I'm using Word 2002, SP-1, on Windows 2000.
I've created a Template and attached it to a document,
then I customized the "Heading" Styles, "Body text"
Styles, and added some custom Styles. I then attempted to
attach my Template to another document so that I could use
the modified Styles and custom Styles in that document,
but when I did the Attach, I don't see the custom Styles
in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, and
the "Heading" and "Body text" Styles look the same as they
did before I did the Attach. If I select "File >
Properties", I see "Template: MyTemplate.dot" on the
Summary tab, so it looks as if the attach succeeded. Is
there anything else I have to do to make the document
aware that a different Template is now attached? If you
could help, it would be much appreciated.

Chris

Hi Chris

As far as the attachment is concerned, in order to bring the template styles
into the document you need to check 'Automatically update document styles'
in the Templates and Add-ins dialog. You should then open the dialog again
and uncheck the box, because leaving it set can cause various problems. Note
that automatically update styles from template isn't completely reliable for
numbered styles, and also that the changes to styles will have no effect on
document text that has been directly formatted, overriding the style.

However, from your description I wonder whether you have in fact saved your
styles in the template. If you are working in a document, as opposed to
having the .dot file open, any changes you make to styles will only affect
the document, unless you also check the 'Update template' box in the Modify
dialog. Again, passing the style back to the template isn't reliable for
numbered styles - I would always set these up in the .dot file itself.

You can also use the Organizer to copy styles between documents and
templates.

The basic concept to remember is that once a document has been 'Newed' from
a template, it has a life of its own, and getting updates from the document
back to the template, or vice versa, requires positive action and may not
give you a complete match. Numbered styles are buggy, and cascaded styles
(styles based on other styles) fall into the 'logical but confusing'
category of Word features.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word


"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:073801c362ec$48e44830$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm using Word 2002, SP-1, on Windows 2000.
> I've created a Template and attached it to a document,
> then I customized the "Heading" Styles, "Body text"
> Styles, and added some custom Styles. I then attempted to
> attach my Template to another document so that I could use
> the modified Styles and custom Styles in that document,
> but when I did the Attach, I don't see the custom Styles
> in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, and
> the "Heading" and "Body text" Styles look the same as they
> did before I did the Attach. If I select "File >
> Properties", I see "Template: MyTemplate.dot" on the
> Summary tab, so it looks as if the attach succeeded. Is
> there anything else I have to do to make the document
> aware that a different Template is now attached? If you
> could help, it would be much appreciated.
>
> Chris
>

To follow on from what Margaret has said, if you want reliable access to
styles newly added to a template, you would do well to create a new document
based on the template, then use Insert | File or copy all but the last
paragraph and paste to transfer the content of the old document to the new
one. Note that if you use Insert | File, you need to press Enter a couple of
times first; otherwise Word (contrary to all logic) brings the formatting of
the old document into the new one.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Margaret Aldis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Chris
>
> As far as the attachment is concerned, in order to bring the template
styles
> into the document you need to check 'Automatically update document styles'
> in the Templates and Add-ins dialog. You should then open the dialog again
> and uncheck the box, because leaving it set can cause various problems.
Note
> that automatically update styles from template isn't completely reliable
for
> numbered styles, and also that the changes to styles will have no effect
on
> document text that has been directly formatted, overriding the style.
>
> However, from your description I wonder whether you have in fact saved
your
> styles in the template. If you are working in a document, as opposed to
> having the .dot file open, any changes you make to styles will only affect
> the document, unless you also check the 'Update template' box in the
Modify
> dialog. Again, passing the style back to the template isn't reliable for
> numbered styles - I would always set these up in the .dot file itself.
>
> You can also use the Organizer to copy styles between documents and
> templates.
>
> The basic concept to remember is that once a document has been 'Newed'
from
> a template, it has a life of its own, and getting updates from the
document
> back to the template, or vice versa, requires positive action and may not
> give you a complete match. Numbered styles are buggy, and cascaded styles
> (styles based on other styles) fall into the 'logical but confusing'
> category of Word features.
>
> --
> Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
> Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
> Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
>
>
> "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:073801c362ec$48e44830$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I'm using Word 2002, SP-1, on Windows 2000.
> > I've created a Template and attached it to a document,
> > then I customized the "Heading" Styles, "Body text"
> > Styles, and added some custom Styles. I then attempted to
> > attach my Template to another document so that I could use
> > the modified Styles and custom Styles in that document,
> > but when I did the Attach, I don't see the custom Styles
> > in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, and
> > the "Heading" and "Body text" Styles look the same as they
> > did before I did the Attach. If I select "File >
> > Properties", I see "Template: MyTemplate.dot" on the
> > Summary tab, so it looks as if the attach succeeded. Is
> > there anything else I have to do to make the document
> > aware that a different Template is now attached? If you
> > could help, it would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
>

