Hopefully those who have recently bought X1900 cards and other
ATi products claiming to be "HDCP-ready" will never ever need this
feature. HDCP requires a HARDWARE decrytion-key not present
in ANY of ATi's so-called "HDCP-ready" products; there is NO
software fix. ATi conveniently omitted to pay the required license
fees and include the hardware, but still were quite happy to
advertise a non-existent feature. Seems as if ATi Marketing continue
to divorce themselves from reality, with regard to ghost product
announcements and now..... ghost features !! About time somebody
there got fired............

This is a whole lot worse than drivers tweaked for optimal benchmark
performance. Seems like a very sound basis for a class-action suit.
Looks as if ATi needs to recall and offer full refunds to any customer
unhappy with the situation.

ATI is now quietly removing all references to "HDCP-ready" from their
"literature". I would suggest that any current owners of the so-called
"HDCP-ready" products take a quick snapshot of the published
specs before the "HDCP-ready" reference disappears !!

For more detailed information on the problem, see:-

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=851

and the various linked references from this article.

John Lewis

>****ing snip<

Could you please just post these silly tirades to the relevant newsgroups.

alt.geeky.nvidia.fanboy , should do the trick.

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:09:29 GMT, (E-Mail Removed) (John Lewis)
wrote:

>Hopefully those who have recently bought X1900 cards and other
>ATi products claiming to be "HDCP-ready" will never ever need this
>feature. HDCP requires a HARDWARE decrytion-key not present
>in ANY of ATi's so-called "HDCP-ready" products; there is NO
>software fix. ATi conveniently omitted to pay the required license
>fees and include the hardware, but still were quite happy to
>advertise a non-existent feature. Seems as if ATi Marketing continue
>to divorce themselves from reality, with regard to ghost product
>announcements and now..... ghost features !! About time somebody
>there got fired............
>
>This is a whole lot worse than drivers tweaked for optimal benchmark
>performance. Seems like a very sound basis for a class-action suit.
>Looks as if ATi needs to recall and offer full refunds to any customer
>unhappy with the situation.
>
>ATI is now quietly removing all references to "HDCP-ready" from their
>"literature". I would suggest that any current owners of the so-called
>"HDCP-ready" products take a quick snapshot of the published
>specs before the "HDCP-ready" reference disappears !!
>
>For more detailed information on the problem, see:-
>
>http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=851
>
>and the various linked references from this article.

I'm not sure ATI talks about their GPUs or own-branded boards. As for
the GPU, this can be OK, but it is up to the manufacturer of a board,
e.g. Asus, MSI etc. to include the technology that is needed in
addition to the GPU. For all now this is a matter of cost. Company X
will look at Company Y -- if they don't have it, neither will the
other.

So, ATI *can* claim that their GPUs are ready for this technology.
They should advice their partners to include the technology. On the
other hand, information given on the GPU itself can easily be taken as
information related to all products that use the GPU...

For many the introduction of this technology will bring problems. Lots
of problems. For ordinary people this will be very hard to understand.
I think in the end we baiscly all lose :-\




--
Clas Mehus
- "Den som har flest prylar när han dör vinner..."

What is HDCP ? If it is at all related to HDR, and the Shaders,
and all the rest of the so-called "improvements" that are no
longer being developed for PC gamers, then I don't blame them
for not paying the fees for something that they will not be able
to market. I blame it squarely on the Xbox 360 which is taking
over the game market, and has captured the development of
so-called 250 new games. Now we are heading for PC games
on Vista, but is this HDCP ready for that ?? All I see is a big
putting on of the brakes by companies deciding which market
to support.

johns

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:37:04 +0100, Clas Mehus <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:


>I'm not sure ATI talks about their GPUs or own-branded boards. As for
>the GPU, this can be OK, but it is up to the manufacturer of a board,
>e.g. Asus, MSI etc. to include the technology that is needed in
>addition to the GPU. For all now this is a matter of cost. Company X
>will look at Company Y -- if they don't have it, neither will the
>other.
>

Nothing to do with the ATi GPUs themselves at all. The HDCP key-logic
silicon is external to the GPU.

It is the claims made on behalf of the ATi-built BOARDS and those
from their "board-partners" that are under scrutiny. It seems as if
some of their "partners" replicated the ATi claims without independent
technical scrutiny. Many board-partners just make their own versions
of Ati's reference-designs with little or no functional change, except
for memory choices and overclock-selection, thus there would be no
triggering reason for a separate technical review of an ATi claim
that has nothing to do with such trivial partner-specific changes.

ATi is now scurrying to fix their claims, at least on their web-sites.

How long the 3rd-parties take to fix their specs is up to them. But a
significant quantity of product has already been shipped attached to
this false claim. I wonder how many of the retail boxes have
HDCP-ready claims in the printed box-art or attached stickers ??

John Lewis

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:18:57 +0100, "redTed"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>>****ing snip<
>
>Could you please just post these silly tirades to the relevant newsgroups.
>

An ATi subject should surely be posted to an ATi newsgroup ?

