I've used Windows moviemaker to create a 5-minute video clip and save
as DV-AVI-NTSC (largest) file. The video and sound quality are
excellent when played back using windows media player.

I then drop the file into Nero Vision Express 3 to author and burn a
DVD. In the preview window, the video looks fine but the audio
contains rattling distortion on the louder passages, sort of a "blown
speaker" effect. It's as if Nero amplified the volume until the sound
started clipping.

I went ahead and burned the DVD to verify that it was not just a
preview issue - it sounds terrible on the finished product.

I tried all three of the audio options - automatic, dolby, and whatever
the other one was.

Is there some hidden setting in Nero that changes the amplitude of the
source material?

BTW, I can drop this same AVI file into Nero Burning Rom and make VCDs
and SVCDs that sound just fine.

thanks,

Martin

Martin wrote:
> I've used Windows moviemaker to create a 5-minute video clip and save
> as DV-AVI-NTSC (largest) file. The video and sound quality are
> excellent when played back using windows media player.
>
> I then drop the file into Nero Vision Express 3 to author and burn a
> DVD. In the preview window, the video looks fine but the audio
> contains rattling distortion on the louder passages, sort of a "blown
> speaker" effect. It's as if Nero amplified the volume until the sound
> started clipping.
>
> I went ahead and burned the DVD to verify that it was not just a
> preview issue - it sounds terrible on the finished product.
>
> I tried all three of the audio options - automatic, dolby, and whatever
> the other one was.
>
> Is there some hidden setting in Nero that changes the amplitude of the
> source material?
>
> BTW, I can drop this same AVI file into Nero Burning Rom and make VCDs
> and SVCDs that sound just fine.
>
> thanks,
>
> Martin

Last night I performed addtional experments, but the audio behavior is
still a mystery.

Since I had saved the original Moviemaker file that produced the AVI, I
re-saved the movie file two more times - once as DV-AVI and once as
WMV. I opened both files in media player, and they sounded identical
(good quality). I then dropped them, one at a time, into Nero Vision
Express to make a DVD. Double-clicking on the icons to open them in
the Nero editor, I found that the AVI version now had bad audio and the
WMV version maintained good audio.

I then opened an unrelated AVI file from another source (my Canon S1IS
camera) in Media Player, verified good audio, dropped it into Nero
Vision Express, and noted that the audio was still good.

So, Nero doesn't have a problem with AVI files in general, but
apparently AVI files that are output by Moviemaker don't maintain audio
quality when dropped into Nero Vision Express. WMV files output by
Moviemaker work fine in Nero, though.

I have also now verified this behavior on two different computers, at
home and at work.

I also located the volume slider in Vision Express and played with it,
but lovering the volume did not affect the relative amount of
distortion. Apparently the problem has already occured before that
step in processing.

best regards,

Martin

On 25 Aug 2006 08:17:38 -0700, "Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>So, Nero doesn't have a problem with AVI files in general, but
>apparently AVI files that are output by Moviemaker don't maintain audio
>quality when dropped into Nero Vision Express. WMV files output by
>Moviemaker work fine in Nero, though.

What version of NVE are you running?


--
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:24:31 -0700, Neil Maxwell
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On 25 Aug 2006 08:17:38 -0700, "Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>>So, Nero doesn't have a problem with AVI files in general, but
>>apparently AVI files that are output by Moviemaker don't maintain audio
>>quality when dropped into Nero Vision Express. WMV files output by
>>Moviemaker work fine in Nero, though.
>
>What version of NVE are you running?

Ooops. Sorry, just re-read the original - NVE3.

Curious - be sure to keep us posted!


