Anonymous Bob
(E-Mail Removed)
Site Down:
http://www.superantispyware.com/down...NTISPYWAREFREE
Also Tried: http://www.superantispyware.com/

I got the system under control, got one problem remaining - HELKERN WORM
keeps attacking my machine.
Intrusion.Win.MSSQL.worm.Helkern identified by Firewall Defender Pro 5-In-1
It don't remove the problem or change settings so it won't happen it is just
keeping a record log of it for now each time it occurs. I am running it on
High
Security (Stealth Mode).

Here is the log...
[each date/time states Attack - Helkern. The attack has been successfully
repulsed]

9/28/2007 11:51:04 PM - attacked from 202.103.11.41
9/29/2007 2:11:23 AM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
9/29/2007 3:00:10 AM - attacked from 220.168.198.58
9/29/2007 2:29:45 PM - attacked from 220.189.238.42
9/29/2007 2:51:16 PM - attacked from 218.232.95.60
9/29/2007 4:53:47 PM - attacked from 202.98.223.67
9/29/2007 8:22:08 PM - attacked from 221.141.1.33
9/29/2007 9:58:04 PM - attacked from 202.107.228.35
9/30/2007 1:43:27 AM - attacked from 58.20.228.52
9/30/2007 3:57:33 AM - attacked from 219.147.233.30
9/30/2007 4:00:27 AM - attacked from 218.106.91.25
9/30/2007 4:25:01 AM - attacked from 218.108.70.246
9/30/2007 12:33:18 PM - attacked from 220.191.233.132
9/30/2007 12:43:52 PM - attacked from 125.76.238.164
9/30/2007 1:31:54 PM - attacked from 64.22.116.150
9/30/2007 1:47:28 PM - attacked from 59.34.5.87
9/30/2007 4:35:11 PM - attacked from 202.103.11.41
9/30/2007 6:23:11 PM - attacked from 220.168.198.58
9/30/2007 8:25:24 PM - attacked from 203.94.243.191
9/30/2007 11:19:47 PM - attacked from 124.205.138.109
10/1/2007 12:49:42 AM - attacked from 210.72.220.12
10/1/2007 3:10:53 AM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
10/1/2007 10:34:29 AM - attacked from
204.219.131.61.dial.ja.jx.dynamic.163data.com.cn
10/1/2007 1:55:04 PM - attacked from 64.22.116.150
10/1/2007 2:50:13 PM - attacked from 220.189.238.42
10/1/2007 5:50:25 PM - attacked from 218.232.95.60
10/1/2007 7:21:05 PM - attacked from 219.147.233.30
10/2/2007 1:44:33 AM - attacked from 218.106.91.25
10/2/2007 2:39:58 AM - attacked from 202.98.223.67
10/2/2007 3:44:03 AM - attacked from 58.20.228.52
10/2/2007 4:00:57 AM - attacked from 220.191.233.132
10/2/2007 5:10:36 AM - attacked from 59.34.5.87
10/2/2007 7:30:34 AM - attacked from 125.76.238.164
10/2/2007 2:18:44 PM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
10/3/2007 4:08:20 AM - attacked from 219.150.206.94
10/3/2007 10:44:58 AM - attacked from 219.147.233.30
10/3/2007 11:38:31 AM - attacked from 218.93.115.230
10/3/2007 1:38:30 PM - attacked from 189-62-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch
10/3/2007 3:06:45 PM - attacked from 220.189.238.42
10/3/2007 3:43:03 PM - attacked from 203.94.243.191
10/3/2007 7:28:48 PM - attacked from 220.191.233.132
10/3/2007 8:34:02 PM - attacked from 59.34.5.87
10/3/2007 9:12:54 PM - attacked from 218.232.95.60
10/3/2007 11:12:32 PM - attacked from 218.106.91.25
10/4/2007 1:09:28 AM - attacked from 220.168.198.58
10/4/2007 2:15:20 AM - attacked from 125.76.238.164
10/4/2007 5:47:34 AM - attacked from 58.20.228.52
10/4/2007 11:24:01 AM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
10/4/2007 12:09:47 PM - attacked from 202.98.223.67
10/4/2007 1:07:31 PM - attacked from
adsl196-126-7-206-196.adsl196-1.iam.net.ma
10/4/2007 2:35:10 PM - attacked from 82.178.22.22
10/4/2007 3:13:16 PM - attacked from 80.231.169.58
10/4/2007 7:22:21 PM - attacked from 219.150.184.141
10/5/2007 1:17:05 AM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
10/5/2007 2:08:28 AM - attacked from 219.147.233.30
10/5/2007 2:52:17 AM - attacked from 218.93.115.230
10/5/2007 5:15:26 AM - attacked from 61.130.112.42
10/5/2007 7:46:13 AM - attacked from 61.175.243.182
10/5/2007 10:56:22 AM - attacked from 220.191.233.132
10/5/2007 11:57:04 AM - attacked from 59.34.5.87
10/5/2007 2:05:31 PM - attacked from 58.20.228.52
10/5/2007 3:13:41 PM - attacked from 220.189.238.42
10/5/2007 7:00:33 PM - attacked from 218.106.91.25
10/5/2007 8:04:14 PM - attacked from 203.94.243.191
10/5/2007 9:02:02 PM - attacked from 125.76.238.164
10/5/2007 9:08:27 PM - attacked from 202.103.11.41
10/6/2007 12:04:55 AM - attacked from 210.72.220.12
10/6/2007 12:50:47 AM - attacked from 218.232.95.60
10/6/2007 3:58:29 AM - attacked from 222.85.126.78
10/6/2007 2:23:24 PM - attacked from 61.236.66.106
10/6/2007 2:56:38 PM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
10/6/2007 5:31:59 PM - attacked from 219.147.233.30

