Ok the motherboard is P4S533-X with:

Intel Celeron 2.2Ghz Processor
512Mb RAM (2 x 256Mb PC133 DIMM's)
ATI Radeon 7000 64Mb AGP 4x
Maxtor 40Gb 7200rpm hard drive


I'm only just putting this system together so at present this is all
that is inside the box. Nothing is installed on the hard drive,
including no OS. I am simply going to the BIOS for now.

Now the questions:

1) What is a nominal operating temperature for the proc. ? Presently
running around 42-44C (102-105F). And I know, that is nothing
considering that nothing is running yet.



2) The case has front panel USB/Audio in the format of two USB ports
and two audio ports, they appear to be a MIC-in and SPEAKER-out.

The 8 connectors are all single prong connectors and are as follows:
D-(1)
D+(1)
VCC
GND
D-(2)
D+(2)
VCC
GND

The M/B shows the connections for Front Panel USB as
USB+5V
USB_P5-
USB_P5+
GND
USB+6V
USB_P6-
USB_P6+
GND
NC (left unused I believe)

Which goes where? I can find no information on the internet regarding
this setup at all.


3) Where would I connect the Audio to the M/B? ??


4) When it boots up, if I let it go all the way to where it will tell
me there is no system disk, it displays an error message prior to
listing the devices it finds and what IRQ's they have. The message is:

<BIOS:> BIOS update data incorrect. CPUID 00000F29,

That is it exactly. Nothing after the comma, and I am not sure what
the error means. The CPU is identified as a 2200Mhz processor in the
BIOS.

Any ideas?





Thanks in advance, and sorry for being so long-winded.


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I'll try two of 'em

2) The case has front panel USB/Audio in the format of two USB
ports
> and two audio ports, they appear to be a MIC-in and SPEAKER-out.

> The 8 connectors are all single prong connectors and are as
follows:
There are two sets of connectors..The (1)s go into 5, the (2)s go
into 6..
So...

> The M/B shows the connections for Front Panel USB as
USB+5V = VCC(1)
USB_P5- = d-(1)
USB_P5+ = d+(1)
GND = GND(1)

Do the same for the other row



> 3) Where would I connect the Audio to the M/B? ??
The cdrom four pin audio cable can be plugged in from the cdrom to
the small four pin bracket called CD or CD-ROM (AUX will work as
well)

I assume you want to know where the front panel audio connects to
the motherboard?
From the boards i've seen, there is usually a pin grouping similar
to the usb ones near the pci slots(near the edge-side of the
motherboard).
Again, from my experience, it is either from the front or from the
back..not both.
There likely is a jumper that you will have to remove.
If you don't have a manual, you may need to download it, certainly
will have to, if your audio connectors don't come in a big block..

jo

> 4) When it boots up, if I let it go all the way to where it will
tell
> me there is no system disk, it displays an error message prior
to
> listing the devices it finds and what IRQ's they have. The
message is:
>
> <BIOS:> BIOS update data incorrect. CPUID 00000F29,
>
> That is it exactly. Nothing after the comma, and I am not sure
what
> the error means. The CPU is identified as a 2200Mhz processor
in the
> BIOS.
>

Oh. Just found the answer to this one.
Do a google search for:
BIOS update data incorrect

comes up with you may need to flash your bios
go to asus's website..and download the latest bios.
unzip it, put it on a disk. put it in your troubled computer.
iirc, you then press alt-f2 or alt-shift-f2 and it should update
your bios but you should verify that on the website or in your
manual..

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Brian
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Ok the motherboard is P4S533-X with:
>
> Intel Celeron 2.2Ghz Processor
> 512Mb RAM (2 x 256Mb PC133 DIMM's)
> ATI Radeon 7000 64Mb AGP 4x
> Maxtor 40Gb 7200rpm hard drive
>
>
> I'm only just putting this system together so at present this is all
> that is inside the box. Nothing is installed on the hard drive,
> including no OS. I am simply going to the BIOS for now.
>
> Now the questions:
>
> 1) What is a nominal operating temperature for the proc. ? Presently
> running around 42-44C (102-105F). And I know, that is nothing
> considering that nothing is running yet.
>
That temperature is slightly high for idle. The thing is, the
temperature has to be compared to the air temp inside the case.
If the so-called motherboard temperature is reading high (higher
than room temperature), then the case needs more ventilation.
You can verify this partially by taking the side off the computer.
If the processor temperature drops, then the case needs another
fan. If you only have the power supply fan, that is not enough.
I would install a case fan in the back of the case, blowing out.
This will help pull more cool air in the front. Then, check the
processor temp again, and it should be somewhere around 35-40 or so.