Margaret,

Thank you for your well written reply. I tried your
suggestion of checking the 'Automatically update document
styles' checkbox in the Templates and Add-ins dialog box
and it worked like a champ. I had intended to mention
that if I selected "File > New" and then selected
the "MyTemplate" Template, the Styles that I had saved
appeared in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, but,
being over 50, I forgot to add it at the end of my
description.

As to numbered Styles, I have been on a buggy ride with
them for some time. I'm trying to modify some VBA code
(written by MVP John McGhie), that was referenced on the
Word "Numbering" Newsgroup, to be able to reliably format
the Numbering Styles to my specifications. It involves
bypassing the Numbering Style Gallery positional
referencing, in order to be able to send the document to
someone else, who will probably have that Numbering Style
in a different position in the Gallery. I'm a bit
confounded by the suggestion that anyone trying to use
numbering in Word (a secretary, for example) is expected
to modify a thousand or so lines of VBA code to do it
reliably, whereas, presumably, Microsoft can't supply the
VBA code as part of Word with a dialog box to allow the
user to change it reliably. Am I missing something here?

Thanks again,
Chris

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Chris
>
>As far as the attachment is concerned, in order to bring
the template styles
>into the document you need to check 'Automatically update
document styles'
>in the Templates and Add-ins dialog. You should then open
the dialog again
>and uncheck the box, because leaving it set can cause
various problems. Note
>that automatically update styles from template isn't
completely reliable for
>numbered styles, and also that the changes to styles will
have no effect on
>document text that has been directly formatted,
overriding the style.
>
>However, from your description I wonder whether you have
in fact saved your
>styles in the template. If you are working in a document,
as opposed to
>having the .dot file open, any changes you make to styles
will only affect
>the document, unless you also check the 'Update template'
box in the Modify
>dialog. Again, passing the style back to the template
isn't reliable for
>numbered styles - I would always set these up in the .dot
file itself.
>
>You can also use the Organizer to copy styles between
documents and
>templates.
>
>The basic concept to remember is that once a document has
been 'Newed' from
>a template, it has a life of its own, and getting updates
from the document
>back to the template, or vice versa, requires positive
action and may not
>give you a complete match. Numbered styles are buggy, and
cascaded styles
>(styles based on other styles) fall into the 'logical but
confusing'
>category of Word features.
>
>--
>Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
>Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
>Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
>
>
>"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:073801c362ec$48e44830$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I'm using Word 2002, SP-1, on Windows 2000.
>> I've created a Template and attached it to a document,
>> then I customized the "Heading" Styles, "Body text"
>> Styles, and added some custom Styles. I then attempted
to
>> attach my Template to another document so that I could
use
>> the modified Styles and custom Styles in that document,
>> but when I did the Attach, I don't see the custom Styles
>> in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, and
>> the "Heading" and "Body text" Styles look the same as
they
>> did before I did the Attach. If I select "File >
>> Properties", I see "Template: MyTemplate.dot" on the
>> Summary tab, so it looks as if the attach succeeded. Is
>> there anything else I have to do to make the document
>> aware that a different Template is now attached? If you
>> could help, it would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
>
>.
>

Suzanne,

Are you saying that starting with a new document based
on "MyTemplate" and then inserting the text of an existing
document into it is more reliable than opening
the "Templates and Add-Ins" dialog box, checking
the "Automatically update document styles" box, and then
attaching the "MyTemplate" Template? Or is it a way to
keep from having to remember to un-check the box again?