--
Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer

Hi Martin,

On 25 Aug 2006 08:17:38 -0700, "Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
> Martin wrote:
> > I've used Windows moviemaker to create a 5-minute video clip and save
> > as DV-AVI-NTSC (largest) file. The video and sound quality are
> > excellent when played back using windows media player.
> >
> > I then drop the file into Nero Vision Express 3 to author and burn a
> > DVD. In the preview window, the video looks fine but the audio
> > contains rattling distortion on the louder passages, sort of a "blown
> > speaker" effect. It's as if Nero amplified the volume until the sound
> > started clipping.
> >
> > I went ahead and burned the DVD to verify that it was not just a
> > preview issue - it sounds terrible on the finished product.
> >
> > I tried all three of the audio options - automatic, dolby, and whatever
> > the other one was.
> >
> > Is there some hidden setting in Nero that changes the amplitude of the
> > source material?
> >
> > BTW, I can drop this same AVI file into Nero Burning Rom and make VCDs
> > and SVCDs that sound just fine.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Martin
>
> Last night I performed addtional experments, but the audio behavior is
> still a mystery.
>
> Since I had saved the original Moviemaker file that produced the AVI, I
> re-saved the movie file two more times - once as DV-AVI and once as
> WMV. I opened both files in media player, and they sounded identical
> (good quality). I then dropped them, one at a time, into Nero Vision
> Express to make a DVD. Double-clicking on the icons to open them in
> the Nero editor, I found that the AVI version now had bad audio and the
> WMV version maintained good audio.
>
> I then opened an unrelated AVI file from another source (my Canon S1IS
> camera) in Media Player, verified good audio, dropped it into Nero
> Vision Express, and noted that the audio was still good.
>
> So, Nero doesn't have a problem with AVI files in general, but
> apparently AVI files that are output by Moviemaker don't maintain audio
> quality when dropped into Nero Vision Express. WMV files output by
> Moviemaker work fine in Nero, though.
>
> I have also now verified this behavior on two different computers, at
> home and at work.
>
> I also located the volume slider in Vision Express and played with it,
> but lovering the volume did not affect the relative amount of
> distortion. Apparently the problem has already occured before that
> step in processing.
>
> best regards,
>
> Martin

Well, it'd seem we'd have to determine just what is different 'tween the
MovieMaker & unRelated AVI's, no?

Do you have GSpot v2.52 beta 1?
(apparently v2.60 is in the offing, sometime)

> MAIN PAGE http://gspot.headbands.com
> v2.52 b1 page http://gspot.headbands.com/gspot252dl.html

Install (if not already)
Start GSPOT - MenuBar - Options (click) - Export (click)

Export Setup
General - Enable export[*]
Format - (*) Custom, using format file below
[ {default has a file where you installed GSpot} ]
Output - (however, you want to do it) I have:
- Allow overwrite[*]
- (*) One file per AVI (autoname & location)
[ OK ]

MenuBar - File - OPEN AVI #1
Presto Magico a .txt file is outputted to the same folder as the AVI #1

Repeat steps for AVI #2

(after you've exported the two in question, goback and disable Export)
(in GSpot, unless you want a whole bunch of these everytime you open )

Open the AVI #1 text file w/your flavorite TEXT Editor (wordwrap OFF)
Highlight ALL and COPY ..then PASTE as a QUOTE into your NewsReader
Like this:

(the DEAL is some NewsReaders will NOT word wrap if its QUOTED text)

AVI #1 (movie maker) ..then do same with (un-related)