>
>
> 2) The case has front panel USB/Audio in the format of two USB ports
> and two audio ports, they appear to be a MIC-in and SPEAKER-out.
>
> The 8 connectors are all single prong connectors and are as follows:
> D-(1)
> D+(1)
> VCC
> GND
> D-(2)
> D+(2)
> VCC
> GND
>
> The M/B shows the connections for Front Panel USB as
> USB+5V
> USB_P5-
> USB_P5+
> GND
> USB+6V
> USB_P6-
> USB_P6+
> GND
> NC (left unused I believe)
>
> Which goes where? I can find no information on the internet regarding
> this setup at all.

Jody gave you the right answer for this. VCC=+5, P5-=D-, P5+=D+,GND=GND.

>
>
> 3) Where would I connect the Audio to the M/B? ??
>

Look for the FP_AUDIO1 header. It is a 2x5 header between slots 3 and 4.
Your case needs an "Intel Compatible" audio cable to work properly.
If your case isn't Intel Compatible, the sound will only come out of
the front connector, and no longer the back. For sound to come out of the
back normally, the two jumpers you find there have to be in place.
Don't lose them. Intel compatible audio is defined here on pg.19

http://www.formfactors.org/developer..._guideline.pdf

>
> 4) When it boots up, if I let it go all the way to where it will tell
> me there is no system disk, it displays an error message prior to
> listing the devices it finds and what IRQ's they have. The message is:
>
> <BIOS:> BIOS update data incorrect. CPUID 00000F29,
>
> That is it exactly. Nothing after the comma, and I am not sure what
> the error means. The CPU is identified as a 2200Mhz processor in the
> BIOS.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance, and sorry for being so long-winded.

That means a microcode update is missing. The BIOS does understand what
kind of processor you've got, as it identifies the MHz properly. But
what it doesn't have, is the right 2KB patch info to load into a special
RAM in the processor. Updating the BIOS will fix this, as long as the
new BIOS has the correct info for 0F29. For a recipe that uses the
CTMC program, search Google for "0F29 CTMC" or maybe add the term
"microcode" for some hints on how to fix it - CTMC is for motherboards
where the BIOS is no longer being updated by Asus.

HTH,
Paul

Thanks Jody, Paul, your information has been very helpful. I will go
over what was corrected and what is still outstanding....

>Ok the motherboard is P4S533-X with:
>
>Intel Celeron 2.2Ghz Processor
>512Mb RAM (2 x 256Mb PC133 DIMM's)
>ATI Radeon 7000 64Mb AGP 4x
>Maxtor 40Gb 7200rpm hard drive
>
>Now the questions:
>
>1) What is a nominal operating temperature for the proc. ? Presently
>running around 42-44C (102-105F). And I know, that is nothing
>considering that nothing is running yet.

Paul, you suggested that 35-40 is an ideal temp for idle. I am still
around 42-44. I have the power supply fan and a second case fan
blowing out in the back, as well as a third case fan blowing in from
the front. Including the CPU fan blowing off the CPU. The fans are
situated so as to have air drawn in from the bottom-front and
circulated then exhausted from the back-top of the case. The room
temperature is about 60F.

Not to question your advice, but I'm under the belief that 60C is the
danger mark for a processor. 50C is a real warning level. Am I correct
in this or am I going to fry the proc?


>2) The case has front panel USB/Audio in the format of two USB ports
>and two audio ports, they appear to be a MIC-in and SPEAKER-out.
>
>The 8 connectors are all single prong connectors and are as follows:
> D-(1), D+(1), VCC, GND, D-(2), D+(2), VCC, GND
>
>The M/B shows the connections for Front Panel USB as
> USB+5V, USB_P5-, USB_P5+, GND, USB+6V, USB_P6-, USB_P6+, GND
> NC (left unused I believe)

Hah, cudo's to me, I actually guessed this one right, but thanks to
you both for confirming that for me.