Thanks for your reply,
Chris

>-----Original Message-----
>To follow on from what Margaret has said, if you want
reliable access to
>styles newly added to a template, you would do well to
create a new document
>based on the template, then use Insert | File or copy all
but the last
>paragraph and paste to transfer the content of the old
document to the new
>one. Note that if you use Insert | File, you need to
press Enter a couple of
>times first; otherwise Word (contrary to all logic)
brings the formatting of
>the old document into the new one.
>
>--
>Suzanne S. Barnhill
>Microsoft MVP (Word)
>Words into Type
>Fairhope, Alabama USA
>Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
>Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups
to the newsgroup so
>all may benefit.
>
>"Margaret Aldis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi Chris
>>
>> As far as the attachment is concerned, in order to
bring the template
>styles
>> into the document you need to check 'Automatically
update document styles'
>> in the Templates and Add-ins dialog. You should then
open the dialog again
>> and uncheck the box, because leaving it set can cause
various problems.
>Note
>> that automatically update styles from template isn't
completely reliable
>for
>> numbered styles, and also that the changes to styles
will have no effect
>on
>> document text that has been directly formatted,
overriding the style.
>>
>> However, from your description I wonder whether you
have in fact saved
>your
>> styles in the template. If you are working in a
document, as opposed to
>> having the .dot file open, any changes you make to
styles will only affect
>> the document, unless you also check the 'Update
template' box in the
>Modify
>> dialog. Again, passing the style back to the template
isn't reliable for
>> numbered styles - I would always set these up in
the .dot file itself.
>>
>> You can also use the Organizer to copy styles between
documents and
>> templates.
>>
>> The basic concept to remember is that once a document
has been 'Newed'
>from
>> a template, it has a life of its own, and getting
updates from the
>document
>> back to the template, or vice versa, requires positive
action and may not
>> give you a complete match. Numbered styles are buggy,
and cascaded styles
>> (styles based on other styles) fall into the 'logical
but confusing'
>> category of Word features.
>>
>> --
>> Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
>> Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
>> Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
>>
>>
>> "Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:073801c362ec$48e44830$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > I'm using Word 2002, SP-1, on Windows 2000.
>> > I've created a Template and attached it to a document,
>> > then I customized the "Heading" Styles, "Body text"
>> > Styles, and added some custom Styles. I then
attempted to
>> > attach my Template to another document so that I
could use
>> > the modified Styles and custom Styles in that
document,
>> > but when I did the Attach, I don't see the custom
Styles
>> > in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, and
>> > the "Heading" and "Body text" Styles look the same as
they
>> > did before I did the Attach. If I select "File >
>> > Properties", I see "Template: MyTemplate.dot" on the
>> > Summary tab, so it looks as if the attach succeeded.
Is
>> > there anything else I have to do to make the document
>> > aware that a different Template is now attached? If
you
>> > could help, it would be much appreciated.
>> >
>> > Chris
>> >
>>
>>
>
>.
>

Hi Chris

Most of the time now (Word 2002 and the latest SRs of 97 and 2000) you will
get on fine if you a) stick to styles and b) set the styles up following
Shauna's detailed instructions in

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html

(lots of other good stuff on this site that may illuminate your template
questions, too).

Personally, I do always set my numbered styles up from VBA, because I have
the code to do it (don't think it's anything like 1000 lines!) and I know it
is reliable, especially when creating styles that may need to be updated
from template. However, once the styles are set up (either way) you
shouldn't have to touch VBA *or* (most important) the Bullets and Numbering
dialog again, as applying the style will apply the correct numbering. The
thing to avoid is applying the numbering directly, especially using the
toolbar buttons.

If you want to see a sample of the code I use, see

http://www.syntagma.demon.co.uk/FAQs...tFromStyle.htm

(This is for numbered lists, including a dummy restart style, but shows the
general principle for creating the list template and linking levels to
styles.)

I see we share an age group and its symptoms <g>.