[not Bob]

I think you don't have a problem. Are you on a fixed IP? If not, try
getting a new one--power cycle the DSL or Cable modem.

The firewall is doing the job and keeping this stuff out--looking at logs
like that is mostly advertising for them--the windows firewall would do the
same thing and not bother you about it.

This stuff is background noise--it isn't aimed at you specfically, it's
mainly infected machines scanning for vulnerable machines to spread an
infection. The firewall is not letting the stuff in which is what you pay
it to do--tell it to keep up the good work, but not bother you about it.

(but I'll be interested in what Bob has to say!)

--

"Michael @ Webwalking.info"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:A39A1CDA-692F-4A4A-8721-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Anonymous Bob
> (E-Mail Removed)
> Site Down:
> http://www.superantispyware.com/down...NTISPYWAREFREE
> Also Tried: http://www.superantispyware.com/
>
> I got the system under control, got one problem remaining - HELKERN WORM
> keeps attacking my machine.
> Intrusion.Win.MSSQL.worm.Helkern identified by Firewall Defender Pro
> 5-In-1
> It don't remove the problem or change settings so it won't happen it is
> just
> keeping a record log of it for now each time it occurs. I am running it on
> High
> Security (Stealth Mode).
>
> Here is the log...
> [each date/time states Attack - Helkern. The attack has been successfully
> repulsed]
>
> 9/28/2007 11:51:04 PM - attacked from 202.103.11.41
> 9/29/2007 2:11:23 AM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
> 9/29/2007 3:00:10 AM - attacked from 220.168.198.58
> 9/29/2007 2:29:45 PM - attacked from 220.189.238.42
> 9/29/2007 2:51:16 PM - attacked from 218.232.95.60
> 9/29/2007 4:53:47 PM - attacked from 202.98.223.67
> 9/29/2007 8:22:08 PM - attacked from 221.141.1.33
> 9/29/2007 9:58:04 PM - attacked from 202.107.228.35
> 9/30/2007 1:43:27 AM - attacked from 58.20.228.52
> 9/30/2007 3:57:33 AM - attacked from 219.147.233.30
> 9/30/2007 4:00:27 AM - attacked from 218.106.91.25
> 9/30/2007 4:25:01 AM - attacked from 218.108.70.246
> 9/30/2007 12:33:18 PM - attacked from 220.191.233.132
> 9/30/2007 12:43:52 PM - attacked from 125.76.238.164
> 9/30/2007 1:31:54 PM - attacked from 64.22.116.150
> 9/30/2007 1:47:28 PM - attacked from 59.34.5.87
> 9/30/2007 4:35:11 PM - attacked from 202.103.11.41
> 9/30/2007 6:23:11 PM - attacked from 220.168.198.58
> 9/30/2007 8:25:24 PM - attacked from 203.94.243.191
> 9/30/2007 11:19:47 PM - attacked from 124.205.138.109
> 10/1/2007 12:49:42 AM - attacked from 210.72.220.12
> 10/1/2007 3:10:53 AM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
> 10/1/2007 10:34:29 AM - attacked from
> 204.219.131.61.dial.ja.jx.dynamic.163data.com.cn
> 10/1/2007 1:55:04 PM - attacked from 64.22.116.150
> 10/1/2007 2:50:13 PM - attacked from 220.189.238.42
> 10/1/2007 5:50:25 PM - attacked from 218.232.95.60
> 10/1/2007 7:21:05 PM - attacked from 219.147.233.30
> 10/2/2007 1:44:33 AM - attacked from 218.106.91.25
> 10/2/2007 2:39:58 AM - attacked from 202.98.223.67
> 10/2/2007 3:44:03 AM - attacked from 58.20.228.52
> 10/2/2007 4:00:57 AM - attacked from 220.191.233.132
> 10/2/2007 5:10:36 AM - attacked from 59.34.5.87
> 10/2/2007 7:30:34 AM - attacked from 125.76.238.164
> 10/2/2007 2:18:44 PM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
> 10/3/2007 4:08:20 AM - attacked from 219.150.206.94
> 10/3/2007 10:44:58 AM - attacked from 219.147.233.30
> 10/3/2007 11:38:31 AM - attacked from 218.93.115.230
> 10/3/2007 1:38:30 PM - attacked from 189-62-239-77-pool.cable.fcom.ch
> 10/3/2007 3:06:45 PM - attacked from 220.189.238.42
> 10/3/2007 3:43:03 PM - attacked from 203.94.243.191
> 10/3/2007 7:28:48 PM - attacked from 220.191.233.132
> 10/3/2007 8:34:02 PM - attacked from 59.34.5.87
> 10/3/2007 9:12:54 PM - attacked from 218.232.95.60
> 10/3/2007 11:12:32 PM - attacked from 218.106.91.25
> 10/4/2007 1:09:28 AM - attacked from 220.168.198.58
> 10/4/2007 2:15:20 AM - attacked from 125.76.238.164
> 10/4/2007 5:47:34 AM - attacked from 58.20.228.52
> 10/4/2007 11:24:01 AM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
> 10/4/2007 12:09:47 PM - attacked from 202.98.223.67
> 10/4/2007 1:07:31 PM - attacked from
> adsl196-126-7-206-196.adsl196-1.iam.net.ma
> 10/4/2007 2:35:10 PM - attacked from 82.178.22.22
> 10/4/2007 3:13:16 PM - attacked from 80.231.169.58
> 10/4/2007 7:22:21 PM - attacked from 219.150.184.141
> 10/5/2007 1:17:05 AM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
> 10/5/2007 2:08:28 AM - attacked from 219.147.233.30
> 10/5/2007 2:52:17 AM - attacked from 218.93.115.230
> 10/5/2007 5:15:26 AM - attacked from 61.130.112.42
> 10/5/2007 7:46:13 AM - attacked from 61.175.243.182
> 10/5/2007 10:56:22 AM - attacked from 220.191.233.132
> 10/5/2007 11:57:04 AM - attacked from 59.34.5.87
> 10/5/2007 2:05:31 PM - attacked from 58.20.228.52
> 10/5/2007 3:13:41 PM - attacked from 220.189.238.42
> 10/5/2007 7:00:33 PM - attacked from 218.106.91.25
> 10/5/2007 8:04:14 PM - attacked from 203.94.243.191
> 10/5/2007 9:02:02 PM - attacked from 125.76.238.164
> 10/5/2007 9:08:27 PM - attacked from 202.103.11.41
> 10/6/2007 12:04:55 AM - attacked from 210.72.220.12
> 10/6/2007 12:50:47 AM - attacked from 218.232.95.60
> 10/6/2007 3:58:29 AM - attacked from 222.85.126.78
> 10/6/2007 2:23:24 PM - attacked from 61.236.66.106
> 10/6/2007 2:56:38 PM - attacked from 222.217.240.228
> 10/6/2007 5:31:59 PM - attacked from 219.147.233.30
>

"Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> (but I'll be interested in what Bob has to say!)

I don't really have anything to add to Bill's take on it other than to
recommend using a router if you have broadband access.

I've only run across Defender Pro one time and that pc was a mess. It had
been badly infected and the owner had taken it back to the shop were she
bought it. The tech did an "in place install", since the owner didn't want
to lose everything she had on the computer, and gave it back to her. She had
both Defender Pro and Norton Internet Security running and didn't have
internet access. Since networking wasn't set up, there had been no updates
done to the system. It took me two full days to get it running and cleaned
up for her.

I can't say I can blame any weakness in Defender Pro for the original
problem. She had a very poor attitude regarding security . I did my best to
change her habits, but I doubt that my efforts had any lasting affect.

Bob Vanderveen

also i have no problems getting to the superantispyware site at

http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html

I just tried it now and it came in fine
robin
"Anonymous Bob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> (but I'll be interested in what Bob has to say!)
>
> I don't really have anything to add to Bill's take on it other than to
> recommend using a router if you have broadband access.
>
> I've only run across Defender Pro one time and that pc was a mess. It had
> been badly infected and the owner had taken it back to the shop were she
> bought it. The tech did an "in place install", since the owner didn't want
> to lose everything she had on the computer, and gave it back to her. She
> had
> both Defender Pro and Norton Internet Security running and didn't have
> internet access. Since networking wasn't set up, there had been no updates
> done to the system. It took me two full days to get it running and cleaned
> up for her.
>
> I can't say I can blame any weakness in Defender Pro for the original
> problem. She had a very poor attitude regarding security . I did my best
> to
> change her habits, but I doubt that my efforts had any lasting affect.
>
> Bob Vanderveen
>
>

Hi Robin,

Did you also try the Program, i just did but got the problem that at
scanning my PC temperature is rising very quick and a reboot is the
result, it is consuming all the CPU and memory resources.
Some other conflicts with Trend 2008 pro also.

Never problems with Adaware and Spybot and Windefender scans.
I download and install these programs regular to see that they found
something that Trend let true, after a scan i uninstall them again.

Regards >*< TOM >*<


Robinb schreef:
> also i have no problems getting to the superantispyware site at
>
> http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html
>
> I just tried it now and it came in fine
> robin
> "Anonymous Bob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> (but I'll be interested in what Bob has to say!)
>> I don't really have anything to add to Bill's take on it other than to
>> recommend using a router if you have broadband access.
>>
>> I've only run across Defender Pro one time and that pc was a mess. It had
>> been badly infected and the owner had taken it back to the shop were she
>> bought it. The tech did an "in place install", since the owner didn't want
>> to lose everything she had on the computer, and gave it back to her. She
>> had
>> both Defender Pro and Norton Internet Security running and didn't have
>> internet access. Since networking wasn't set up, there had been no updates
>> done to the system. It took me two full days to get it running and cleaned
>> up for her.
>>
>> I can't say I can blame any weakness in Defender Pro for the original
>> problem. She had a very poor attitude regarding security . I did my best
>> to
>> change her habits, but I doubt that my efforts had any lasting affect.
>>
>> Bob Vanderveen
>>
>>
>
>

superantispware?
I have it on 7 computers and installed on 25computers running xp home, pro,
media center and vista and never had a problem with it
I have the pro version on 2 and 7 of the 25 have the pro also and they never
had a problem

robin

"Tom Emmelot" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Robin,
>
> Did you also try the Program, i just did but got the problem that at
> scanning my PC temperature is rising very quick and a reboot is the
> result, it is consuming all the CPU and memory resources.
> Some other conflicts with Trend 2008 pro also.
>
> Never problems with Adaware and Spybot and Windefender scans.
> I download and install these programs regular to see that they found
> something that Trend let true, after a scan i uninstall them again.
>
> Regards >*< TOM >*<
>
>
> Robinb schreef:
>> also i have no problems getting to the superantispyware site at
>>
>> http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html
>>
>> I just tried it now and it came in fine
>> robin
>> "Anonymous Bob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> (but I'll be interested in what Bob has to say!)
>>> I don't really have anything to add to Bill's take on it other than to
>>> recommend using a router if you have broadband access.
>>>
>>> I've only run across Defender Pro one time and that pc was a mess. It
>>> had
>>> been badly infected and the owner had taken it back to the shop were she
>>> bought it. The tech did an "in place install", since the owner didn't
>>> want
>>> to lose everything she had on the computer, and gave it back to her. She
>>> had
>>> both Defender Pro and Norton Internet Security running and didn't have
>>> internet access. Since networking wasn't set up, there had been no
>>> updates
>>> done to the system. It took me two full days to get it running and
>>> cleaned
>>> up for her.
>>>
>>> I can't say I can blame any weakness in Defender Pro for the original
>>> problem. She had a very poor attitude regarding security . I did my best
>>> to
>>> change her habits, but I doubt that my efforts had any lasting affect.
>>>
>>> Bob Vanderveen
>>>
>>>
>>

oh on my vista home premium I have it as pro and running with trend micro
version 14 security suite and it runs fine together
robin
"Tom Emmelot" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Robin,
>
> Did you also try the Program, i just did but got the problem that at
> scanning my PC temperature is rising very quick and a reboot is the
> result, it is consuming all the CPU and memory resources.
> Some other conflicts with Trend 2008 pro also.
>
> Never problems with Adaware and Spybot and Windefender scans.
> I download and install these programs regular to see that they found
> something that Trend let true, after a scan i uninstall them again.
>
> Regards >*< TOM >*<
>
>
> Robinb schreef:
>> also i have no problems getting to the superantispyware site at
>>
>> http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html
>>
>> I just tried it now and it came in fine
>> robin
>> "Anonymous Bob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> (but I'll be interested in what Bob has to say!)
>>> I don't really have anything to add to Bill's take on it other than to
>>> recommend using a router if you have broadband access.
>>>
>>> I've only run across Defender Pro one time and that pc was a mess. It
>>> had
>>> been badly infected and the owner had taken it back to the shop were she
>>> bought it. The tech did an "in place install", since the owner didn't
>>> want
>>> to lose everything she had on the computer, and gave it back to her. She
>>> had
>>> both Defender Pro and Norton Internet Security running and didn't have
>>> internet access. Since networking wasn't set up, there had been no
>>> updates
>>> done to the system. It took me two full days to get it running and
>>> cleaned
>>> up for her.
>>>
>>> I can't say I can blame any weakness in Defender Pro for the original
>>> problem. She had a very poor attitude regarding security . I did my best
>>> to
>>> change her habits, but I doubt that my efforts had any lasting affect.
>>>
>>> Bob Vanderveen
>>>
>>>
>>

Hi Robin,

I think the problem is between Trend 2008 versus Superantispyware.

Thanks for the response.

