided unless the Product is returned to an authorized return
>> center in the region (warranty regions are identified as Canada, U.S.A.,
> Latin
>> America, Europe, Middle East, Africa, Asia Pacific, India and Thailand) where
>> the Product was first shipped by WD, which may have regional specific
>> warranty implications.
>
>Yeah, like in Australia that is legally null and void.
>

> If your Product was purchased as a component integrated within a system by a
>> system manufacturer, no limited warranty is provided by WD. Please contact
> the
>> place of purchase or the system manufacturer directly for warranty service.
>
>