--
Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word


"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:091001c3636a$9502fcb0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Margaret,
>
> Thank you for your well written reply. I tried your
> suggestion of checking the 'Automatically update document
> styles' checkbox in the Templates and Add-ins dialog box
> and it worked like a champ. I had intended to mention
> that if I selected "File > New" and then selected
> the "MyTemplate" Template, the Styles that I had saved
> appeared in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, but,
> being over 50, I forgot to add it at the end of my
> description.
>
> As to numbered Styles, I have been on a buggy ride with
> them for some time. I'm trying to modify some VBA code
> (written by MVP John McGhie), that was referenced on the
> Word "Numbering" Newsgroup, to be able to reliably format
> the Numbering Styles to my specifications. It involves
> bypassing the Numbering Style Gallery positional
> referencing, in order to be able to send the document to
> someone else, who will probably have that Numbering Style
> in a different position in the Gallery. I'm a bit
> confounded by the suggestion that anyone trying to use
> numbering in Word (a secretary, for example) is expected
> to modify a thousand or so lines of VBA code to do it
> reliably, whereas, presumably, Microsoft can't supply the
> VBA code as part of Word with a dialog box to allow the
> user to change it reliably. Am I missing something here?
>
> Thanks again,
> Chris
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi Chris
> >
> >As far as the attachment is concerned, in order to bring
> the template styles
> >into the document you need to check 'Automatically update
> document styles'
> >in the Templates and Add-ins dialog. You should then open
> the dialog again
> >and uncheck the box, because leaving it set can cause
> various problems. Note
> >that automatically update styles from template isn't
> completely reliable for
> >numbered styles, and also that the changes to styles will
> have no effect on
> >document text that has been directly formatted,
> overriding the style.
> >
> >However, from your description I wonder whether you have
> in fact saved your
> >styles in the template. If you are working in a document,
> as opposed to
> >having the .dot file open, any changes you make to styles
> will only affect
> >the document, unless you also check the 'Update template'
> box in the Modify
> >dialog. Again, passing the style back to the template
> isn't reliable for
> >numbered styles - I would always set these up in the .dot
> file itself.
> >
> >You can also use the Organizer to copy styles between
> documents and
> >templates.
> >
> >The basic concept to remember is that once a document has
> been 'Newed' from
> >a template, it has a life of its own, and getting updates
> from the document
> >back to the template, or vice versa, requires positive
> action and may not
> >give you a complete match. Numbered styles are buggy, and
> cascaded styles
> >(styles based on other styles) fall into the 'logical but
> confusing'
> >category of Word features.
> >
> >--
> >Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
> >Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
> >Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
> >
> >
> >"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >news:073801c362ec$48e44830$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> I'm using Word 2002, SP-1, on Windows 2000.
> >> I've created a Template and attached it to a document,
> >> then I customized the "Heading" Styles, "Body text"
> >> Styles, and added some custom Styles. I then attempted
> to
> >> attach my Template to another document so that I could
> use
> >> the modified Styles and custom Styles in that document,
> >> but when I did the Attach, I don't see the custom Styles
> >> in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, and
> >> the "Heading" and "Body text" Styles look the same as
> they
> >> did before I did the Attach. If I select "File >
> >> Properties", I see "Template: MyTemplate.dot" on the
> >> Summary tab, so it looks as if the attach succeeded. Is
> >> there anything else I have to do to make the document
> >> aware that a different Template is now attached? If you
> >> could help, it would be much appreciated.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >

Margaret,

I came up with the 1000 lines of code by starting at:

http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...tlineNumbering.
html

There, I followed the "Word's Numbering Explained" link
near the bottom of the page (in the "Grateful
Acknowledgement" paragraph). There, I followed the
link "How to cure Word's List Numbering with a dose of
VBA" (just above the "Table of Contents"). There, I
followed the link "Resetting numbering not available" (top
of the third paragraph). The seventh posting (by John
McGhie, Sep 6, 2001) has in the neighborhood of 1,600
lines of code. (It turns out I was understating the
number of lines a bit, although there is quite a bit of
repetition due to there being 9 of each of the bullets and
numbering categories.) My comment was less about lines of
code than it was about the large percentage of the user
base that has no programming experience (and is unlikely
to ever do any programming) but may still be required to
use bullets or numbering, reliably, in their documents.

It's a good suggestion to set the Style and not touch it
again, but I am creating documents for other people who
will then open them, perhaps with "Automatically update
document styles" checked in the "Templates and Add-Ins"
dialog box, which will potentially break the numbering
Styles because their Normal.dot may have a
different "ListTemplate" in that position of
the "ListGallery". So I presume that means I need to
supply them a different template file
(e.g., "MyMacros.dot") with a macro for applying the macro
Styles and a button on a toolbar to run it. And if they
want to modify the numbering Styles I need to add code in
the macro to put up a dialog box to allow them to do the
changes (I'm currently reading about "UserForms"). Which
makes me think "Gee, this sounds like something that
Microsoft could do!" Anyway, I digress. I don't use the
toolbar buttons to do numbering (thanks for the warning)
and use Styles for most everything (except for occasional
partial paragraph underlining, bolding, etc.).

