[PotGuy]

What do you all think?

I got a rather vitriolic letter through against AV, saying that it was going to cost £250m, the equivalent cost of 5000000 nurses, teachers, 3000000000 baby incubators and the usual rubbish.

As far as I am concerned, it is the closest to PR we are going to get for another 40 years and it should be taken with both hands. Once things go back to Labour/Tory normality it will be an impossibility.

I recall the 1997 Labour PR pledge too

[floppybootstomp]

Uh-oh, politics, we be on dodgy ground

I had that same leaflet as well, plus enough literature on the subject to keep a paper mill going for a week.

This is purely my POV but all PR will do is allow fringe nutter parties like the BNP a chance to get their tainted foot in the door.

I'll be voting no.

As for elections I either don't vote anymore or vote for one of the fringe nutter parties just to try and shake up the main contenders a little.

Labour have been voted in here in Greenwich since the Romans ruled so it doesn't make any odds anyway.

Why don't I vote?

Warning - political POV forthcoming....

Labour died the day Tony Blair walked into 10 Downing Street.

The Lib-Dems are two faced and mould their policies to suit whichever way public opinion is flowing.

I hate the Greens with a vengenance cos they want me to go without a set of wheels and they don't have any clear cut policies other than to hug trees.

All BNP members should be placed in sacks laden with bricks and thrown into the nearest river.

And I won't vote Tory in principle, me dad would turn in his grave if I ever done that.

Told ya this could get messy...

[darkangel]

Originally Posted by floppybootstomp

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Labour have been voted in here in Greenwich since the Romans ruled so it doesn't make any odds anyway.

The exact reason why I have voted Yes

[Urmas]

Victor D'Hondt
1841-1901

[feckit]

Originally Posted by floppybootstomp

vote for one of the fringe nutter parties

The Offical Monster Raving Loonies.
Sadly we dont have them standing at the local or the general election.
I live in a Tory safe-seat, i wonder should i stand next time!

[floppybootstomp]

The way I see it - and I may be wrong - is how can you get much fairer, much simpler, than the candidate with the most votes wins?

Simple and fair, in my POV.

The PR method of voting has been pioneered mostly by the Lib Dems as they've been so cheesed off at getting a fair percentage of the whole nation's votes that they want to bend the rules in the hope of gaining a few more seats.

And the method proposed is messy and could give some very unpredictable results, an election within a constituency could become very much like spinning a wheel of fortune.

Lemme see, a candidate needs 50% of prime votes to win outright. Any percentage below that and all the second votes are added up etc etc until, after a long and to my mind messy procedure, a winner is declared. Who that winner will be will be dependent on the extra votes you give after your first vote.

Nah, to my mind it's just sour grapes on the Lib-Dems part and they're trying to bend the rules to their favour.

One voter, one vote, first past the post wins - simple.

I will acknowledge the fact that the current system of voting isn't perfect, particularly when the Tories under Thatcher decided to shift a fair few of the constituency boundaries in their own favour.

I also note that the situation atm is mostly a two horse race and that's probably not ideal but that's the way it is. At least we have more choice of parties than they do in The States.

And on a personal comment, I thought Blair was bad, cruel and unjust but the Cameron Clegg Glimmer Twins partnership makes him look like a sweet hearted Teddy Bear. Such is life

[nivrip]

I read an article by a bloke involved in counting votes after elections. He was staggered by the number of people who found it difficult to put one cross in one box to register their vote.

He was terrified to think of the mayhem that will ensue if people have to put more than one cross in more than one box and reckons that the number of spoilt voting papers will skyrocket.

For reasons other than the above I will be voting "No" to AV.

[nivrip]

Originally Posted by Urmas

Victor D'Hondt
1841-1901

For those of you who, like me, have no idea who Victor D'Hont is/was see THIS LINK

Thanks Urmas.

[Me__2001]

All i'll say is, its a first past the post system to decide whether we should change it or not

[muckshifter]

Originally Posted by PotGuy

What do you all think?

I got a rather vitriolic letter through against AV, saying that it was going to cost £250m, the equivalent cost of 5000000 nurses, teachers, 3000000000 baby incubators and the usual rubbish.

As far as I am concerned, it is the closest to PR we are going to get for another 40 years and it should be taken with both hands. Once things go back to Labour/Tory normality it will be an impossibility.

I recall the 1997 Labour PR pledge too

what the heck are you on about ... AV, thought it was something to do with anti-virus

If it's politic, I'll close the thread now.