Heres the whole idiotic story.

I was swapping two 9600s the other night I have in two of my extra
PCs. One is a flashable 9600 Pro/Xt the other is a 9600 nonpro.

Well I forgot that I had put the 9600 in my compaq and DUHHHHHHH which
usually has the Pro which everyione says is really an XT which I flash
to an XT. I saw 9600 in ATI tools when I was testing it and for some
bizarre reason I thought it had reverted back to even lower 9600
status. Yup moronic.

So I decide to reflash it to XT level and of course it promptly now
shows up dead. It was then of course I remember DUHHHHHH I swapped the
cards. I thnk it may have been one of the dumbest things Ive ever
done. I have a really bad headache now so Im using that as an excuse.


Anyway how to fix?

I have builtin graohics in the compaq but with the ATI in it - it goes
to the ATI first. Im think I could boot up then put the ATI in but Im
concerned that putting a graphics card in after its powered up may
damage something. The other is - will WINFLASH find a card thats not
being used?

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:10:47 -1000, "(E-Mail Removed)" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
>Anyway how to fix?

I might try buying a cheapo ancient PCI card. Thats the usual way to
fix but of course Id like to avoid that.

Anyone know a way to force the onboard video on while the AGP slot is
occupied?

Try to see if you could do it in bios.

Boba Vancouver

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:10:47 -1000, "(E-Mail Removed)" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Anyway how to fix?
>
> I might try buying a cheapo ancient PCI card. Thats the usual way to
> fix but of course Id like to avoid that.
>
> Anyone know a way to force the onboard video on while the AGP slot is
> occupied?

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:44:50 GMT, "Boba & Ilinka"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Try to see if you could do it in bios.
>
>Boba Vancouver
>
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:10:47 -1000, "(E-Mail Removed)" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Anyway how to fix?
>>
>> I might try buying a cheapo ancient PCI card. Thats the usual way to
>> fix but of course Id like to avoid that.
>>
>> Anyone know a way to force the onboard video on while the AGP slot is
>> occupied?

I wish you could do it in bios. They should make that mandatory.

Unfortunately all there is like many boards is a ONBOARDVIDEO/AGP
---YES or NO. I assume they mean onboard and AGP OR PCI.

I guess Ill look for one on EBAY for 10-15 bucks. The other thing I
have to worry about is some old PCI cards just dont work. I had an
ANCIENT PCI ATI card from the 90s that never seemed to work at all in
any of the system I tried them in a few years ago.

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I wish you could do it in bios. They should make that mandatory.
>
> Unfortunately all there is like many boards is a ONBOARDVIDEO/AGP
> ---YES or NO. I assume they mean onboard and AGP OR PCI.
>
> I guess Ill look for one on EBAY for 10-15 bucks. The other thing I
> have to worry about is some old PCI cards just dont work. I had an
> ANCIENT PCI ATI card from the 90s that never seemed to work at all in
> any of the system I tried them in a few years ago.

The trick I heard of was to put a in a good bios, boot up with it, swap in
the bad bios while it's running and flash it. Not sure if the 2 cards you
have are similar enough for that though. This works in motherboards because
the bios is copied to ram but I'm not sure if it would work in a video card.

The other option is to get someone to flash the bios in an flash programmer.

Michael

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:35:11 +1100, "Michael C" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I wish you could do it in bios. They should make that mandatory.
>>
>> Unfortunately all there is like many boards is a ONBOARDVIDEO/AGP
>> ---YES or NO. I assume they mean onboard and AGP OR PCI.
>>
>> I guess Ill look for one on EBAY for 10-15 bucks. The other thing I
>> have to worry about is some old PCI cards just dont work. I had an
>> ANCIENT PCI ATI card from the 90s that never seemed to work at all in
>> any of the system I tried them in a few years ago.
>
>The trick I heard of was to put a in a good bios, boot up with it, swap in
>the bad bios while it's running and flash it. Not sure if the 2 cards you
>have are similar enough for that though. This works in motherboards because
>the bios is copied to ram but I'm not sure if it would work in a video card.

I actually have another 9600XT card. But whats the chance of damaging
your card and board trying to plug a card in while its running, thats
what I want to know.

