Just got myself an X1900XT. Does anyone know if ATi's Control Panel
(specifically the one included in the Cat 6.3 FireMV drivers) work with this
card?

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

"First of One" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Just got myself an X1900XT. Does anyone know if ATi's Control Panel
> (specifically the one included in the Cat 6.3 FireMV drivers) work with
> this card?
>
> --
> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
>

Haven't tried it on my 1900... I've slowly succumbed to the CCC. I'm not
happy about it, but I guess I've gotten used to it. I'll tell ya though that
people with less than 2GB of RAM are in a very unfortunate situation now
that CCC has been forced upon us. What a resource HOG!!

Before I went the CP route I'd go the ATI Tray Tools route (I might go this
way soon). CP is deprecated.

Tony

"Tony DiMarzio" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Haven't tried it on my 1900... I've slowly succumbed to the CCC. I'm not
> happy about it, but I guess I've gotten used to it. I'll tell ya though
> that people with less than 2GB of RAM are in a very unfortunate situation
> now that CCC has been forced upon us. What a resource HOG!!

2 GB of RAM or not, that extra 30 sec of load time when you boot Windows is
a chore. I think CCC may actually be a necessary evil for the few people
running X1900 Crossfire. I'll stay away from it... unless Oblivion doesn't
run fast enough using a single card.

> Before I went the CP route I'd go the ATI Tray Tools route (I might go
> this way soon). CP is deprecated.

Yeah, I think I'll have to use ATT as well. The Control Panel is missing
features like Adaptive AA.

BTW, it's interesting to see ATi using eggcrate foam in its packaging. I
guess the card is heavy enough to crush some components on the underside of
the PCB if left on a hard surface...

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:45:10 -0400, "Tony DiMarzio"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"First of One" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Just got myself an X1900XT. Does anyone know if ATi's Control Panel
>> (specifically the one included in the Cat 6.3 FireMV drivers) work with
>> this card?
>>
>> --
>> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
>> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
>> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
>>
>
>Haven't tried it on my 1900... I've slowly succumbed to the CCC. I'm not
>happy about it, but I guess I've gotten used to it. I'll tell ya though that
>people with less than 2GB of RAM are in a very unfortunate situation now
>that CCC has been forced upon us. What a resource HOG!!
>
>Before I went the CP route I'd go the ATI Tray Tools route (I might go this
>way soon). CP is deprecated.
>
>Tony
>
HAAAha all this gossip about ccc that suck out the memory out of your
pc is all false. I've manage to live with 512mb + ccc + a 9800pro for
long. Have you notice any difference from 512 to 2 gig. Have you try
to bech this kind of telling. You should do 4 test for that

1. try 512mb of ram and 3dmark06 with ccc
2. try it again by turning of ccc and all it related...

3. try again all that but with 2gig of ram + ccc
4. *** whitout ccc.


So to continue from where i star with my 9800pro, later i've switch
for a x700pro and 1g of ram... i find out that one gig of ram "with or
whitout ccc" was really helping my pc.

Then i add an other 512 meg of ram just to see how mutch it would
increase the performance of the pc and guess what, nothing
noticable... in both case "with and whitout the ccc". 3dmark05 always
show the same score.


Now i'm back to 1gig of ram + a x800 128meg pci-e from msi. my best
score at default is 4044 in 3dmark05 witch is the top performance of
that kind of card. And that is acheave with ccc.

You have 2 gig of ram and all test shows "internet one" that you only
need 1 gig of ram to get all that you can from a pc game. 2 gig is a
waste of money unless that you run a server at home.

"DDC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:45:10 -0400, "Tony DiMarzio"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>"First of One" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Just got myself an X1900XT. Does anyone know if ATi's Control Panel
>>> (specifically the one included in the Cat 6.3 FireMV drivers) work with
>>> this card?
>>>
>>> --
>>> "War is the continuation of politics by other means.
>>> It can therefore be said that politics is war without
>>> bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."
>>>
>>
>>Haven't tried it on my 1900... I've slowly succumbed to the CCC. I'm not
>>happy about it, but I guess I've gotten used to it. I'll tell ya though
>>that
>>people with less than 2GB of RAM are in a very unfortunate situation now
>>that CCC has been forced upon us. What a resource HOG!!
>>
>>Before I went the CP route I'd go the ATI Tray Tools route (I might go
>>this
>>way soon). CP is deprecated.
>>
>>Tony
>>
> HAAAha all this gossip about ccc that suck out the memory out of your
> pc is all false. I've manage to live with 512mb + ccc + a 9800pro for
> long. Have you notice any difference from 512 to 2 gig. Have you try
> to bech this kind of telling. You should do 4 test for that
>
> 1. try 512mb of ram and 3dmark06 with ccc
> 2. try it again by turning of ccc and all it related...
>
> 3. try again all that but with 2gig of ram + ccc
> 4. *** whitout ccc.
>
>
> So to continue from where i star with my 9800pro, later i've switch
> for a x700pro and 1g of ram... i find out that one gig of ram "with or
> whitout ccc" was really helping my pc.
>
> Then i add an other 512 meg of ram just to see how mutch it would
> increase the performance of the pc and guess what, nothing
> noticable... in both case "with and whitout the ccc". 3dmark05 always
> show the same score.
>
>
> Now i'm back to 1gig of ram + a x800 128meg pci-e from msi. my best
> score at default is 4044 in 3dmark05 witch is the top performance of
> that kind of card. And that is acheave with ccc.
>
> You have 2 gig of ram and all test shows "internet one" that you only
> need 1 gig of ram to get all that you can from a pc game. 2 gig is a
> waste of money unless that you run a server at home.
>