> --- File Information ---
> File Name: AVI_1.avi
> File Name (with full path): {your path to file}\ AVI_1.avi
> File Size (in bytes): 368,728,064
>
> --- Container Information ---
> Base Type (e.g "AVI"): AVI(.AVI)
> Subtype (e.g "OpenDML"): OpenDML (AVI v2.0),
> Interleave (in ms): 42
> Preload (in ms): 504
> Audio alignment("split across interleaves"): Aligned
> Total System Bitrate (kbps): 0
> Bytes Missing (if any): 0
> Number of Audio Streams: 1
>
> --- Video Information ---
> Video Codec Type(e.g. "DIV3"): xvid
> Video Codec Name(e.g. "DivX 3, Low-Motion"): XviD
> Video Codec Status(e.g. "Codec Is Installed"): Codec(s) are Installed
> Duration (hh:mm:ss): 00:42:57
> Frame Count: 61781
> Frame Width (pixels): 624
> Frame Height (pixels): 352
> Frame Aspect Ratio (e.g "1.3333"):
> Frame Aspect Ratio (e.g. "4:3"):
> Pixel Aspect Ratio ("SAR"):
> Display Aspect Ratio ("DAR"): 1.773
> Frames Per Second: 23.976 fps
> Video Bitrate (kbps): 1010
> MPEG-4 ("MPEG-4" or ""): MPEG-4
> B-VOP ("B-VOP" or ""): B-VOP
> QPel ("QPel" or ""):
> GMC ("GMC" or ""):
> H264 ("H264" or ""):
>
> MPEG-2 ("MPEG-2" or ""):
> Interlaced ("I/L" or ""):
> Progressive ("Prog" or ""):
> Top Frame First ("TFF" or ""):
> Bottom Frame First ("BFF" or ""):
> 3:2 Pulldown ("3:2" or ""):
> Picture-per-field ("PPF" or ""):
>
> - Aspect Ratio Related:
>
> Broadcast standard: "PAL" (else blank)
> Broadcast standard: "NTSC" (else blank)
> src:"VCD", "SVCD", "CVD", or "DVD (else blank):
> Instructions to convert to VCD, first part:
> Instructions to convert to VCD, second part:
> Instructions to convert to SVCD, first part:
> Instructions to convert to SVCD, second part:
> Instructions to convert to CVD, first part:
> Instructions to convert to CVD, second part:
> Instructions to convert to DVD, first part:
> Instructions to convert to DVD, second part:
> Instructions to convert to AVI, first part:
> Instructions to convert to AVI, second part:
>
> --- Audio Information ---
> MPEG Stream ID (e.g. "0xbd"):
> MPEG VOB file Substream(e.g. "0x80"):
> Audio Codec (e.g. "AC3"): 0x0055(MP3, ISO) MPEG-1 Layer 3
> Audio Codec Status (e.g. "Codec Is Installed"): Codec(s) are Installed
> Audio Sample Rate (Hz): 48000
> Audio Bitrate(kbps): 128
> Audio Bitrate Type ("CBR" or "VBR"): CBR
> Audio Channel Count (e.g. "2" for stereo): 2

It's probably the only way anybody 'might' be able to tell. OR at least
allow you to see a DIFFERENCE and then change whatever setting you need
to in MovieMaker to allow those outputted AVI's to thereafter be Encoded
to DVD by Nero Vision Express 3.

Kronk

I'm beginning to think that MovieMaker's AVI output files are somehow
different from most other avi files, in a way that makes them
incompatible with other software.

In addition to the sound-quality issues when dropped into Nero, I've
now found another odd compatiblity issue with an XviD converter.

I've been using Auto Gordian Knot to compress avi files for archival,
so that they don't fill up my hard drive so fast. I've now discovered
that avi files made by moviemaker are not compatible. When I select a
MM-generated avi file in AutoGK, it sees the file as zero width/height
and zero frame rate. All other avi files (non-MovieMaker) I have tried
seem to work fine.

best regards,

Martin

Martin wrote:
> I've used Windows moviemaker to create a 5-minute video clip and save
> as DV-AVI-NTSC (largest) file. The video and sound quality are
> excellent when played back using windows media player.
>
> I then drop the file into Nero Vision Express 3 to author and burn a
> DVD. In the preview window, the video looks fine but the audio
> contains rattling distortion on the louder passages, sort of a "blown
> speaker" effect. It's as if Nero amplified the volume until the sound
> started clipping.
>
> I went ahead and burned the DVD to verify that it was not just a
> preview issue - it sounds terrible on the finished product.
>
> I tried all three of the audio options - automatic, dolby, and whatever
> the other one was.
>
> Is there some hidden setting in Nero that changes the amplitude of the
> source material?
>
> BTW, I can drop this same AVI file into Nero Burning Rom and make VCDs
> and SVCDs that sound just fine.
>
> thanks,
>
> Martin

I downloaded gspot and ran it, but it does not seem to have the same
options as yours. However, it did illustrate the issue I'm now seeing
with Moviemaker AVI files in the Gordian Knot XviD converter. Here's a
screen capture of the gspot output:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/funky_...e2.jpg&.src=ph

Notice that all sorts of stuff seems to be out of kilter - no runtime,
no bitrate, no x/y dimensions, no frame rate, no audio channels, etc.
Yet the file itself plays just fine. It just produces distorted audio
if you try to use it in NVE, and won't work at all if you try to use
Gordian Knot to make an XviD out of it. The DivX converter (from
divx.com) accepts it just fine, though, and the resulting DivX file has
good audio and good video..

