XL 2007 only seems to AutoSize the Height of a text box, not the
Width.
This is different from XL 95..2003 which autosized both.

This is easily seen from the UI, just create an Autoboxed frame and
type into it, only in XL < 2007 does it get wider.

This makes it difficult to programatically create a text box, and put
some text in it and have the box displayed in a natural width. Same
goes for comments etc.

Any ideas for a work around most appreciated. (Guessing the width of
fonted strings is very error prone.)

Regards,

Anthony

Anthony,
I don't use XL2007, but does it jog the Text frame to the correct size if
you toggle the AutoSize property:

With <YourTextFrame>
.Characters.Text = "Some long line of text spread" & Chr(10) & "over
several" & Chr(10) & "lines"
.AutoSize=false
.AutoSize=true
End with

NickHK

"Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> XL 2007 only seems to AutoSize the Height of a text box, not the
> Width.
> This is different from XL 95..2003 which autosized both.
>
> This is easily seen from the UI, just create an Autoboxed frame and
> type into it, only in XL < 2007 does it get wider.
>
> This makes it difficult to programatically create a text box, and put
> some text in it and have the box displayed in a natural width. Same
> goes for comments etc.
>
> Any ideas for a work around most appreciated. (Guessing the width of
> fonted strings is very error prone.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony
>

Good idea, but I just tried it and no, that does not work.

The behavior for comment frames seems slightly different to text boxes,
still investigating.

If anyone knows how to write a WidthOfFontedString(characters) then that
would be great.

(And I have set up a "real" news reader, apologies for the multiple
posts. And all the messages now show up on Google. But not in the
search index. I must have just missed them when I checked this morning.)

Thanks,

Anthony

NickHK wrote:

> Anthony,
> I don't use XL2007, but does it jog the Text frame to the correct size if
> you toggle the AutoSize property:
>
> With <YourTextFrame>
> .Characters.Text = "Some long line of text spread" & Chr(10) & "over
> several" & Chr(10) & "lines"
> .AutoSize=false
> .AutoSize=true
> End with
>
> NickHK
>
> "Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>XL 2007 only seems to AutoSize the Height of a text box, not the
>>Width.
>>This is different from XL 95..2003 which autosized both.
>>
>>This is easily seen from the UI, just create an Autoboxed frame and
>>type into it, only in XL < 2007 does it get wider.
>>
>>This makes it difficult to programatically create a text box, and put
>>some text in it and have the box displayed in a natural width. Same
>>goes for comments etc.
>>
>>Any ideas for a work around most appreciated. (Guessing the width of
>>fonted strings is very error prone.)
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Anthony
>>
>
>
>

Anthony,
One way, in a cell out of the way somewhere, insert the desired text in the
correct font, size, formatting etc. Then AutoSize the column. Read the
column width.
You may have to use some scaling factor to convert to the units/differences
between the worksheet cell and a Text Frame, but at least it should be
constant.
Otherwise, use a fixed width font and no formatting and just multiply by the
number of characters, if this is practical for you.

NickHK

"Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Good idea, but I just tried it and no, that does not work.
>
> The behavior for comment frames seems slightly different to text boxes,
> still investigating.
>
> If anyone knows how to write a WidthOfFontedString(characters) then that
> would be great.
>
> (And I have set up a "real" news reader, apologies for the multiple
> posts. And all the messages now show up on Google. But not in the
> search index. I must have just missed them when I checked this morning.)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
>
> NickHK wrote:
>
> > Anthony,
> > I don't use XL2007, but does it jog the Text frame to the correct size
if
> > you toggle the AutoSize property:
> >
> > With <YourTextFrame>
> > .Characters.Text = "Some long line of text spread" & Chr(10) & "over
> > several" & Chr(10) & "lines"
> > .AutoSize=false
> > .AutoSize=true
> > End with
> >
> > NickHK
> >
> > "Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >>XL 2007 only seems to AutoSize the Height of a text box, not the
> >>Width.
> >>This is different from XL 95..2003 which autosized both.
> >>
> >>This is easily seen from the UI, just create an Autoboxed frame and
> >>type into it, only in XL < 2007 does it get wider.
> >>
> >>This makes it difficult to programatically create a text box, and put
> >>some text in it and have the box displayed in a natural width. Same
> >>goes for comments etc.
> >>
> >>Any ideas for a work around most appreciated. (Guessing the width of
> >>fonted strings is very error prone.)
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>
> >>Anthony
> >>
> >
> >
> >

Hmm, clever idea. And I just checked that it still works in XL07. But
what a hack! And performance is passable -- about 5 ms per AutoFit.

I am also comming across bugs in .characters() functions. Nasty,
unrepeatable corrupting ones. I suspect that they have been lurking
since XL95, (and I have ugly work arounds) but are just corrumpting
memory that happens to be more important now.

Anthony

NickHK wrote:

> Anthony,
> One way, in a cell out of the way somewhere, insert the desired text in the
> correct font, size, formatting etc. Then AutoSize the column. Read the
> column width.
> You may have to use some scaling factor to convert to the units/differences
> between the worksheet cell and a Text Frame, but at least it should be
> constant.
> Otherwise, use a fixed width font and no formatting and just multiply by the
> number of characters, if this is practical for you.
>
> NickHK
>
> "Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>Good idea, but I just tried it and no, that does not work.
>>
>>The behavior for comment frames seems slightly different to text boxes,
>>still investigating.
>>
>>If anyone knows how to write a WidthOfFontedString(characters) then that
>>would be great.
>>
>>(And I have set up a "real" news reader, apologies for the multiple
>>posts. And all the messages now show up on Google. But not in the
>>search index. I must have just missed them when I checked this morning.)
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Anthony
>>
>>NickHK wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Anthony,
>>>I don't use XL2007, but does it jog the Text frame to the correct size
>
> if
>
>>>you toggle the AutoSize property:
>>>
>>>With <YourTextFrame>
>>> .Characters.Text = "Some long line of text spread" & Chr(10) & "over
>>>several" & Chr(10) & "lines"
>>> .AutoSize=false
>>> .AutoSize=true
>>>End with
>>>
>>>NickHK
>>>
>>>"Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>>
>>>>XL 2007 only seems to AutoSize the Height of a text box, not the
>>>>Width.
>>>>This is different from XL 95..2003 which autosized both.
>>>>
>>>>This is easily seen from the UI, just create an Autoboxed frame and
>>>>type into it, only in XL < 2007 does it get wider.
>>>>
>>>>This makes it difficult to programatically create a text box, and put
>>>>some text in it and have the box displayed in a natural width. Same
>>>>goes for comments etc.
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas for a work around most appreciated. (Guessing the width of
>>>>fonted strings is very error prone.)
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Anthony
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Anthony,
I have no pressing need for Office2007. I'm waiting for an SP or 2 before
<upgrading>.
I'll let you folks figure out the difficult bits before I jump aboard <g>.

NickHK

"Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hmm, clever idea. And I just checked that it still works in XL07. But
> what a hack! And performance is passable -- about 5 ms per AutoFit.
>
> I am also comming across bugs in .characters() functions. Nasty,
> unrepeatable corrupting ones. I suspect that they have been lurking
> since XL95, (and I have ugly work arounds) but are just corrumpting
> memory that happens to be more important now.
>
> Anthony
>
> NickHK wrote:
>
> > Anthony,
> > One way, in a cell out of the way somewhere, insert the desired text in
the
> > correct font, size, formatting etc. Then AutoSize the column. Read the
> > column width.
> > You may have to use some scaling factor to convert to the
units/differences
> > between the worksheet cell and a Text Frame, but at least it should be
> > constant.
> > Otherwise, use a fixed width font and no formatting and just multiply by
the
> > number of characters, if this is practical for you.
> >
> > NickHK
> >
> > "Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >>Good idea, but I just tried it and no, that does not work.
> >>
> >>The behavior for comment frames seems slightly different to text boxes,
> >>still investigating.
> >>
> >>If anyone knows how to write a WidthOfFontedString(characters) then that
> >>would be great.
> >>
> >>(And I have set up a "real" news reader, apologies for the multiple
> >>posts. And all the messages now show up on Google. But not in the
> >>search index. I must have just missed them when I checked this
morning.)
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Anthony
> >>
> >>NickHK wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Anthony,
> >>>I don't use XL2007, but does it jog the Text frame to the correct size
> >
> > if
> >
> >>>you toggle the AutoSize property:
> >>>
> >>>With <YourTextFrame>
> >>> .Characters.Text = "Some long line of text spread" & Chr(10) &
"over
> >>>several" & Chr(10) & "lines"
> >>> .AutoSize=false
> >>> .AutoSize=true
> >>>End with
> >>>
> >>>NickHK
> >>>
> >>>"Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >>>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>XL 2007 only seems to AutoSize the Height of a text box, not the
> >>>>Width.
> >>>>This is different from XL 95..2003 which autosized both.
> >>>>
> >>>>This is easily seen from the UI, just create an Autoboxed frame and
> >>>>type into it, only in XL < 2007 does it get wider.
> >>>>
> >>>>This makes it difficult to programatically create a text box, and put
> >>>>some text in it and have the box displayed in a natural width. Same
> >>>>goes for comments etc.
> >>>>
> >>>>Any ideas for a work around most appreciated. (Guessing the width of
> >>>>fonted strings is very error prone.)
> >>>>
> >>>>Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>Anthony
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >

> Anthony,
> I have no pressing need for Office2007. I'm waiting for an SP or 2 before
> <upgrading>.

Very wise. But I am writing an add-in for others so do not have that
luxury.