I'll take a look at your code sample and see if it gives
me more insight. It's been great to experience the
newsgroups and I'm passing the word (if you'll pardon the
pun). Thanks again,

TTFN,
Chris

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Chris
>
>Most of the time now (Word 2002 and the latest SRs of 97
and 2000) you will
>get on fine if you a) stick to styles and b) set the
styles up following
>Shauna's detailed instructions in
>
>http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...tlineNumbering
..html
>
>(lots of other good stuff on this site that may
illuminate your template
>questions, too).
>
>Personally, I do always set my numbered styles up from
VBA, because I have
>the code to do it (don't think it's anything like 1000
lines!) and I know it
>is reliable, especially when creating styles that may
need to be updated
>from template. However, once the styles are set up
(either way) you
>shouldn't have to touch VBA *or* (most important) the
Bullets and Numbering
>dialog again, as applying the style will apply the
correct numbering. The
>thing to avoid is applying the numbering directly,
especially using the
>toolbar buttons.
>
>If you want to see a sample of the code I use, see
>
>http://www.syntagma.demon.co.uk/FAQs...startFromStyle.
htm
>
>(This is for numbered lists, including a dummy restart
style, but shows the
>general principle for creating the list template and
linking levels to
>styles.)
>
>I see we share an age group and its symptoms <g>.
>
>--
>Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
>Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
>Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
>
>
>"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:091001c3636a$9502fcb0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Margaret,
>>
>> Thank you for your well written reply. I tried your
>> suggestion of checking the 'Automatically update
document
>> styles' checkbox in the Templates and Add-ins dialog box
>> and it worked like a champ. I had intended to mention
>> that if I selected "File > New" and then selected
>> the "MyTemplate" Template, the Styles that I had saved
>> appeared in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, but,
>> being over 50, I forgot to add it at the end of my
>> description.
>>
>> As to numbered Styles, I have been on a buggy ride
with
>> them for some time. I'm trying to modify some VBA code
>> (written by MVP John McGhie), that was referenced on the
>> Word "Numbering" Newsgroup, to be able to reliably
format
>> the Numbering Styles to my specifications. It involves
>> bypassing the Numbering Style Gallery positional
>> referencing, in order to be able to send the document to
>> someone else, who will probably have that Numbering
Style
>> in a different position in the Gallery. I'm a bit
>> confounded by the suggestion that anyone trying to use
>> numbering in Word (a secretary, for example) is expected
>> to modify a thousand or so lines of VBA code to do it
>> reliably, whereas, presumably, Microsoft can't supply
the
>> VBA code as part of Word with a dialog box to allow the
>> user to change it reliably. Am I missing something
here?
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Chris
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >Hi Chris
>> >
>> >As far as the attachment is concerned, in order to
bring
>> the template styles
>> >into the document you need to check 'Automatically
update
>> document styles'
>> >in the Templates and Add-ins dialog. You should then
open
>> the dialog again
>> >and uncheck the box, because leaving it set can cause
>> various problems. Note
>> >that automatically update styles from template isn't
>> completely reliable for
>> >numbered styles, and also that the changes to styles
will
>> have no effect on
>> >document text that has been directly formatted,
>> overriding the style.
>> >
>> >However, from your description I wonder whether you
have
>> in fact saved your
>> >styles in the template. If you are working in a
document,
>> as opposed to
>> >having the .dot file open, any changes you make to
styles
>> will only affect
>> >the document, unless you also check the 'Update
template'
>> box in the Modify
>> >dialog. Again, passing the style back to the template
>> isn't reliable for
>> >numbered styles - I would always set these up in
the .dot
>> file itself.
>> >
>> >You can also use the Organizer to copy styles between
>> documents and
>> >templates.
>> >
>> >The basic concept to remember is that once a document
has
>> been 'Newed' from
>> >a template, it has a life of its own, and getting
updates
>> from the document
>> >back to the template, or vice versa, requires positive
>> action and may not
>> >give you a complete match. Numbered styles are buggy,
and
>> cascaded styles
>> >(styles based on other styles) fall into the 'logical
but
>> confusing'
>> >category of Word features.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
>> >Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
>> >Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
>> >
>> >
>> >"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >news:073801c362ec$48e44830$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> I'm using Word 2002, SP-1, on Windows 2000.
>> >> I've created a Template and attached it to a
document,
>> >> then I customized the "Heading" Styles, "Body text"
>> >> Styles, and added some custom Styles. I then
attempted
>> to
>> >> attach my Template to another document so that I
could
>> use
>> >> the modified Styles and custom Styles in that
document,
>> >> but when I did the Attach, I don't see the custom
Styles
>> >> in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, and
>> >> the "Heading" and "Body text" Styles look the same as
>> they
>> >> did before I did the Attach. If I select "File >
>> >> Properties", I see "Template: MyTemplate.dot" on the
>> >> Summary tab, so it looks as if the attach
succeeded. Is
>> >> there anything else I have to do to make the document
>> >> aware that a different Template is now attached? If
you
>> >> could help, it would be much appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>
>
>.
>