>3) Where would I connect the Audio to the M/B? ??

I might have answered this one myself, good thing too since I was
obviously not clear on what I was looking for.

The front panel PSB actually has two unused connections to it, those
are the ones I have to connect to the FP_AUDIO1 connection that one of
you mentioned. I think I will simply ignore those, as connecting the
speakers to the back is fine.


>4) When it boots up, if I let it go all the way to where it will tell
>me there is no system disk, it displays an error message prior to
>listing the devices it finds and what IRQ's they have. The message is:
>
><BIOS:> BIOS update data incorrect. CPUID 00000F29,
>
>That is it exactly. Nothing after the comma, and I am not sure what
>the error means. The CPU is identified as a 2200Mhz processor in the
>BIOS.

As for this one. The BIOS is up-to-date here, ie. Ver. 1004. There is
a 1005 beta, but according to ASUS's website the 1004 is sufficient to
the processor I am using. I am wondering if the fact that my RAM is
133Mhz DIMM's if that has something to do with the problem. According
to the BIOS my system is set at 100 FSB with a 22 Multiplier. I might
have to upgrade my RAM to 512 DDR @ 400Mhz (darn it all!) Outside
of that I am out of answers for this one.





Thanks again for your assistance, it is truly appreciated.


----------------------------------------------
Brian Howe
------------
Information is power.
Thanks to all who empower me
----------------------------------------------

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Brian
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Thanks Jody, Paul, your information has been very helpful. I will go
> over what was corrected and what is still outstanding....
>
> >Ok the motherboard is P4S533-X with:
> >
> >Intel Celeron 2.2Ghz Processor
> >512Mb RAM (2 x 256Mb PC133 DIMM's)
> >ATI Radeon 7000 64Mb AGP 4x
> >Maxtor 40Gb 7200rpm hard drive
> >
> >Now the questions:
> >
> >1) What is a nominal operating temperature for the proc. ? Presently
> >running around 42-44C (102-105F). And I know, that is nothing
> >considering that nothing is running yet.
>
> Paul, you suggested that 35-40 is an ideal temp for idle. I am still
> around 42-44. I have the power supply fan and a second case fan
> blowing out in the back, as well as a third case fan blowing in from
> the front. Including the CPU fan blowing off the CPU. The fans are
> situated so as to have air drawn in from the bottom-front and
> circulated then exhausted from the back-top of the case. The room
> temperature is about 60F.
>
> Not to question your advice, but I'm under the belief that 60C is the
> danger mark for a processor. 50C is a real warning level. Am I correct
> in this or am I going to fry the proc?

My response was purely a subjective one, comparing your cooling
performance to the average user. You are correct, that you aren't even
close to frying anything. In fact, most processors could run a lot
hotter than they do. The thing is, you have one of the lower power
dissipation processors in the Pentium 4 line. I won't bother to look it
up again, but it should be in the 58 Watt max power area, whereas a
top of the line Pentium can be 85 Watts or so. Based on the low
dissipation, I was expecting a lower temperature to exist. If you
have a higher temperature, it is a good idea to add a bit of case
cooling, so the drives don't run too hot. Based on your description of
the fans, it sounds like you have that covered, and I wouldn't suggest
adding any more.

On the processor heatsink, I like to use a little Arctic Silver
(AS3), instead of the "black stuff" that Intel uses, but each
person has their own preferences. The Intel stuff looks to be good
for one use, before it gets scratched and scuffed on the retail
heatsink/fan. If you frequently remove the HSF, keeping a tube of
something handy is a good idea.

If anything, a neglected area of concern is the hard disk temperature.
Having a high case temperature can shorten the drive life. IBM publishes
a curve of allowed temperature versus humidity for a given product
life, and if you run 60 percent humidity in the room, you can get
pretty close to the curve. (If you have air conditioning, you won't
get there, but a house without air conditioning will get there in
the summer.) I guess as a result, I like to see the temperatures
kept down. You didn't state the case temperature you've got, and
it is good to state both case and CPU temperatures, so they can
both be considered.

I think in one of their new computers, Apple used an air temperature
of 50C as the trigger point for one of the cooling fans. They did
that to try to keep the product quiet. Since the case is divided into
separate sections, not all the components suffer the same conditions.
So, by design, it is possible to subject some of the components to higher
ambient temperatures without a problem.