Martin

Kronk wrote:
> Hi Martin,
>
> On 25 Aug 2006 08:17:38 -0700, "Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Martin wrote:
> > > I've used Windows moviemaker to create a 5-minute video clip and save
> > > as DV-AVI-NTSC (largest) file. The video and sound quality are
> > > excellent when played back using windows media player.
> > >
> > > I then drop the file into Nero Vision Express 3 to author and burn a
> > > DVD. In the preview window, the video looks fine but the audio
> > > contains rattling distortion on the louder passages, sort of a "blown
> > > speaker" effect. It's as if Nero amplified the volume until the sound
> > > started clipping.
> > >
> > > I went ahead and burned the DVD to verify that it was not just a
> > > preview issue - it sounds terrible on the finished product.
> > >
> > > I tried all three of the audio options - automatic, dolby, and whatever
> > > the other one was.
> > >
> > > Is there some hidden setting in Nero that changes the amplitude of the
> > > source material?
> > >
> > > BTW, I can drop this same AVI file into Nero Burning Rom and make VCDs
> > > and SVCDs that sound just fine.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > Martin
> >
> > Last night I performed addtional experments, but the audio behavior is
> > still a mystery.
> >
> > Since I had saved the original Moviemaker file that produced the AVI, I
> > re-saved the movie file two more times - once as DV-AVI and once as
> > WMV. I opened both files in media player, and they sounded identical
> > (good quality). I then dropped them, one at a time, into Nero Vision
> > Express to make a DVD. Double-clicking on the icons to open them in
> > the Nero editor, I found that the AVI version now had bad audio and the
> > WMV version maintained good audio.
> >
> > I then opened an unrelated AVI file from another source (my Canon S1IS
> > camera) in Media Player, verified good audio, dropped it into Nero
> > Vision Express, and noted that the audio was still good.
> >
> > So, Nero doesn't have a problem with AVI files in general, but
> > apparently AVI files that are output by Moviemaker don't maintain audio
> > quality when dropped into Nero Vision Express. WMV files output by
> > Moviemaker work fine in Nero, though.
> >
> > I have also now verified this behavior on two different computers, at
> > home and at work.
> >
> > I also located the volume slider in Vision Express and played with it,
> > but lovering the volume did not affect the relative amount of
> > distortion. Apparently the problem has already occured before that
> > step in processing.
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > Martin
>
> Well, it'd seem we'd have to determine just what is different 'tween the
> MovieMaker & unRelated AVI's, no?
>
> Do you have GSpot v2.52 beta 1?
> (apparently v2.60 is in the offing, sometime)
>
> > MAIN PAGE http://gspot.headbands.com
> > v2.52 b1 page http://gspot.headbands.com/gspot252dl.html
>
> Install (if not already)
> Start GSPOT - MenuBar - Options (click) - Export (click)
>
> Export Setup
> General - Enable export[*]
> Format - (*) Custom, using format file below
> [ {default has a file where you installed GSpot} ]
> Output - (however, you want to do it) I have:
> - Allow overwrite[*]
> - (*) One file per AVI (autoname & location)
> [ OK ]
>
> MenuBar - File - OPEN AVI #1
> Presto Magico a .txt file is outputted to the same folder as the AVI #1
>
> Repeat steps for AVI #2
>
> (after you've exported the two in question, goback and disable Export)
> (in GSpot, unless you want a whole bunch of these everytime you open )
>
> Open the AVI #1 text file w/your flavorite TEXT Editor (wordwrap OFF)
> Highlight ALL and COPY ..then PASTE as a QUOTE into your NewsReader
> Like this:
>
> (the DEAL is some NewsReaders will NOT word wrap if its QUOTED text)
>
> AVI #1 (movie maker) ..then do same with (un-related)
>
> > --- File Information ---
> > File Name: AVI_1.avi
> > File Name (with full path): {your path to file}\ AVI_1.avi
> > File Size (in bytes): 368,728,064
> >
> > --- Container Information ---
> > Base Type (e.g "AVI"): AVI(.AVI)
> > Subtype (e.g "OpenDML"): OpenDML (AVI v2.0),
> > Interleave (in ms): 42
> > Preload (in ms): 504
> > Audio alignment("split across interleaves"): Aligned
> > Total System Bitrate (kbps): 0
> > Bytes Missing (if any): 0
> > Number of Audio Streams: 1
> >
> > --- Video Information ---
> > Video Codec Type(e.g. "DIV3"): xvid
> > Video Codec Name(e.g. "DivX 3, Low-Motion"): XviD
> > Video Codec Status(e.g. "Codec Is Installed"): Codec(s) are Installed
> > Duration (hh:mm:ss): 00:42:57
> > Frame Count: 61781
> > Frame Width (pixels): 624
> > Frame Height (pixels): 352
> > Frame Aspect Ratio (e.g "1.3333"):
> > Frame Aspect Ratio (e.g. "4:3"):
> > Pixel Aspect Ratio ("SAR"):
> > Display Aspect Ratio ("DAR"): 1.773
> > Frames Per Second: 23.976 fps
> > Video Bitrate (kbps): 1010
> > MPEG-4 ("MPEG-4" or ""): MPEG-4
> > B-VOP ("B-VOP" or ""): B-VOP
> > QPel ("QPel" or ""):
> > GMC ("GMC" or ""):
> > H264 ("H264" or ""):
> >
> > MPEG-2 ("MPEG-2" or ""):
> > Interlaced ("I/L" or ""):
> > Progressive ("Prog" or ""):
> > Top Frame First ("TFF" or ""):
> > Bottom Frame First ("BFF" or ""):
> > 3:2 Pulldown ("3:2" or ""):
> > Picture-per-field ("PPF" or ""):
> >
> > - Aspect Ratio Related:
> >
> > Broadcast standard: "PAL" (else blank)
> > Broadcast standard: "NTSC" (else blank)
> > src:"VCD", "SVCD", "CVD", or "DVD (else blank):
> > Instructions to convert to VCD, first part:
> > Instructions to convert to VCD, second part:
> > Instructions to convert to SVCD, first part:
> > Instructions to convert to SVCD, second part:
> > Instructions to convert to CVD, first part:
> > Instructions to convert to CVD, second part:
> > Instructions to convert to DVD, first part:
> > Instructions to convert to DVD, second part:
> > Instructions to convert to AVI, first part:
> > Instructions to convert to AVI, second part:
> >
> > --- Audio Information ---
> > MPEG Stream ID (e.g. "0xbd"):
> > MPEG VOB file Substream(e.g. "0x80"):
> > Audio Codec (e.g. "AC3"): 0x0055(MP3, ISO) MPEG-1 Layer 3
> > Audio Codec Status (e.g. "Codec Is Installed"): Codec(s) are Installed
> > Audio Sample Rate (Hz): 48000
> > Audio Bitrate(kbps): 128
> > Audio Bitrate Type ("CBR" or "VBR"): CBR
> > Audio Channel Count (e.g. "2" for stereo): 2
>
> It's probably the only way anybody 'might' be able to tell. OR at least
> allow you to see a DIFFERENCE and then change whatever setting you need
> to in MovieMaker to allow those outputted AVI's to thereafter be Encoded
> to DVD by Nero Vision Express 3.
>
> Kronk

Hi Martin,

On 29 Aug 2006 16:28:33 -0700, "Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

> I downloaded gspot and ran it, but it does not seem to have the same
> options as yours.

You did DL the v2.52 beta 1?

> However, it did illustrate the issue I'm now seeing
> with Moviemaker AVI files in the Gordian Knot XviD converter. Here's a
> screen capture of the gspot output:
>
> http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/funky_...e2.jpg&.src=ph

Couldn't see the page ..it said:

| The File You Are Looking For Is Inaccessible
| Please sign in and try again or check with the owner of the file.

I don't have any sort of account there.

>
> Notice that all sorts of stuff seems to be out of kilter - no runtime,
> no bitrate, no x/y dimensions, no frame rate, no audio channels, etc.
> Yet the file itself plays just fine. It just produces distorted audio
> if you try to use it in NVE, and won't work at all if you try to use
> Gordian Knot to make an XviD out of it. The DivX converter (from
> divx.com) accepts it just fine, though, and the resulting DivX file has
> good audio and good video..
>
> Martin

SO you can get something outputted / converted that'll thereafter be
processed OK by NVE 3. Just don't like the extra step, if so, I
understand. I've never used MovieMaker. So I can't profess to know of
any ins and outs about it.

I'd probably use VirtualDubMod to create/capture an AVI
TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress to encode/output a DVD mpeg from the AVI
Take the DVD mpeg and use TMPGEnc DVD Author to create the .IFO .BUP
..VOB's in a folder which has the subfolders AUDIO_TS & VIDEO_TS. Then
allow TMPGEnc load up the app it uses to BURN it to a DVD disc.

