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> My experience is that the only additional filtering NFilter
> offers is on the XRef.
>
> Have you tested to see if you can filter on 'organisation',
> 'followup-to', and 'x-newsreader'?
>
> I'd be surprised if you can, but would be interested to see
> you test and report back
[ /quote]

No flags/scrores on any of these:
NNTP-Posting-Host:
X-Newsreader:
Organization:

J
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:01:37 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)lid wrote:

>No flags/scrores on any of these:
>NNTP-Posting-Host:
>X-Newsreader:
>Organization:

Thx for that. My feeling/experience remains that NFilter can only
filter on the overview - all else, including NFilter's own
documentation, is wishful thinking.
The overview looks to be standard. The example given in NFilter docs
corresponds to the overview I recently checked on five newsservers:

Subject:
From:
Date:
Message-ID:
References:
Bytes:
Lines:
Xref:full

Xref is seriously useful, I'm currently experimenting with flagging
googlegroups on the MID, and I can imagine circs in which the Refs
could be useful.

It would be nice to filter on XHDR though... *sigh*

jo <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:01:37 GMT, (E-Mail Removed)lid
> wrote:
>
>>No flags/scrores on any of these:
>>NNTP-Posting-Host:
>>X-Newsreader:
>>Organization:
>
> Thx for that. My feeling/experience remains that NFilter
> can only filter on the overview - all else, including
> NFilter's own documentation, is wishful thinking.
> The overview looks to be standard. The example given in
> NFilter docs corresponds to the overview I recently checked
> on five newsservers:
>
> Subject:
> From:
> Date:
> Message-ID:
> References:
> Bytes:
> Lines:
> Xref:full
>
> Xref is seriously useful, I'm currently experimenting with
> flagging googlegroups on the MID, and I can imagine circs
> in which the Refs could be useful.
>
> It would be nice to filter on XHDR though... *sigh*
>
Yes, indeed.

FWIW, may favorite (pr0n from HK):
* drop References:*netvigator*
(this sometimes fails; I'm not sure why)

J
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jo <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in <news:(E-Mail Removed)>:

>> No flags/scrores on any of these:
>> NNTP-Posting-Host:
>> X-Newsreader:
>> Organization:
>
> Thx for that. My feeling/experience remains that NFilter can only
> filter on the overview - all else, including NFilter's own
> documentation, is wishful thinking.

I could swear I have seen posts in news.software.readers confirming
that NFilter (at least some version of it) does work with XHDR (or
HEAD, either would work). Maybe asking about it over there would turn
something up, I dunno.

> The overview looks to be standard. The example given in NFilter docs
> corresponds to the overview I recently checked on five newsservers:
>
> Subject:
> From:
> Date:
> Message-ID:
> References:
> Bytes:
> Lines:
> Xref:full

Yeah, those are indeed the standard for the overview database. Xref is
optional but highly recommended, and AFAIK all servers that have an
overview database include it.

> Xref is seriously useful, I'm currently experimenting with flagging
> googlegroups on the MID, and I can imagine circs in which the Refs
> could be useful.

Filtering on References is most useful when you want to filter all
replies to a poster or everything downthread from that poster.

> It would be nice to filter on XHDR though... *sigh*

Hamster, hamster, hamster.
<http://www.tglsoft.de/misc/hamster_en.htm>

It's not a proxy but a local server which acts as a client to remote
servers. If I didn't use it for anything else (I do), it would be
worth it for the filtering capabilities alone.

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»Q«

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:35:49 -0600, »Q« <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I could swear I have seen posts in news.software.readers confirming
>that NFilter (at least some version of it) does work with XHDR (or
>HEAD, either would work).

Yep. All over usenet for years you can read posts confirming that
NFilter will do this and that.
What you *never* see is anyone actually doing it.

Yet somehow it manages to retain its reputation. No other app that
promised so much but delivered so little would keep its reputation in
this way

>Hamster, hamster, hamster.
><http://www.tglsoft.de/misc/hamster_en.htm>
>
>It's not a proxy but a local server which acts as a client to remote
>servers. If I didn't use it for anything else (I do), it would be
>worth it for the filtering capabilities alone.

It's years since I looked at Hamster, and that was just to get
multiple pops into Agent. Ikeep meaning to go back...

»Q« <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
»news:(E-Mail Removed):
[snip]
>> The overview looks to be standard. The example given in
>> NFilter docs corresponds to the overview I recently
>> checked on five newsservers:
>>
>> Subject:
>> From:
>> Date:
>> Message-ID:
>> References:
>> Bytes:
>> Lines:
>> Xref:full
>
> Yeah, those are indeed the standard for the overview
> database. Xref is optional but highly recommended, and
> AFAIK all servers that have an overview database include
> it.
>
[snip]

One problem I see on this newsserver very often: it does not
report _all_ Xref's.
Of course, I cannot tell who/what is dropping the missing NG's.

J
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<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> [snip]
>
> One problem I see on this newsserver very often: it does not
> report _all_ Xref's.
> Of course, I cannot tell who/what is dropping the missing NG's.
>
> J

The Xref: header only includes the newsgroups listed in the Newsgroups:
header that are also carried by your own newsserver.

I've used Nfilter to drop cross-posts using the Newsgroups: header
where a troll was consistantly cross-posting to a newsgroup
not carried by news.cis.dfn.de, but as Newsgroups: is not
part of the standard overview it slows downloading the headers.

"»Q«" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...

> I could swear I have seen posts in news.software.readers confirming
> that NFilter (at least some version of it) does work with XHDR (or
> HEAD, either would work). Maybe asking about it over there would turn
> something up, I dunno.
>

I can confirm that Nfilter does work with XHDR and will
successfully filter on headers that do not appear in the
Overview - subject to the news server supporting the XHDR
command of course, which as I posted previously this
news server does.


However, as far as I'm aware Nfilter does not use the
HEAD command if XHR is not supported by the server.
My guess is head isn't used because downloading all
headers could be time consuming and tempt trolls
to make them as large as their news server would permit...

"Mel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed).
> net...
>> [snip]
>>
>> One problem I see on this newsserver very often: it does
>> not report _all_ Xref's.
>> Of course, I cannot tell who/what is dropping the missing
>> NG's.
>>
>> J
>
> The Xref: header only includes the newsgroups listed in the
> Newsgroups: header that are also carried by your own
> newsserver.
>
> I've used Nfilter to drop cross-posts using the Newsgroups:
> header where a troll was consistantly cross-posting to a
> newsgroup not carried by news.cis.dfn.de, but as
> Newsgroups: is not part of the standard overview it slows
> downloading the headers.
>

Thanks. I'll tinker w/ it.

J
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:21:17 -0000, "Mel"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I've used Nfilter to drop cross-posts using the Newsgroups: header

Interesting. What server?