Ostrich reaction ?


>alt.geeky.nvidia.fanboy , should do the trick.
>

Doesn't exist, but I did cross-post to the nVidia videocard newsgroup.

Happy now ?

John Lewis

Yada yada yada. It's not like anyone bought an X1900 for its HDCP
features...

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:09:29 GMT, (E-Mail Removed) (John Lewis)
wrote:
>
>>Hopefully those who have recently bought X1900 cards and other
>>ATi products claiming to be "HDCP-ready" will never ever need this
>>feature. HDCP requires a HARDWARE decrytion-key not present
>>in ANY of ATi's so-called "HDCP-ready" products; there is NO
>>software fix. ATi conveniently omitted to pay the required license
>>fees and include the hardware, but still were quite happy to
>>advertise a non-existent feature. Seems as if ATi Marketing continue
>>to divorce themselves from reality, with regard to ghost product
>>announcements and now..... ghost features !! About time somebody
>>there got fired............
>>
>>This is a whole lot worse than drivers tweaked for optimal benchmark
>>performance. Seems like a very sound basis for a class-action suit.
>>Looks as if ATi needs to recall and offer full refunds to any customer
>>unhappy with the situation.
>>
>>ATI is now quietly removing all references to "HDCP-ready" from their
>>"literature". I would suggest that any current owners of the so-called
>>"HDCP-ready" products take a quick snapshot of the published
>>specs before the "HDCP-ready" reference disappears !!
>>
>>For more detailed information on the problem, see:-
>>
>>http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=851
>>
>>and the various linked references from this article.

On 17 Feb 2006 13:04:05 -0800, "johns" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>What is HDCP ? If it is at all related to HDR, and the Shaders,
>and all the rest of the so-called "improvements" that are no
>longer being developed for PC gamers, then I don't blame them
>for not paying the fees for something that they will not be able
>to market. I blame it squarely on the Xbox 360 which is taking
>over the game market, and has captured the development of
>so-called 250 new games. Now we are heading for PC games
>on Vista, but is this HDCP ready for that ?? All I see is a big
>putting on of the brakes by companies deciding which market
>to support.
>
>johns
>

High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection.

See the article and the first link in the article. Plus Google is your
friend for lots of extra information.

( http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=851)

Vista will fully support HDCP.

John Lewis




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I wish everybody would just refuse to purchase any hardware or software that
has this technology in it. That will make the studios pushing this crap
onto the consumer stop this insanity.

Anyone ever here of fair-use laws? If I want to make a copy to archive and
run off of a copy for every day use, its my business. If I want to run a
video cable to a second TV in my house, its my business. No one has the
right to tell me otherwise. I bout the hardware / software, IT BELONGS TO
ME!

The digital copyright laws are a farce. The professionals get around all
this stuff. It's like locks on doors - it only keeps honest people honest,
the pros just work through the locks. Only the small guy is inconvietced.
If you don't believe it, go to Taiwan or China, boot-leg is all over the
place, sometimes before the titles are released in the USA - go figure.

Not only is the Blue-Ray or HD player required to have a chip, so is the
computer, graphics card, and the monitor. And lets not forget the regional
codes on the software itself. All this can mess up the data feed and cause
the system to fall back to less-than-paid-for quality. What a joke.

Anyone care to bet how long it takes before crackers are available on the
net to circumvent all of this stuff?

What a waste.

Bill

Give me my VHS tape recorder.

"William" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>I wish everybody would just refuse to purchase any hardware or software
>that has this technology in it. That will make the studios pushing this
>crap onto the consumer stop this insanity.
>
> Anyone ever here of fair-use laws? If I want to make a copy to archive
> and run off of a copy for every day use, its my business. If I want to
> run a video cable to a second TV in my house, its my business. No one has
> the right to tell me otherwise. I bout the hardware / software, IT
> BELONGS TO ME!
>
> The digital copyright laws are a farce. The professionals get around all
> this stuff. It's like locks on doors - it only keeps honest people
> honest, the pros just work through the locks. Only the small guy is
> inconvietced. If you don't believe it, go to Taiwan or China, boot-leg is
> all over the place, sometimes before the titles are released in the USA -
> go figure.
>
> Not only is the Blue-Ray or HD player required to have a chip, so is the
> computer, graphics card, and the monitor. And lets not forget the
> regional codes on the software itself. All this can mess up the data feed
> and cause the system to fall back to less-than-paid-for quality. What a
> joke.
>
> Anyone care to bet how long it takes before crackers are available on the
> net to circumvent all of this stuff?
>
> What a waste.
>
> Bill
>
> Give me my VHS tape recorder.
>

You might want to read the statement on software CD&DVD that you buy. You
don't own the software.
Just the right to use it.

In some area's, You cant split off the end of the cable to feed another TV.
In my area, It's free. But a friend in another town has to pay 1.50 a month
for the other feed which is just split from the one line.