>
>
> >2) The case has front panel USB/Audio in the format of two USB ports
> >and two audio ports, they appear to be a MIC-in and SPEAKER-out.
> >
> >The 8 connectors are all single prong connectors and are as follows:
> > D-(1), D+(1), VCC, GND, D-(2), D+(2), VCC, GND
> >
> >The M/B shows the connections for Front Panel USB as
> > USB+5V, USB_P5-, USB_P5+, GND, USB+6V, USB_P6-, USB_P6+, GND
> > NC (left unused I believe)
>
> Hah, cudo's to me, I actually guessed this one right, but thanks to
> you both for confirming that for me.
>
>
> >3) Where would I connect the Audio to the M/B? ??
>
> I might have answered this one myself, good thing too since I was
> obviously not clear on what I was looking for.
>
> The front panel PSB actually has two unused connections to it, those
> are the ones I have to connect to the FP_AUDIO1 connection that one of
> you mentioned. I think I will simply ignore those, as connecting the
> speakers to the back is fine.
>
>
> >4) When it boots up, if I let it go all the way to where it will tell
> >me there is no system disk, it displays an error message prior to
> >listing the devices it finds and what IRQ's they have. The message is:
> >
> ><BIOS:> BIOS update data incorrect. CPUID 00000F29,
> >
> >That is it exactly. Nothing after the comma, and I am not sure what
> >the error means. The CPU is identified as a 2200Mhz processor in the
> >BIOS.
>
> As for this one. The BIOS is up-to-date here, ie. Ver. 1004. There is
> a 1005 beta, but according to ASUS's website the 1004 is sufficient to
> the processor I am using. I am wondering if the fact that my RAM is
> 133Mhz DIMM's if that has something to do with the problem. According
> to the BIOS my system is set at 100 FSB with a 22 Multiplier. I might
> have to upgrade my RAM to 512 DDR @ 400Mhz (darn it all!) Outside
> of that I am out of answers for this one.
>

What you aren't taking into account, is that at a given CPU MHz number,
there are a number of different SSPEC processors released. When new ones
come out, sometimes they change the CPUID, because they are actually
using a different mask or process revision. It is still possible the
beta BIOS will solve your problem. If you are worried about the
possibility of borking the BIOS by flashing, there is a recipe using
CTMC, where you extract a 2KB microcode from one BIOS and have CTMC
put the microcode in a cache area of the BIOS chip. This is safer than
flashing the BIOS, because the area is volatile and gets updated every
time a different CPUID processor is inserted in the 478 pin socket.
Asus cannot release a motherboard if that cache area cannot be updated
reliably, hence fooling with the area is "safer".

I analysed a similar motherboard P4S533-E BIOS a while back, and
detected that indeed the beta BIOS for that particular motherboard had
one extra CPUID in it. There is a good possibility the same situation
exists for your board. This is the thread:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=p4...8.1.177&rnum=1

>
>
> Thanks again for your assistance, it is truly appreciated.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> Brian Howe
> ------------
> Information is power.
> Thanks to all who empower me
> ----------------------------------------------

Paul

>
> 1) What is a nominal operating temperature for the proc. ? Presently
> running around 42-44C (102-105F). And I know, that is nothing
> considering that nothing is running yet.
>
well, I've got a P4S533 with P4 2.4/533 and my nominal cpu temp is
approx 34-36C. I've never seen it rise above the 40C even under
considerable programload. Next to the PSU-fan I've got 2 casefans.

Richard

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:28:04 +0100, Richard
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>>
>> 1) What is a nominal operating temperature for the proc. ? Presently
>> running around 42-44C (102-105F). And I know, that is nothing
>> considering that nothing is running yet.
>>
>well, I've got a P4S533 with P4 2.4/533 and my nominal cpu temp is
>approx 34-36C. I've never seen it rise above the 40C even under
>considerable programload. Next to the PSU-fan I've got 2 casefans.


Thanks Richard.

I notice that the temp is read differently with different resources.
The CMOS lists it at 40C, the ASUS Probe lists it at 45C, AIDA32 lists
it at 35C.

They are all under the 55C limit I go by, so I am ok. I think.


But thanks again for the response.



----------------------------------------------
Brian Howe
------------
Information is power.
Thanks to all who empower me
----------------------------------------------