Come to think of it not a good idea. Theres weird lock on the AGP slot
on my lame SIS chipset COMPAQ board and the way the case is designed
its also very hard to slide the AGP card out. Theres a huge chance Ill
be bumping around the card while trying to remove and install it which
may cause a short in the slot.


>The other option is to get someone to flash the bios in an flash programmer.

Yeah thats a bit unpractical. These card makers should offer to do it
for small fee or sites like BAD flash.

Anyway the standard advice on the net is get an old PCI graphics card
and set your bios to PCI first which my board does have . Then flash.
I assume this is going to work as its claimed it does work in various
posts but just my luck the flasher wont be able to detect the card.

If they just had a jumper to force onboard video to work even when
there was an AGP card in the slot then there wouldnt be this hassle.

> (E-Mail Removed)rote
Heres the whole idiotic story.
>
> I was swapping two 9600s the other night I have in two of my extr
> PCs. One is a flashable 9600 Pro/Xt the other is a 9600 nonpro.
>
> Well I forgot that I had put the 9600 in my compaq and DUHHHHHH
whic
> usually has the Pro which everyione says is really an XT which
flas
> to an XT. I saw 9600 in ATI tools when I was testing it and fo
som
> bizarre reason I thought it had reverted back to even lower 960
> status. Yup moronic.
>
> So I decide to reflash it to XT level and of course it promptly no
> shows up dead. It was then of course I remember DUHHHHHH I swappe
th
> cards. I thnk it may have been one of the dumbest things Ive eve
> done. I have a really bad headache now so Im using that as a
excuse.
>
>
> Anyway how to fix?
>
> I have builtin graohics in the compaq but with the ATI in it - i
goe
> to the ATI first. Im think I could boot up then put the ATI in bu
I
> concerned that putting a graphics card in after its powered up ma
> damage something. The other is - will WINFLASH find a card that
no
> being used

I am curious, why did you flash the bios in the first place? Do yo
do this kind of thing often

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I actually have another 9600XT card. But whats the chance of damaging
> your card and board trying to plug a card in while its running, thats
> what I want to know.
>
> Come to think of it not a good idea. Theres weird lock on the AGP slot
> on my lame SIS chipset COMPAQ board and the way the case is designed
> its also very hard to slide the AGP card out. Theres a huge chance Ill
> be bumping around the card while trying to remove and install it which
> may cause a short in the slot.

I'm not suggesting changing the card, I'm suggesting changing the bios chip
while it's running. As long as you don't short anything out you shouldn't do
any damage. Just loosen the bios chip but keep it plugged in, boot up with
the good card, change the chips and flash. I'm presuming the bios chip can
be removed.

Michael

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:30:32 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)lid (dannysdailys)
wrote:

>I am curious, why did you flash the bios in the first place? Do you
>do this kind of thing often?

Because I got a 9600 Pro that Im experimenting with.

The short story is - I got a 9600 Pro that everyone said was an
underclocked XT. So people were using ATITOOL to overclock it to test
it and then flash it to a 9600xt -- 500/300.

Its noticeably faster. I tested it with qUAKE 4. There are certain
ATI models of ATI cards that can be overclocked easily and reflashed.

The DUMB part is I was switching them around in my PCs and forgot
which is which and then had a bout of temporary insanity where I
decided to flash the 9600 to a XT not the Pro ---- which is a NO NO.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:34:22 +1100, "Michael C" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I actually have another 9600XT card. But whats the chance of damaging
>> your card and board trying to plug a card in while its running, thats
>> what I want to know.
>>
>> Come to think of it not a good idea. Theres weird lock on the AGP slot
>> on my lame SIS chipset COMPAQ board and the way the case is designed
>> its also very hard to slide the AGP card out. Theres a huge chance Ill
>> be bumping around the card while trying to remove and install it which
>> may cause a short in the slot.
>
>I'm not suggesting changing the card, I'm suggesting changing the bios chip
>while it's running. As long as you don't short anything out you shouldn't do
>any damage. Just loosen the bios chip but keep it plugged in, boot up with
>the good card, change the chips and flash. I'm presuming the bios chip can
>be removed.
>
>Michael
>

Dont see one on this card. I assume its under the massive heatsink.
That would be an interesting idea if the chips were similar.