I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically defragment all of our PCs (say, during the night for example). Users are complaining that their PCs are becoming very defragmented and of course they cant do it themselves because they dont have local admin rights. I am trying to do this through group policy. Is this possible?

Create a JOB file in the MS Tasker ( %windir%\tasks ) to defrag the disk.

In the job you can apply an admin. account and password.

Dave



"Daynas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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| I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically defragment all of our PCs
(say, during the night for example). Users are complaining that their PCs are becoming very
defragmented and of course they cant do it themselves because they dont have local admin
rights. I am trying to do this through group policy. Is this possible?

what kind of client pc do you have?
all of them are windows 2000 or XP, or mixed with windows98, ME?

I think Diskeeper is smart and easier solution.

http://www.executive.com/coverpage.asp


"Daynas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically defragment all of our PCs
>(say, during the night for example).
>Users are complaining that their PCs are becoming very defragmented and
>of course they cant do it themselves because they dont have local admin rights.
>I am trying to do this through group policy. Is this possible?

You have to use a third-party tool to do this:

http://www.morphasys.com/autodefrag/

When setting the schedule for your defragmentation, keep in mind that in
most cases the benefits of defragging a disk are not noticeable. On the
other hand there is a substantial danger of the process going wrong,
requiring you to rebuild machines regularly.



"Daynas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:CDAE2F1D-476F-4EB7-A89D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically defragment
all of our PCs (say, during the night for example). Users are complaining
that their PCs are becoming very defragmented and of course they cant do it
themselves because they dont have local admin rights. I am trying to do this
through group policy. Is this possible?

This won't work - the defragger requires some input from the user.


"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:eq%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Create a JOB file in the MS Tasker ( %windir%\tasks ) to defrag the disk.
>
> In the job you can apply an admin. account and password.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> "Daynas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:CDAE2F1D-476F-4EB7-A89D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> | I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically defragment
all of our PCs
> (say, during the night for example). Users are complaining that their PCs
are becoming very
> defragmented and of course they cant do it themselves because they dont
have local admin
> rights. I am trying to do this through group policy. Is this possible?
>
>

"the benefits of defragging a disk are not noticeable"

Most people would strongly disagree with this statement - including
Microsoft.

Defragmenting is such a concern with Microsoft that Windows XP attempts to
pro-actively reduce the amount of fragmentation with certain files (so that
Windows boots faster and applications launch faster).


"substantial danger of the process going wrong, requiring you to rebuild
machines regularly."

There is NO danger of the defrag process going wrong. Microsoft's defrag
APIs provide a supported and safe way of "moving" files. It is the file
system that is actually performing all file "moves" - performing consistency
checks throughout to verify that all files moves did actually take place.

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.




"Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> You have to use a third-party tool to do this:
>
> http://www.morphasys.com/autodefrag/
>
> When setting the schedule for your defragmentation, keep in mind that in
> most cases the benefits of defragging a disk are not noticeable. On the
> other hand there is a substantial danger of the process going wrong,
> requiring you to rebuild machines regularly.
>
>
>
> "Daynas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:CDAE2F1D-476F-4EB7-A89D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically defragment
> all of our PCs (say, during the night for example). Users are complaining
> that their PCs are becoming very defragmented and of course they cant do
it
> themselves because they dont have local admin rights. I am trying to do
this
> through group policy. Is this possible?
>
>

Using GP and the built-in defragmenter - nope. Using a specific 3rd party
defragmenter - easily done. If you would like more information, please
holler.

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.

"Daynas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:CDAE2F1D-476F-4EB7-A89D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically defragment
all of our PCs (say, during the night for example). Users are complaining
that their PCs are becoming very defragmented and of course they cant do it
themselves because they dont have local admin rights. I am trying to do this
through group policy. Is this possible?

Let's talk about facts, not impressions.

For a human to notice an improvement in performance, a PC would need
to run at least 20% faster. A 10% improvement is only detectable with
a stop watch.

Would you be able to quote some authoritative industry report, accessible
on the web, that demonstrates that this magnitude of improvement can
be observed after defragging some average hard disk?


"Greg Hayes/Raxco Software" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> "the benefits of defragging a disk are not noticeable"
>
> Most people would strongly disagree with this statement - including
> Microsoft.
>
> Defragmenting is such a concern with Microsoft that Windows XP attempts to
> pro-actively reduce the amount of fragmentation with certain files (so
that
> Windows boots faster and applications launch faster).
>
>
> "substantial danger of the process going wrong, requiring you to rebuild
> machines regularly."
>
> There is NO danger of the defrag process going wrong. Microsoft's defrag
> APIs provide a supported and safe way of "moving" files. It is the file
> system that is actually performing all file "moves" - performing
consistency
> checks throughout to verify that all files moves did actually take place.
>
> - Greg/Raxco Software
> Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
>
> Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
> commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
department.
>
> Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
>
>
>
>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > You have to use a third-party tool to do this:
> >
> > http://www.morphasys.com/autodefrag/
> >
> > When setting the schedule for your defragmentation, keep in mind that in
> > most cases the benefits of defragging a disk are not noticeable. On the
> > other hand there is a substantial danger of the process going wrong,
> > requiring you to rebuild machines regularly.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Daynas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:CDAE2F1D-476F-4EB7-A89D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically
defragment
> > all of our PCs (say, during the night for example). Users are
complaining
> > that their PCs are becoming very defragmented and of course they cant do
> it
> > themselves because they dont have local admin rights. I am trying to do
> this
> > through group policy. Is this possible?
> >
> >
>
>

Facts:

Here is a link to a Microsoft paper that talks about (among other things)
fragmentation. Please be sure to read the section on Evaluation Issues -
where the #1 evaluation issue discussed is defragmentation.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tre...asp?frame=true

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.

"Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Let's talk about facts, not impressions.
>
> For a human to notice an improvement in performance, a PC would need
> to run at least 20% faster. A 10% improvement is only detectable with
> a stop watch.
>
> Would you be able to quote some authoritative industry report, accessible
> on the web, that demonstrates that this magnitude of improvement can
> be observed after defragging some average hard disk?
>
>
> "Greg Hayes/Raxco Software" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > "the benefits of defragging a disk are not noticeable"
> >
> > Most people would strongly disagree with this statement - including
> > Microsoft.
> >
> > Defragmenting is such a concern with Microsoft that Windows XP attempts
to
> > pro-actively reduce the amount of fragmentation with certain files (so
> that
> > Windows boots faster and applications launch faster).
> >
> >
> > "substantial danger of the process going wrong, requiring you to rebuild
> > machines regularly."
> >
> > There is NO danger of the defrag process going wrong. Microsoft's
defrag
> > APIs provide a supported and safe way of "moving" files. It is the file
> > system that is actually performing all file "moves" - performing
> consistency
> > checks throughout to verify that all files moves did actually take
place.
> >
> > - Greg/Raxco Software
> > Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
> >
> > Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
> > commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
> department.
> >
> > Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > You have to use a third-party tool to do this:
> > >
> > > http://www.morphasys.com/autodefrag/
> > >
> > > When setting the schedule for your defragmentation, keep in mind that
in
> > > most cases the benefits of defragging a disk are not noticeable. On
the
> > > other hand there is a substantial danger of the process going wrong,
> > > requiring you to rebuild machines regularly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Daynas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:CDAE2F1D-476F-4EB7-A89D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically
> defragment
> > > all of our PCs (say, during the night for example). Users are
> complaining
> > > that their PCs are becoming very defragmented and of course they cant
do
> > it
> > > themselves because they dont have local admin rights. I am trying to
do
> > this
> > > through group policy. Is this possible?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Thanks for the link. It certainly sounds impressive, coming from
Microsoft and using statements such as "I/O performance is
strongly influenced by the layout of files on disk. Files and
directories that are heavily fragmented or dispersed across
the disk will hurt performance.".

Unfortunately the report stops well short of quoting actual
performance figures. Until it does, the benefits of frequent
defragging are a matter of faith, not fact: It might give me a
warm and comfortable feeling but otherwise I may not notice
much of a difference. I would have loved to see some real-life
figures!


"Greg Hayes/Raxco Software" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:unA%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Facts:
>
> Here is a link to a Microsoft paper that talks about (among other things)
> fragmentation. Please be sure to read the section on Evaluation Issues -
> where the #1 evaluation issue discussed is defragmentation.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tre...asp?frame=true
>
> - Greg/Raxco Software
> Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
>
> Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
> commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
department.
>
> Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Let's talk about facts, not impressions.
> >
> > For a human to notice an improvement in performance, a PC would need
> > to run at least 20% faster. A 10% improvement is only detectable with
> > a stop watch.
> >
> > Would you be able to quote some authoritative industry report,
accessible
> > on the web, that demonstrates that this magnitude of improvement can
> > be observed after defragging some average hard disk?
> >
> >
> > "Greg Hayes/Raxco Software" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > "the benefits of defragging a disk are not noticeable"
> > >
> > > Most people would strongly disagree with this statement - including
> > > Microsoft.
> > >
> > > Defragmenting is such a concern with Microsoft that Windows XP
attempts
> to
> > > pro-actively reduce the amount of fragmentation with certain files (so
> > that
> > > Windows boots faster and applications launch faster).
> > >
> > >
> > > "substantial danger of the process going wrong, requiring you to
rebuild
> > > machines regularly."
> > >
> > > There is NO danger of the defrag process going wrong. Microsoft's
> defrag
> > > APIs provide a supported and safe way of "moving" files. It is the
file
> > > system that is actually performing all file "moves" - performing
> > consistency
> > > checks throughout to verify that all files moves did actually take
> place.
> > >
> > > - Greg/Raxco Software
> > > Microsoft MVP - Windows File System
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
> > > commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
> > department.
> > >
> > > Want to email me? Delete ntloader.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Pegasus (MVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > You have to use a third-party tool to do this:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.morphasys.com/autodefrag/
> > > >
> > > > When setting the schedule for your defragmentation, keep in mind
that
> in
> > > > most cases the benefits of defragging a disk are not noticeable. On
> the
> > > > other hand there is a substantial danger of the process going wrong,
> > > > requiring you to rebuild machines regularly.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Daynas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:CDAE2F1D-476F-4EB7-A89D-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > I am trying to figure out how to set a time to automatically
> > defragment
> > > > all of our PCs (say, during the night for example). Users are
> > complaining
> > > > that their PCs are becoming very defragmented and of course they
cant
> do
> > > it
> > > > themselves because they dont have local admin rights. I am trying to
> do
> > > this
> > > > through group policy. Is this possible?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>