To be fair, the released version is much beter than the final "Beta 2
Technical Refresh". They addressed a number of bugs that I had reported
(no idea whether my bug lists were ever read or they were working from
their own lists).

I have hacked Autosize by just second guessing text widths in plain
code, taking account of narrower characters etc. Rough but adequate.
I'm a little worried that in SP1 or 2 they will "fix" Autosize to work
the way it used to work, and break my code again! (I'd say that at
least 90% of my development time is working around quirks like these
plus weird optimizations that prove necessary.)

One note is that the text boxes in Comments do AutoSize the traditional
way, height and width.

Anthony

NickHK wrote:

> Anthony,
> I have no pressing need for Office2007. I'm waiting for an SP or 2 before
> <upgrading>.
> I'll let you folks figure out the difficult bits before I jump aboard <g>.
>
> NickHK
>
> "Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>Hmm, clever idea. And I just checked that it still works in XL07. But
>>what a hack! And performance is passable -- about 5 ms per AutoFit.
>>
>>I am also comming across bugs in .characters() functions. Nasty,
>>unrepeatable corrupting ones. I suspect that they have been lurking
>>since XL95, (and I have ugly work arounds) but are just corrumpting
>>memory that happens to be more important now.
>>
>>Anthony
>>
>>NickHK wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Anthony,
>>>One way, in a cell out of the way somewhere, insert the desired text in
>
> the
>
>>>correct font, size, formatting etc. Then AutoSize the column. Read the
>>>column width.
>>>You may have to use some scaling factor to convert to the
>
> units/differences
>
>>>between the worksheet cell and a Text Frame, but at least it should be
>>>constant.
>>>Otherwise, use a fixed width font and no formatting and just multiply by
>
> the
>
>>>number of characters, if this is practical for you.
>>>
>>>NickHK
>>>
>>>"Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Good idea, but I just tried it and no, that does not work.
>>>>
>>>>The behavior for comment frames seems slightly different to text boxes,
>>>>still investigating.
>>>>
>>>>If anyone knows how to write a WidthOfFontedString(characters) then that
>>>>would be great.
>>>>
>>>>(And I have set up a "real" news reader, apologies for the multiple
>>>>posts. And all the messages now show up on Google. But not in the
>>>>search index. I must have just missed them when I checked this
>
> morning.)
>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Anthony
>>>>
>>>>NickHK wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Anthony,
>>>>>I don't use XL2007, but does it jog the Text frame to the correct size
>>>
>>>if
>>>
>>>
>>>>>you toggle the AutoSize property:
>>>>>
>>>>>With <YourTextFrame>
>>>>> .Characters.Text = "Some long line of text spread" & Chr(10) &
>
> "over
>
>>>>>several" & Chr(10) & "lines"
>>>>> .AutoSize=false
>>>>> .AutoSize=true
>>>>>End with
>>>>>
>>>>>NickHK
>>>>>
>>>>>"Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>XL 2007 only seems to AutoSize the Height of a text box, not the
>>>>>>Width.
>>>>>>This is different from XL 95..2003 which autosized both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is easily seen from the UI, just create an Autoboxed frame and
>>>>>>type into it, only in XL < 2007 does it get wider.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This makes it difficult to programatically create a text box, and put
>>>>>>some text in it and have the box displayed in a natural width. Same
>>>>>>goes for comments etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any ideas for a work around most appreciated. (Guessing the width of
>>>>>>fonted strings is very error prone.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anthony
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>

Greetings Anthony. One thought: Write the text out to a column and auto
size the column. This should give you width to use in the text box.

Bob Flanagan
Macro Systems
http://www.add-ins.com
Productivity add-ins and downloadable books on VB macros for Excel

"Anthony Berglas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> XL 2007 only seems to AutoSize the Height of a text box, not the
> Width.
> This is different from XL 95..2003 which autosized both.
>
> This is easily seen from the UI, just create an Autoboxed frame and
> type into it, only in XL < 2007 does it get wider.
>
> This makes it difficult to programatically create a text box, and put
> some text in it and have the box displayed in a natural width. Same
> goes for comments etc.
>
> Any ideas for a work around most appreciated. (Guessing the width of
> fonted strings is very error prone.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony
>

Anthony Berglas wrote:
> XL 2007 only seems to AutoSize the Height of a text box, not the
> Width.
> This is different from XL 95..2003 which autosized both.
>

I have to admit, this statement leaves me stumped. I have never been
able to get the autosize feature to work properly in Excel <= 2003.
Whenever I use the autosize feature in the Format Shape window, it
automatically sizes the width, but all the text is in a single line.
Was there another method that I have been missing out on?

To get autosizing to work in my add-in, I spent many hours writing my
own algorithm. If there's an easier way, I'm going to be really ticked
at myself.

In fact, I though the TextFrame2 Autosize method in 2007 was a
Godsend.


Nick Hebb
BreezeTree Software
http://www.,breezetree.com