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Robinb schreef:
> oh on my vista home premium I have it as pro and running with trend micro
> version 14 security suite and it runs fine together
> robin
> "Tom Emmelot" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi Robin,
>>
>> Did you also try the Program, i just did but got the problem that at
>> scanning my PC temperature is rising very quick and a reboot is the
>> result, it is consuming all the CPU and memory resources.
>> Some other conflicts with Trend 2008 pro also.
>>
>> Never problems with Adaware and Spybot and Windefender scans.
>> I download and install these programs regular to see that they found
>> something that Trend let true, after a scan i uninstall them again.
>>
>> Regards >*< TOM >*<
>>
>>
>> Robinb schreef:
>>> also i have no problems getting to the superantispyware site at
>>>
>>> http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html
>>>
>>> I just tried it now and it came in fine
>>> robin
>>> "Anonymous Bob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> (but I'll be interested in what Bob has to say!)
>>>> I don't really have anything to add to Bill's take on it other than to
>>>> recommend using a router if you have broadband access.
>>>>
>>>> I've only run across Defender Pro one time and that pc was a mess. It
>>>> had
>>>> been badly infected and the owner had taken it back to the shop were she
>>>> bought it. The tech did an "in place install", since the owner didn't
>>>> want
>>>> to lose everything she had on the computer, and gave it back to her. She
>>>> had
>>>> both Defender Pro and Norton Internet Security running and didn't have
>>>> internet access. Since networking wasn't set up, there had been no
>>>> updates
>>>> done to the system. It took me two full days to get it running and
>>>> cleaned
>>>> up for her.
>>>>
>>>> I can't say I can blame any weakness in Defender Pro for the original
>>>> problem. She had a very poor attitude regarding security . I did my best
>>>> to
>>>> change her habits, but I doubt that my efforts had any lasting affect.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Vanderveen
>>>>
>>>>
>

"Tom Emmelot" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Robin,
>
> Did you also try the Program, i just did but got the problem that at
> scanning my PC temperature is rising very quick and a reboot is the
> result, it is consuming all the CPU and memory resources.
> Some other conflicts with Trend 2008 pro also.

If the "Program" refers to superantispyware, I just ran a scan and saw the
cpu temp go from 118 to 126. That's not too bad on my system. I would think
either your high temp shutdown is set too low or your system needs a good
dusting.

Bob Vanderveen

"Tom Emmelot" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Robin,
>
> I think the problem is between Trend 2008 versus Superantispyware.
>
> Thanks for the response.
>
> Regards >*< TOM >*<
>
> Robinb schreef:
>> oh on my vista home premium I have it as pro and running with trend micro
>> version 14 security suite and it runs fine together
>> robin
>> "Tom Emmelot" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Hi Robin,
>>>
>>> Did you also try the Program, i just did but got the problem that at
>>> scanning my PC temperature is rising very quick and a reboot is the
>>> result, it is consuming all the CPU and memory resources.
>>> Some other conflicts with Trend 2008 pro also.
>>>
>>> Never problems with Adaware and Spybot and Windefender scans.
>>> I download and install these programs regular to see that they found
>>> something that Trend let true, after a scan i uninstall them again.
>>>
>>> Regards >*< TOM >*<
>>>
>>>
>>> Robinb schreef:
>>>> also i have no problems getting to the superantispyware site at
>>>>
>>>> http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html
>>>>
>>>> I just tried it now and it came in fine
>>>> robin
>>>> "Anonymous Bob" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>> (but I'll be interested in what Bob has to say!)
>>>>> I don't really have anything to add to Bill's take on it other than to
>>>>> recommend using a router if you have broadband access.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've only run across Defender Pro one time and that pc was a mess. It
>>>>> had
>>>>> been badly infected and the owner had taken it back to the shop were
>>>>> she
>>>>> bought it. The tech did an "in place install", since the owner didn't
>>>>> want
>>>>> to lose everything she had on the computer, and gave it back to her.
>>>>> She had
>>>>> both Defender Pro and Norton Internet Security running and didn't have
>>>>> internet access. Since networking wasn't set up, there had been no
>>>>> updates
>>>>> done to the system. It took me two full days to get it running and
>>>>> cleaned
>>>>> up for her.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't say I can blame any weakness in Defender Pro for the original
>>>>> problem. She had a very poor attitude regarding security . I did my
>>>>> best to
>>>>> change her habits, but I doubt that my efforts had any lasting affect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Vanderveen
>>>>>
>>>>>
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