I'm very leery about buying a "value" board but the ASRock 939Dual-
SATA2 is my only option if I want to upgrade to Socket 939 and continue
using my existing AGP card (Radeon X800 XT.) I read there were boot-up
problems when the board first came out but they've supposedly been
fixed with a BIOS update.

This is for my gaming rig, so my main concerns are stability and
compatibility with other hardware and software (I don't OC.) I've read
the benchmark reviews but how does this board run in the real world?
If it's a dog I'll hold off upgrading (and buy the A8N32-SLI Deluxe
later) as I'm not ready to ditch the X800 XT yet.

In article <Xns9728906A996B4jabshiremediaonenet@216.196.97.136>, jma
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I'm very leery about buying a "value" board but the ASRock 939Dual-
> SATA2 is my only option if I want to upgrade to Socket 939 and continue
> using my existing AGP card (Radeon X800 XT.) I read there were boot-up
> problems when the board first came out but they've supposedly been
> fixed with a BIOS update.
>
> This is for my gaming rig, so my main concerns are stability and
> compatibility with other hardware and software (I don't OC.) I've read
> the benchmark reviews but how does this board run in the real world?
> If it's a dog I'll hold off upgrading (and buy the A8N32-SLI Deluxe
> later) as I'm not ready to ditch the X800 XT yet.

And what would be wrong with an Asus A8V or A8V Deluxe ?
The Via K8T800pro chipset does AGP.

That Asrock board has a real AGP slot on it, due to the use of the
flexible ULI chipset. On other Asrock boards, they have an "AGI"
slot, which reduces performance. So, that will not be a problem
in this case.

http://www.techpowerup.com/printrevi.../939Dual-SATA2

You should have a look around, and find benchmarks for the U1695
chipset, to see how the various options perform.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2471&p=8

The Asrock board does a couple of SATA ports via the Southbridge,
and has a separate chip (JMB360) for a SATA2 port.

http://www.jmicron.com.tw/product/jmb360.htm

Whether buying an Asrock board is a good idea, really depends on
what people think of the quality and level of BIOS support,
whether drivers are conveniently located for download, and
whether the board architecture is good. In this case, I don't
see any of the usual shortcuts in the board architecture, so
this is really a matter of whether the ULI chips and the
Asrock BIOS, function correctly. (Download the user manual
and check the BIOS screens, to see if memory timing, clock
speeds, voltages and so on, are adjustable. Sometimes those
adjustments are essential to getting stability, like when
solving memory compatibility problems.)

The Asrock processor list for the board, is here:

http://www.asrock.com/support/CPU_Su...=939Dual-SATA2

When it comes to architecture, there is a tendency for both Asrock
and Asus, to hide tiny details about the implementation. Asrock by
far is the worst offender, and Asus only fudges occasionally. There is
no explanation for how AGI works from Asrock, and on some Asus boards,
when a PCI-e x4 slot is offered, it turns out that sometimes there are
only two PCI-e x1 lanes connected to the x4 slot. In cases like that,
a little more honesty would be nice. (You shouldn't need a comp-sci
degree and a hand calculator, to work out what the feature set is. :-) )

HTH,
Paul

I have a ASROCK 939 Dual-Sata2, I used a 9800XT and now an X800XL video card
on it and all in all, it seems to perform quite well. I found that the
overclocking was not perfect, but that might have been my memory i was
using, but some have said the board is not a great overclocker anyway. but
is stable IMHO.

"Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:nospam-1012051912250001@192.168.1.178...
> In article <Xns9728906A996B4jabshiremediaonenet@216.196.97.136>, jma
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> I'm very leery about buying a "value" board but the ASRock 939Dual-
>> SATA2 is my only option if I want to upgrade to Socket 939 and continue
>> using my existing AGP card (Radeon X800 XT.) I read there were boot-up
>> problems when the board first came out but they've supposedly been
>> fixed with a BIOS update.
>>
>> This is for my gaming rig, so my main concerns are stability and
>> compatibility with other hardware and software (I don't OC.) I've read
>> the benchmark reviews but how does this board run in the real world?
>> If it's a dog I'll hold off upgrading (and buy the A8N32-SLI Deluxe
>> later) as I'm not ready to ditch the X800 XT yet.
>
> And what would be wrong with an Asus A8V or A8V Deluxe ?
> The Via K8T800pro chipset does AGP.
>
> That Asrock board has a real AGP slot on it, due to the use of the
> flexible ULI chipset. On other Asrock boards, they have an "AGI"
> slot, which reduces performance. So, that will not be a problem
> in this case.
>
> http://www.techpowerup.com/printrevi.../939Dual-SATA2
>
> You should have a look around, and find benchmarks for the U1695
> chipset, to see how the various options perform.
>
> http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2471&p=8
>
> The Asrock board does a couple of SATA ports via the Southbridge,
> and has a separate chip (JMB360) for a SATA2 port.
>
> http://www.jmicron.com.tw/product/jmb360.htm
>
> Whether buying an Asrock board is a good idea, really depends on
> what people think of the quality and level of BIOS support,
> whether drivers are conveniently located for download, and
> whether the board architecture is good. In this case, I don't
> see any of the usual shortcuts in the board architecture, so
> this is really a matter of whether the ULI chips and the
> Asrock BIOS, function correctly. (Download the user manual
> and check the BIOS screens, to see if memory timing, clock
> speeds, voltages and so on, are adjustable. Sometimes those
> adjustments are essential to getting stability, like when
> solving memory compatibility problems.)
>
> The Asrock processor list for the board, is here:
>
> http://www.asrock.com/support/CPU_Su...=939Dual-SATA2
>
> When it comes to architecture, there is a tendency for both Asrock
> and Asus, to hide tiny details about the implementation. Asrock by
> far is the worst offender, and Asus only fudges occasionally. There is
> no explanation for how AGI works from Asrock, and on some Asus boards,
> when a PCI-e x4 slot is offered, it turns out that sometimes there are
> only two PCI-e x1 lanes connected to the x4 slot. In cases like that,
> a little more honesty would be nice. (You shouldn't need a comp-sci
> degree and a hand calculator, to work out what the feature set is. :-) )
>
> HTH,
> Paul

Hi
Ive just received my 939Dual place a 64x2 3800 on it with a Thermalright
Si-97A and a Panaflo 92mm M1A as well as G.Skill Extreme Series F1 3200PHU2
RAM (2x512) in Channels 1 and 2.Unfortunatly my eVga 6600 GT PCI-E Video
card did not work and I ended up placing an old old Radeon 32 in the AGP
slot and firing it up.Started right off the bat.There lots of lovely
settings in the BIOS that I have not played with yet.At the present time I
am in the middle of installing an OS.The board read every device I have
attached.I need to install ME first(dont ask) before I can install
XP.Somehow I missed the part in the manual where it says that tha SATA drive
needs to be in RAID mode in order to install 98/ME....I tried all of last
nite and it would never reboot after "loading drivers"...so at tthis very
minute I am installing ME onto a SATA drive with RAID enabled in the BIOS.
Let me know how your turns out
It seems that message boards for Asrock are very hard to find or dont exist
peter121

--
"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge
faster than society gathers wisdom. - Isaac Asimov
"jma" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Xns9728906A996B4jabshiremediaonenet@216.196.97.136...
> I'm very leery about buying a "value" board but the ASRock 939Dual-
> SATA2 is my only option if I want to upgrade to Socket 939 and continue
> using my existing AGP card (Radeon X800 XT.) I read there were boot-up
> problems when the board first came out but they've supposedly been
> fixed with a BIOS update.
>
> This is for my gaming rig, so my main concerns are stability and
> compatibility with other hardware and software (I don't OC.) I've read
> the benchmark reviews but how does this board run in the real world?
> If it's a dog I'll hold off upgrading (and buy the A8N32-SLI Deluxe
> later) as I'm not ready to ditch the X800 XT yet.

Thanks for the responses. I forgot to mention that I want the ability
to upgrade to PCI-E later on using the same motherboard, which is why
I'm limited to the ASRock, since no other manufacturers seem interested
in the ULI M1695 chipset.

Both the board and chipset got good reviews, and the features and BIOS
options are adequate for me, but as I said my main concern is stability
and compatibility with other components. I don't see much talk about
this particular board on the newsgroups, which made me wonder if people
are avoiding it or the AGP/PCI-E chipset is just not that popular.