No. 2GB of RAM is very necessary for an increasing set of applications. 4GB
will be necessary before you know it. Here are a few of the games/apps that
I run now that benefit greatly from 2GB of RAM over 1GB. The improvement is
even more noticeable in a multitasking environment. Let's put it this way;
when I'm done playing the game in question, I want to launch IE and Outlook
Express and explorer etc etc with the same speed as before I entered the
game. This means that nothing should have been pushed to swap as a result of
playing the game.

- Battlefield2
- Steam/HL2 or CS:S
- Black and White 2
- Multi-gigabyte Torrents can eat up a ton of RAM... at least in Bit-tornado
they do.
- F.E.A.R.

the list goes on... and will only increase with time.

None of this is to say that running the above is impossible with 1GB of RAM.
On the contrary, many will find the performance acceptable with 1 GB.
However, I'm a speed freak. I've always been. I'm very impatient. I want the
fastest cars, the fastest bikes, the fastest computers, the fastest
anything. My dream job is to be a fighter pilot and get behind the stick of
an F22, but, unfortunately, my eye sight is not good enough. Ironically, my
eye sight is no good from my early PC days when I would spend 10 hours a day
staring at a shitty 15" monitor. So, by the time I graduated high-school my
eye sight had deteriorated to the point where I never could have flown one
of the super jets. As a result, I work with computers for a living

Sorry for the digression. What I was getting at is, for me, there is a very,
very significant difference between 1GB and 2GB and now that I've had 2GB I
could never go back to 1 and enjoy the same speed and smoothness with my
application set that I do now. Damn run on sentences.

Tony

>No. 2GB of RAM is very necessary for an increasing set of applications. 4GB
>will be necessary before you know it. Here are a few of the games/apps that
>I run now that benefit greatly from 2GB of RAM over 1GB. The improvement is
>even more noticeable in a multitasking environment. Let's put it this way;
>when I'm done playing the game in question, I want to launch IE and Outlook
>Express and explorer etc etc with the same speed as before I entered the
>game. This means that nothing should have been pushed to swap as a result of
>playing the game.
>
>- Battlefield2
>- Steam/HL2 or CS:S
>- Black and White 2
>- Multi-gigabyte Torrents can eat up a ton of RAM... at least in Bit-tornado
>they do.
>- F.E.A.R.
>
>the list goes on... and will only increase with time.
>
>None of this is to say that running the above is impossible with 1GB of RAM.
>On the contrary, many will find the performance acceptable with 1 GB.
>However, I'm a speed freak. I've always been. I'm very impatient. I want the
>fastest cars, the fastest bikes, the fastest computers, the fastest
>anything. My dream job is to be a fighter pilot and get behind the stick of
>an F22, but, unfortunately, my eye sight is not good enough. Ironically, my
>eye sight is no good from my early PC days when I would spend 10 hours a day
>staring at a shitty 15" monitor. So, by the time I graduated high-school my
>eye sight had deteriorated to the point where I never could have flown one
>of the super jets. As a result, I work with computers for a living
>
>Sorry for the digression. What I was getting at is, for me, there is a very,
>very significant difference between 1GB and 2GB and now that I've had 2GB I
>could never go back to 1 and enjoy the same speed and smoothness with my
>application set that I do now. Damn run on sentences.
>
>Tony
>

Then maybe it a memory leak that doesn't dump the extra memory that
was hold by your games. It could be something else, i'm not an expert
on the subject...

So as you are the expert here, could you tell me what kind of memory
you have, my guess is that you got a dual kit mem and run it as a
single channel mem...

Does it matter if i get a fast timing memory like the crucial
ballistic one or the hyper x from Kingston. Also, does it matter if i
get a regular mem like 2 gig of low end mem "with high timing" or if i
chose 1 gig of mem with low timing. What could i expect?

Finally
I intend to match that with a pcie x1800gto from sapphire witch is
what i can get for my use and time that i pass on the pc. I know that
there is allot of card in that range that can out perform it, like the
7600gt or the 7800gs. But i stand for a more conservative choice.

I like ati for it's quality image and would not want to lost that,
i've always been an ati guy sense my second purchase a 9800pro witch
bring me back to 2 years from now. I could get something more like the
x1800xl but as i'm keeping my old ctr that run at 1024x768 i think the
x1800gto will suite my need for a long time.


ddc

"DDC" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>No. 2GB of RAM is very necessary for an increasing set of applications.
>>4GB
>>will be necessary before you know it. Here are a few of the games/apps
>>that
>>I run now that benefit greatly from 2GB of RAM over 1GB. The improvement
>>is
>>even more noticeable in a multitasking environment. Let's put it this way;
>>when I'm done playing the game in question, I want to launch IE and
>>Outlook
>>Express and explorer etc etc with the same speed as before I entered the
>>game. This means that nothing should have been pushed to swap as a result
>>of
>>playing the game.
>>
>>- Battlefield2
>>- Steam/HL2 or CS:S
>>- Black and White 2
>>- Multi-gigabyte Torrents can eat up a ton of RAM... at least in
>>Bit-tornado
>>they do.
>>- F.E.A.R.
>>
>>the list goes on... and will only increase with time.
>>
>>None of this is to say that running the above is impossible with 1GB of
>>RAM.
>>On the contrary, many will find the performance acceptable with 1 GB.
>>However, I'm a speed freak. I've always been. I'm very impatient. I want
>>the
>>fastest cars, the fastest bikes, the fastest computers, the fastest
>>anything. My dream job is to be a fighter pilot and get behind the stick
>>of
>>an F22, but, unfortunately, my eye sight is not good enough. Ironically,
>>my
>>eye sight is no good from my early PC days when I would spend 10 hours a
>>day
>>staring at a shitty 15" monitor. So, by the time I graduated high-school
>>my
>>eye sight had deteriorated to the point where I never could have flown one
>>of the super jets. As a result, I work with computers for a living
>>
>>Sorry for the digression. What I was getting at is, for me, there is a
>>very,
>>very significant difference between 1GB and 2GB and now that I've had 2GB
>>I
>>could never go back to 1 and enjoy the same speed and smoothness with my
>>application set that I do now. Damn run on sentences.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>
> Then maybe it a memory leak that doesn't dump the extra memory that
> was hold by your games. It could be something else, i'm not an expert
> on the subject...

A memory leak causes an app to continuosly eat memory, while it is running,
indefinitely. However, once that process dies, regardless of whether or not
it had a leak, all of its memory is released to the OS. This basic memory
handling is a function of the system kernel - not the app.

> So as you are the expert here, could you tell me what kind of memory
> you have, my guess is that you got a dual kit mem and run it as a
> single channel mem...

2048mb (2 x (1024mb OCZ Platinum EL (2.5-3-2-5-2T) DDR400/PC3200) Dual
Channel)
... So, two sticks of "Extremely Low Latency" OCZ DDR400 RAM with 2.5-3-2-5
2T timings ( could never achieve 1T stabily with my current CPU. it is a
very early revision FX-53 core that likely has a buggy memory controller )
run in Dual Channel. I prefer OCZ over Crucial or the other "name brands".

>
> Does it matter if i get a fast timing memory like the crucial
> ballistic one or the hyper x from Kingston. Also, does it matter if i
> get a regular mem like 2 gig of low end mem "with high timing" or if i
> chose 1 gig of mem with low timing. What could i expect?

Intel CPU systems seem to be affected very greatly by the additional latency
of cheap RAM. Because, in Intel systems, the memory controller is separate
from the CPU core, there is some multiplicative effect of the higher latency
RAM. Now AMD is the exact opposite. Since the very first Athlon 64 (someone
correct me if i'm wrong) the memory controller has been embedded in the CPU
core. AMD is not affected _very_ much by additional memory latency... but it
is not immune. In all likelyness you'd be perfectly happy with 2 GB ( 1GB by
2 sticks ) of average latency RAM. DONT buy the cheapest **** you can find -
we're talking about your system memory here

If you search the web a little you should be able to find some comparisons
that give some realworld numbers for you to look at. Sorry I don't have any,
but to give you an idea I can remember shifting my memory timings towards
CL5 and losing about 5-7% FPS in Doom3.

> Finally
> I intend to match that with a pcie x1800gto from sapphire witch is
> what i can get for my use and time that i pass on the pc. I know that
> there is allot of card in that range that can out perform it, like the
> 7600gt or the 7800gs. But i stand for a more conservative choice.

I have an X1900XTX overclocked so you can see where I stand with being
conservative on the matter

> I like ati for it's quality image and would not want to lost that,
> i've always been an ati guy sense my second purchase a 9800pro witch
> bring me back to 2 years from now. I could get something more like the
> x1800xl but as i'm keeping my old ctr that run at 1024x768 i think the
> x1800gto will suite my need for a long time.
>
>
> ddc

I like ATI as well... also since my 9800 pro which was my last video card
( well... i had an X1800XT for like 2 weeks but that's a long (or short)
story.)

I think the X1900GTO is scheduled to be released very shortly... gimme a
sec.

Here http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31117
and here http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31102 **** they're postponed
til May

Good luck!

Tony