It certainly means that you need to uncheck "Automatically update document
styles" in your document and template. Generally this should not be checked.
--

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"Chris Edler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:098e01c36607$11ee73f0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Margaret,
>
> I came up with the 1000 lines of code by starting at:
>
> http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...tlineNumbering.
> html
>
> There, I followed the "Word's Numbering Explained" link
> near the bottom of the page (in the "Grateful
> Acknowledgement" paragraph). There, I followed the
> link "How to cure Word's List Numbering with a dose of
> VBA" (just above the "Table of Contents"). There, I
> followed the link "Resetting numbering not available" (top
> of the third paragraph). The seventh posting (by John
> McGhie, Sep 6, 2001) has in the neighborhood of 1,600
> lines of code. (It turns out I was understating the
> number of lines a bit, although there is quite a bit of
> repetition due to there being 9 of each of the bullets and
> numbering categories.) My comment was less about lines of
> code than it was about the large percentage of the user
> base that has no programming experience (and is unlikely
> to ever do any programming) but may still be required to
> use bullets or numbering, reliably, in their documents.
>
> It's a good suggestion to set the Style and not touch it
> again, but I am creating documents for other people who
> will then open them, perhaps with "Automatically update
> document styles" checked in the "Templates and Add-Ins"
> dialog box, which will potentially break the numbering
> Styles because their Normal.dot may have a
> different "ListTemplate" in that position of
> the "ListGallery". So I presume that means I need to
> supply them a different template file
> (e.g., "MyMacros.dot") with a macro for applying the macro
> Styles and a button on a toolbar to run it. And if they
> want to modify the numbering Styles I need to add code in
> the macro to put up a dialog box to allow them to do the
> changes (I'm currently reading about "UserForms"). Which
> makes me think "Gee, this sounds like something that
> Microsoft could do!" Anyway, I digress. I don't use the
> toolbar buttons to do numbering (thanks for the warning)
> and use Styles for most everything (except for occasional
> partial paragraph underlining, bolding, etc.).
>
> I'll take a look at your code sample and see if it gives
> me more insight. It's been great to experience the
> newsgroups and I'm passing the word (if you'll pardon the
> pun). Thanks again,
>
> TTFN,
> Chris
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi Chris
> >
> >Most of the time now (Word 2002 and the latest SRs of 97
> and 2000) you will
> >get on fine if you a) stick to styles and b) set the
> styles up following
> >Shauna's detailed instructions in
> >
> >http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...tlineNumbering
> .html
> >
> >(lots of other good stuff on this site that may
> illuminate your template
> >questions, too).
> >
> >Personally, I do always set my numbered styles up from
> VBA, because I have
> >the code to do it (don't think it's anything like 1000
> lines!) and I know it
> >is reliable, especially when creating styles that may
> need to be updated
> >from template. However, once the styles are set up
> (either way) you
> >shouldn't have to touch VBA *or* (most important) the
> Bullets and Numbering
> >dialog again, as applying the style will apply the
> correct numbering. The
> >thing to avoid is applying the numbering directly,
> especially using the
> >toolbar buttons.
> >
> >If you want to see a sample of the code I use, see
> >
> >http://www.syntagma.demon.co.uk/FAQs...startFromStyle.
> htm
> >
> >(This is for numbered lists, including a dummy restart
> style, but shows the
> >general principle for creating the list template and
> linking levels to
> >styles.)
> >
> >I see we share an age group and its symptoms <g>.
> >
> >--
> >Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
> >Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
> >Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
> >
> >
> >"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >news:091001c3636a$9502fcb0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Margaret,
> >>
> >> Thank you for your well written reply. I tried your
> >> suggestion of checking the 'Automatically update