Though, at this point, you could choose NERO Burning Rom to BURN a 'DVD
Video' with those files in the VIDEO_TS folder, if you'd rather.

Extra info about usage of GSpot
Hmm, once the AVI is loaded you can try rendering. (I guess that what
its called)

(down at the bottom) Proposed Codec Solutions and Tests

MS A/V [1] & [2] To the right it'll list 'stuff'

Place your mouse pointer/hover over individual items. It'll list whats
being used to 'attempt' to play it.

Something ELSE,
MenuBar - System - List Codecs and other files.

You can use this to scroll down and see if any are shown in RED. ie
something wrong. It could be something missing and needs to be
re-registered in the Registry. OR a had a bad removal of registry
key(s) where part of it got removed but, another part didn't, (seems
they are always in PAIRS) then ends up being show here/there in the
listing but, its really not effecting anything ..just clutter. Only way
to know though, is to back up that Key and then Delete the key. If,
nothing BALKS at its removal. It OK that you removed it. If something
does BALK at it.. then MERGE it back into the registry.

Anyway, those two things (rendering it and checking the Codecs & other
files) might also shed some light on the problem.

Well, that is some extra stuff perhaps getting away from the main
intent. but, some of this in only available in GSpot 2.52 beta 1

Kronk

P.S. Do have a "ExportFormat.txt" file in the GSpot folder?
That is what generated that Export text I pasted in the
previous message... when CUSTOM is selected.

OK, I made two mistakes (was in a rush). First, I forgot to share the
folder publicly - now you should just be able to click on my link and
see my Gspot output. Second, I did manage to DL the wrong version of
Gspot. Please take a look at what I posted yesterday, meanwhile I'll
try to follow your suggestions to the letter and get new information
today.

Be patient, as I am not an expert in the inner workings of video
software, even some of the terminology is unfamiliar at this point.
Your original post to me was sort of beyond my experience, and I had to
do some reading just to figure out what Gspot was all about Then I
followed someone else's link to a download, without looking back at
your version number.

best regards,

Martin

Kronk wrote:
> Hi Martin,
>
> On 29 Aug 2006 16:28:33 -0700, "Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> > I downloaded gspot and ran it, but it does not seem to have the same
> > options as yours.
>
> You did DL the v2.52 beta 1?
>
> > However, it did illustrate the issue I'm now seeing
> > with Moviemaker AVI files in the Gordian Knot XviD converter. Here's a
> > screen capture of the gspot output:
> >
> > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/funky_...e2.jpg&.src=ph
>
> Couldn't see the page ..it said:
>
> | The File You Are Looking For Is Inaccessible
> | Please sign in and try again or check with the owner of the file.
>
> I don't have any sort of account there.
>
> >
> > Notice that all sorts of stuff seems to be out of kilter - no runtime,
> > no bitrate, no x/y dimensions, no frame rate, no audio channels, etc.
> > Yet the file itself plays just fine. It just produces distorted audio
> > if you try to use it in NVE, and won't work at all if you try to use
> > Gordian Knot to make an XviD out of it. The DivX converter (from
> > divx.com) accepts it just fine, though, and the resulting DivX file has
> > good audio and good video..
> >
> > Martin
>
> SO you can get something outputted / converted that'll thereafter be
> processed OK by NVE 3. Just don't like the extra step, if so, I
> understand. I've never used MovieMaker. So I can't profess to know of
> any ins and outs about it.
>
> I'd probably use VirtualDubMod to create/capture an AVI
> TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress to encode/output a DVD mpeg from the AVI
> Take the DVD mpeg and use TMPGEnc DVD Author to create the .IFO .BUP
> .VOB's in a folder which has the subfolders AUDIO_TS & VIDEO_TS. Then
> allow TMPGEnc load up the app it uses to BURN it to a DVD disc.
>
> Though, at this point, you could choose NERO Burning Rom to BURN a 'DVD
> Video' with those files in the VIDEO_TS folder, if you'd rather.
>
> Extra info about usage of GSpot
> Hmm, once the AVI is loaded you can try rendering. (I guess that what
> its called)
>
> (down at the bottom) Proposed Codec Solutions and Tests
>
> MS A/V [1] & [2] To the right it'll list 'stuff'
>
> Place your mouse pointer/hover over individual items. It'll list whats
> being used to 'attempt' to play it.
>
> Something ELSE,
> MenuBar - System - List Codecs and other files.
>
> You can use this to scroll down and see if any are shown in RED. ie
> something wrong. It could be something missing and needs to be
> re-registered in the Registry. OR a had a bad removal of registry
> key(s) where part of it got removed but, another part didn't, (seems
> they are always in PAIRS) then ends up being show here/there in the
> listing but, its really not effecting anything ..just clutter. Only way
> to know though, is to back up that Key and then Delete the key. If,
> nothing BALKS at its removal. It OK that you removed it. If something
> does BALK at it.. then MERGE it back into the registry.
>
> Anyway, those two things (rendering it and checking the Codecs & other
> files) might also shed some light on the problem.
>
> Well, that is some extra stuff perhaps getting away from the main
> intent. but, some of this in only available in GSpot 2.52 beta 1
>
> Kronk
>
> P.S. Do have a "ExportFormat.txt" file in the GSpot folder?
> That is what generated that Export text I pasted in the
> previous message... when CUSTOM is selected.

Here it is - in a manner similar to the output from the other version
of Gspot, this one only seems to see a very limited amount of info.
There is still zero bitrate and zero frame rate, which seems to be the
reason that Gordian Knot XviD won't accept it. But for some reason,
players and the DivX converter accept it just fine. And, as previously
mentioned, Video Express accepts it but outputs a DVD (MPEG-2?) result
with damaged audio.

best regards,

Martin

--- File Information ---

File Name: Turn Back The Hands Of
Time Video.avi
File Name (with full path): C:\Documents and
Settings\mjones\Desktop\Turn Back The Hands Of Time Video.avi

File Size (in bytes): 359,508,992



--- Container Information ---

Base Type (e.g "AVI"): AVI(.AVI)

Subtype (e.g "OpenDML"): OpenDML (AVI v2.0),

Interleave (in ms):
Preload (in ms):
Audio alignment("split across interleaves"):
Total System Bitrate (kbps): 0
Bytes Missing (if any): 0
Number of Audio Streams: 0


--- Video Information ---

Video Codec Type(e.g. "DIV3"):
Video Codec Name(e.g. "DivX 3, Low-Motion"):
Video Codec Status(e.g. "Codec Is Installed"):
Duration (hh:mm:ss):
Frame Count:
Frame Width (pixels):
Frame Height (pixels):
Frame Aspect Ratio (e.g "1.3333"):
Frame Aspect Ratio (e.g. "4:3"):
Pixel Aspect Ratio ("SAR"):
Display Aspect Ratio ("DAR"):
Frames Per Second: ***ERROR***

Video Bitrate (kbps):
MPEG-4 ("MPEG-4" or ""):
B-VOP ("B-VOP" or ""):
QPel ("QPel" or ""):
GMC ("GMC" or ""):
H264 ("H264" or ""):


MPEG-2 ("MPEG-2" or ""):
Interlaced ("I/L" or ""):
Progressive ("Prog" or ""):
Top Frame First ("TFF" or ""):
Bottom Frame First ("BFF" or ""):
3:2 Pulldown ("3:2" or ""):
Picture-per-field ("PPF" or ""):


- Aspect Ratio Related:



Broadcast standard: "PAL" (else blank)
Broadcast standard: "NTSC" (else blank)
src:"VCD", "SVCD", "CVD", or "DVD (else blank):
Instructions to convert to VCD, first part:
Instructions to convert to VCD, second part:
Instructions to convert to SVCD, first part:
Instructions to convert to SVCD, second part:
Instructions to convert to CVD, first part:
Instructions to convert to CVD, second part:
Instructions to convert to DVD, first part:
Instructions to convert to DVD, second part:
Instructions to convert to AVI, first part:
Instructions to convert to AVI, second part:


--- Audio Information ---

MPEG Stream ID (e.g. "0xbd"):
MPEG VOB file Substream(e.g. "0x80"):
Audio Codec (e.g. "AC3"):
Audio Codec Status (e.g. "Codec Is Installed"):
Audio Sample Rate (Hz):
Audio Bitrate(kbps):
Audio Bitrate Type ("CBR" or "VBR"):
Audio Channel Count (e.g. "2" for stereo):

Martin wrote:
> OK, I made two mistakes (was in a rush). First, I forgot to share the
> folder publicly - now you should just be able to click on my link and
> see my Gspot output. Second, I did manage to DL the wrong version of
> Gspot. Please take a look at what I posted yesterday, meanwhile I'll
> try to follow your suggestions to the letter and get new information
> today.
>
> Be patient, as I am not an expert in the inner workings of video
> software, even some of the terminology is unfamiliar at this point.
> Your original post to me was sort of beyond my experience, and I had to
> do some reading just to figure out what Gspot was all about Then I
> followed someone else's link to a download, without looking back at
> your version number.
>
> best regards,
>
> Martin
>
> Kronk wrote:
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > On 29 Aug 2006 16:28:33 -0700, "Martin" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I downloaded gspot and ran it, but it does not seem to have the same
> > > options as yours.
> >
> > You did DL the v2.52 beta 1?
> >
> > > However, it did illustrate the issue I'm now seeing
> > > with Moviemaker AVI files in the Gordian Knot XviD converter. Here's a
> > > screen capture of the gspot output:
> > >
> > > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/funky_...e2.jpg&.src=ph
> >
> > Couldn't see the page ..it said:
> >
> > | The File You Are Looking For Is Inaccessible
> > | Please sign in and try again or check with the owner of the file.
> >
> > I don't have any sort of account there.
> >
> > >
> > > Notice that all sorts of stuff seems to be out of kilter - no runtime,
> > > no bitrate, no x/y dimensions, no frame rate, no audio channels, etc.
> > > Yet the file itself plays just fine. It just produces distorted audio
> > > if you try to use it in NVE, and won't work at all if you try to use
> > > Gordian Knot to make an XviD out of it. The DivX converter (from
> > > divx.com) accepts it just fine, though, and the resulting DivX file has
> > > good audio and good video..
> > >
> > > Martin
> >
> > SO you can get something outputted / converted that'll thereafter be
> > processed OK by NVE 3. Just don't like the extra step, if so, I
> > understand. I've never used MovieMaker. So I can't profess to know of
> > any ins and outs about it.
> >
> > I'd probably use VirtualDubMod to create/capture an AVI
> > TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress to encode/output a DVD mpeg from the AVI
> > Take the DVD mpeg and use TMPGEnc DVD Author to create the .IFO .BUP
> > .VOB's in a folder which has the subfolders AUDIO_TS & VIDEO_TS. Then
> > allow TMPGEnc load up the app it uses to BURN it to a DVD disc.
> >
> > Though, at this point, you could choose NERO Burning Rom to BURN a 'DVD
> > Video' with those files in the VIDEO_TS folder, if you'd rather.
> >
> > Extra info about usage of GSpot
> > Hmm, once the AVI is loaded you can try rendering. (I guess that what
> > its called)
> >
> > (down at the bottom) Proposed Codec Solutions and Tests
> >
> > MS A/V [1] & [2] To the right it'll list 'stuff'
> >
> > Place your mouse pointer/hover over individual items. It'll list whats
> > being used to 'attempt' to play it.
> >
> > Something ELSE,
> > MenuBar - System - List Codecs and other files.
> >
> > You can use this to scroll down and see if any are shown in RED. ie
> > something wrong. It could be something missing and needs to be
> > re-registered in the Registry. OR a had a bad removal of registry
> > key(s) where part of it got removed but, another part didn't, (seems
> > they are always in PAIRS) then ends up being show here/there in the
> > listing but, its really not effecting anything ..just clutter. Only way
> > to know though, is to back up that Key and then Delete the key. If,
> > nothing BALKS at its removal. It OK that you removed it. If something
> > does BALK at it.. then MERGE it back into the registry.
> >
> > Anyway, those two things (rendering it and checking the Codecs & other
> > files) might also shed some light on the problem.
> >
> > Well, that is some extra stuff perhaps getting away from the main
> > intent. but, some of this in only available in GSpot 2.52 beta 1
> >
> > Kronk
> >
> > P.S. Do have a "ExportFormat.txt" file in the GSpot folder?
> > That is what generated that Export text I pasted in the
> > previous message... when CUSTOM is selected.