Hi
I've finished setting up the 939dual and it runs well.I have searched high
and low for an Asrock newsgroup and found none.A Google search turns up lost
of tests of the 939Dual mobo and most of them have good to very good
reviews.The few tests that I have run so far puts in the same ballpark as an
Nforce 4 chipset...
The BIOS was an actual breeze to flash.I bought it an an ABIT A8N-Sli with 2
chips ..an Opteron148 and a 64x2 3800 plus a new case,PSU,RAM and a eVGA
6600GT PCI-E video card.The video card crapped out on me so I installed an
older Radeon in the AGP slot of the 939Dual with the 64x2 chip and got it up
and running.I have to wait for the RMA to come back before I test it with a
PCI-E video card.The idea was to build a new system using the Abit board and
new parts and to rebuild an old system with the Asrock mobo and old parts.
I used Everest and PC Wizard 2005 to run some tests.I ran
Processor,RAM,memory and some disk benchmarks(SATA) and they were all higher
that my Asus A7N8X deluxe ver2.0 with a Barton(2500) and the same amount of
RAM.In the comparison charts they were sooooo close to the Nforce 4
chipset.Cpu utilisation surprized me with the Barton running at 25% and the
64x2 at 4%.The 64x2 chip is being cooled by a Thermalright SI-97A Heatsink
with a Panaflo 92mm M1A Fan sitting on it and the temps never went higher
than 32C.The Case itself has 2 120mm silent fans one in the front and one in
the back and thats it for fans...unless you count the PSU fan which I
consider only to be there to keep the PSU cool not the case.
At this point I wondering why the hell did I not buy 2 of those Asrock
boards and the heck with the Abit board.When I had the Video Card problem I
emailed Abit Tech support in the AM and received a reply the next
day....when I Emailed Asrock Tech support in the AM for the same thing I
received a reply the same evening.
Now comes the fun part of figuring out all those settings in the BIOS and
start the overclocking .....usually I find the limit and then take it down
about 25% because of heat....this time with those temps who knows??
peterk

--
"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge
faster than society gathers wisdom. - Isaac Asimov
"jma" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Xns9729A45DE418Bjabshiremediaonenet@216.196.97.136...
> Thanks for the responses. I forgot to mention that I want the ability
> to upgrade to PCI-E later on using the same motherboard, which is why
> I'm limited to the ASRock, since no other manufacturers seem interested
> in the ULI M1695 chipset.
>
> Both the board and chipset got good reviews, and the features and BIOS
> options are adequate for me, but as I said my main concern is stability
> and compatibility with other components. I don't see much talk about
> this particular board on the newsgroups, which made me wonder if people
> are avoiding it or the AGP/PCI-E chipset is just not that popular.

Good luck with that board. I just got my car insurance bill for next
year, so I won't be upgrading yet. :-(


"peterk" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:h24nf.203427$Io.80102@clgrps13:

> Hi
> I've finished setting up the 939dual and it runs well.I have
> searched high and low for an Asrock newsgroup and found none.A
> Google search turns up lost of tests of the 939Dual mobo and most
> of them have good to very good reviews.The few tests that I have
> run so far puts in the same ballpark as an Nforce 4 chipset...
> The BIOS was an actual breeze to flash.I bought it an an ABIT
> A8N-Sli with 2 chips ..an Opteron148 and a 64x2 3800 plus a new
> case,PSU,RAM and a eVGA 6600GT PCI-E video card.The video card
> crapped out on me so I installed an older Radeon in the AGP slot
> of the 939Dual with the 64x2 chip and got it up and running.I have
> to wait for the RMA to come back before I test it with a PCI-E
> video card.The idea was to build a new system using the Abit board
> and new parts and to rebuild an old system with the Asrock mobo
> and old parts. I used Everest and PC Wizard 2005 to run some
> tests.I ran Processor,RAM,memory and some disk benchmarks(SATA)
> and they were all higher that my Asus A7N8X deluxe ver2.0 with a
> Barton(2500) and the same amount of RAM.In the comparison charts
> they were sooooo close to the Nforce 4 chipset.Cpu utilisation
> surprized me with the Barton running at 25% and the 64x2 at 4%.The
> 64x2 chip is being cooled by a Thermalright SI-97A Heatsink with a
> Panaflo 92mm M1A Fan sitting on it and the temps never went higher
> than 32C.The Case itself has 2 120mm silent fans one in the front
> and one in the back and thats it for fans...unless you count the
> PSU fan which I consider only to be there to keep the PSU cool not
> the case. At this point I wondering why the hell did I not buy 2
> of those Asrock boards and the heck with the Abit board.When I had
> the Video Card problem I emailed Abit Tech support in the AM and
> received a reply the next day....when I Emailed Asrock Tech
> support in the AM for the same thing I received a reply the same
> evening. Now comes the fun part of figuring out all those settings
> in the BIOS and start the overclocking .....usually I find the
> limit and then take it down about 25% because of heat....this time
> with those temps who knows?? peterk
>