> document
> >> styles' checkbox in the Templates and Add-ins dialog box
> >> and it worked like a champ. I had intended to mention
> >> that if I selected "File > New" and then selected
> >> the "MyTemplate" Template, the Styles that I had saved
> >> appeared in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, but,
> >> being over 50, I forgot to add it at the end of my
> >> description.
> >>
> >> As to numbered Styles, I have been on a buggy ride
> with
> >> them for some time. I'm trying to modify some VBA code
> >> (written by MVP John McGhie), that was referenced on the
> >> Word "Numbering" Newsgroup, to be able to reliably
> format
> >> the Numbering Styles to my specifications. It involves
> >> bypassing the Numbering Style Gallery positional
> >> referencing, in order to be able to send the document to
> >> someone else, who will probably have that Numbering
> Style
> >> in a different position in the Gallery. I'm a bit
> >> confounded by the suggestion that anyone trying to use
> >> numbering in Word (a secretary, for example) is expected
> >> to modify a thousand or so lines of VBA code to do it
> >> reliably, whereas, presumably, Microsoft can't supply
> the
> >> VBA code as part of Word with a dialog box to allow the
> >> user to change it reliably. Am I missing something
> here?
> >>
> >> Thanks again,
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Hi Chris
> >> >
> >> >As far as the attachment is concerned, in order to
> bring
> >> the template styles
> >> >into the document you need to check 'Automatically
> update
> >> document styles'
> >> >in the Templates and Add-ins dialog. You should then
> open
> >> the dialog again
> >> >and uncheck the box, because leaving it set can cause
> >> various problems. Note
> >> >that automatically update styles from template isn't
> >> completely reliable for
> >> >numbered styles, and also that the changes to styles
> will
> >> have no effect on
> >> >document text that has been directly formatted,
> >> overriding the style.
> >> >
> >> >However, from your description I wonder whether you
> have
> >> in fact saved your
> >> >styles in the template. If you are working in a
> document,
> >> as opposed to
> >> >having the .dot file open, any changes you make to
> styles
> >> will only affect
> >> >the document, unless you also check the 'Update
> template'
> >> box in the Modify
> >> >dialog. Again, passing the style back to the template
> >> isn't reliable for
> >> >numbered styles - I would always set these up in
> the .dot
> >> file itself.
> >> >
> >> >You can also use the Organizer to copy styles between
> >> documents and
> >> >templates.
> >> >
> >> >The basic concept to remember is that once a document
> has
> >> been 'Newed' from
> >> >a template, it has a life of its own, and getting
> updates
> >> from the document
> >> >back to the template, or vice versa, requires positive
> >> action and may not
> >> >give you a complete match. Numbered styles are buggy,
> and
> >> cascaded styles
> >> >(styles based on other styles) fall into the 'logical
> but
> >> confusing'
> >> >category of Word features.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Margaret Aldis - Microsoft Word MVP
> >> >Syntagma partnership site: http://www.syntagma.co.uk
> >> >Word MVP FAQ site: http://www.mvps.org/word
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Chris" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> >news:073801c362ec$48e44830$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> I'm using Word 2002, SP-1, on Windows 2000.
> >> >> I've created a Template and attached it to a
> document,
> >> >> then I customized the "Heading" Styles, "Body text"
> >> >> Styles, and added some custom Styles. I then
> attempted
> >> to
> >> >> attach my Template to another document so that I
> could
> >> use
> >> >> the modified Styles and custom Styles in that
> document,
> >> >> but when I did the Attach, I don't see the custom
> Styles
> >> >> in the "Styles and Formatting" task pane, and
> >> >> the "Heading" and "Body text" Styles look the same as
> >> they
> >> >> did before I did the Attach. If I select "File >
> >> >> Properties", I see "Template: MyTemplate.dot" on the
> >> >> Summary tab, so it looks as if the attach
> succeeded. Is
> >> >> there anything else I have to do to make the document
> >> >> aware that a different Template is now attached? If
> you
> >> >> could help, it would be much appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >