Hi,

I'm in the process of replacing the stock Intel HSF with the Zalman
CNPS7000b all copper HSF. The processor is a P4 3.0c (overclocked at
3.3GHz) and is sitting on an ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe v2 motherboard.

What I'm wondering is which would be better to use; the included Zalman
White Thermal Grease or a one year old (sealed tightly-seems fine)
Arctic Silver 5? Can Arctic Silver 5 really go bad if kept in a zip bag?

Additionally, the BB size amount used (according to the Arctic Silver
instruction) in the center of the CPU doesn't mention pre-spreading
across the top of the CPU as the Zalman instruction indicate. Whichever
paste is used, would it be better to let the HSF spread the BB size
amount when clamped down or would it be better to pre-spread before
applying the HSF?

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NEM

"NEM" <NoE-Mail@FakeAddress!.corn> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I'm in the process of replacing the stock Intel HSF with the Zalman
> CNPS7000b all copper HSF. The processor is a P4 3.0c (overclocked at
> 3.3GHz) and is sitting on an ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe v2 motherboard.
>
> What I'm wondering is which would be better to use; the included Zalman
> White Thermal Grease or a one year old (sealed tightly-seems fine)
> Arctic Silver 5? Can Arctic Silver 5 really go bad if kept in a zip bag?
>
> Additionally, the BB size amount used (according to the Arctic Silver
> instruction) in the center of the CPU doesn't mention pre-spreading
> across the top of the CPU as the Zalman instruction indicate. Whichever
> paste is used, would it be better to let the HSF spread the BB size
> amount when clamped down or would it be better to pre-spread before
> applying the HSF?
>
> --
>
> NEM


The Artic Silver 5 is far superior to any generic or even name brand thermal
paste or silver compound. For eample I swapped out the generic silver
compound you can buy at any CompUsa over the counter with Artic Silver 5 for
an athlon XP 2000+ palomino.. it ran at 43C at idle with AS5 compared to 55C
at idle with the generic stuff. Or as another example it is keeping my
Athlon XP 3200+ Barton at a nice cool 31C and that's with a case temp of 30C
and a room temp of 23C (74F). as for it going bad.. never heard that. as for
the amount to put on and application put a BB sized drop on th eHeatsink
itself then put 1/4 of that on your CPU and spread it to an extremely thin
layer spread the remaining amount and spread it across the heatsink, about
as thick as plastic wrap, which BTW is an excellent thing to use to spread
it.

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:00:56 +0000, NEM wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I'm in the process of replacing the stock Intel HSF with the Zalman
> CNPS7000b all copper HSF. The processor is a P4 3.0c (overclocked at
> 3.3GHz) and is sitting on an ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe v2 motherboard.
>
> What I'm wondering is which would be better to use; the included Zalman
> White Thermal Grease or a one year old (sealed tightly-seems fine)
> Arctic Silver 5? Can Arctic Silver 5 really go bad if kept in a zip bag?
>
> Additionally, the BB size amount used (according to the Arctic Silver
> instruction) in the center of the CPU doesn't mention pre-spreading
> across the top of the CPU as the Zalman instruction indicate. Whichever
> paste is used, would it be better to let the HSF spread the BB size
> amount when clamped down or would it be better to pre-spread before
> applying the HSF?

I wouldn't get too anal about it. Studies show that expensive thermal
greases are rarely an improvement on regular inexpensive thermal heat sink
compound which you can get at any electronics store for next to nothing.
We have been thoroughly marketed to! At best you might get a 2 deg C
improvement. Big deal!

I would pre-spread the paste. Then you know for certain its thin layer
completely covers the die.

Larry Gagnon, A+ certified tech.

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The Arctic Silver is far better than white thermal grease, and, yes, spread
it around.

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"NEM" <NoE-Mail@FakeAddress!.corn> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I'm in the process of replacing the stock Intel HSF with the Zalman
> CNPS7000b all copper HSF. The processor is a P4 3.0c (overclocked at
> 3.3GHz) and is sitting on an ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe v2 motherboard.
>
> What I'm wondering is which would be better to use; the included Zalman
> White Thermal Grease or a one year old (sealed tightly-seems fine)
> Arctic Silver 5? Can Arctic Silver 5 really go bad if kept in a zip bag?
>
> Additionally, the BB size amount used (according to the Arctic Silver
> instruction) in the center of the CPU doesn't mention pre-spreading
> across the top of the CPU as the Zalman instruction indicate. Whichever
> paste is used, would it be better to let the HSF spread the BB size
> amount when clamped down or would it be better to pre-spread before
> applying the HSF?
>
> --
>
> NEM
>
>

"Chuck" <chuck_les_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> The Artic Silver 5 is far superior to any generic or even name brand
> thermal paste or silver compound.

How do you know? Have you tried them all?

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> "Chuck" <chuck_les_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Weo_d.123069$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>
>> The Artic Silver 5 is far superior to any generic or even name brand
>> thermal paste or silver compound.
>
> How do you know? Have you tried them all?

It's impossible to try all thermal pastes, However I do know the results of
a 12C difference on exactly the same Processor and heatsink between standard
retail silver paste and the Artic silver 5 makes a huge statement for how
superior it is. especially since the 55C reading was just before shutting
down the system, then puling the heatsink and processor, cleaning both with
rubbing alchohol, applying AS5 and reinstalling the same processor and
heatsink, then powering it back up and letting it idle for 1/2 hour for a
temperature reading.. with a 43C reading a 12C drop from only changing the
thermal paste.

Hi Chuck,

On Mar 17 2005, Chuck wrote:

>> I'm in the process of replacing the stock Intel HSF with the Zalman
>> CNPS7000b all copper HSF. The processor is a P4 3.0c (overclocked at
>> 3.3GHz) and is sitting on an ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe v2 motherboard.
>>
>> What I'm wondering is which would be better to use; the included
>> Zalman White Thermal Grease or a one year old (sealed tightly-seems
>> fine) Arctic Silver 5? Can Arctic Silver 5 really go bad if kept in a
>> zip bag?
>>
>> Additionally, the BB size amount used (according to the Arctic Silver
>> instruction) in the center of the CPU doesn't mention pre-spreading
>> across the top of the CPU as the Zalman instruction indicate.
>> Whichever paste is used, would it be better to let the HSF spread the
>> BB size amount when clamped down or would it be better to pre-spread
>> before applying the HSF?
>
> The Artic Silver 5 is far superior to any generic or even name brand
> thermal paste or silver compound. For eample I swapped out the generic
> silver compound you can buy at any CompUsa over the counter with Artic
> Silver 5 for an athlon XP 2000+ palomino.. it ran at 43C at idle with
> AS5 compared to 55C at idle with the generic stuff. Or as another
> example it is keeping my Athlon XP 3200+ Barton at a nice cool 31C and
> that's with a case temp of 30C and a room temp of 23C (74F).

That's interesting that it dropped so much. I'm seeing nearly 60c under
a full load. Perhaps the Zalman 7000b will be the greatest benefit over
the stock Intel HSF, followed closely with the AS5. I'm hoping for
cooler and quieter operation.

> as for it going bad.. never heard that.

Me neither, but ya never know. <g>

> as for the amount to put on and application put a BB sized drop on th
> eHeatsink itself then put 1/4 of that on your CPU and spread it to an
> extremely thin layer spread the remaining amount and spread it across
> the heatsink, about as thick as plastic wrap, which BTW is an
> excellent thing to use to spread it.

Thanks for the tip. Any suggestions on removing the old AS5 between the
CPU and the old Intel HSF? I've thought about using rubbing alcohol, but
I can't find it pure enough so as to not leave a film.

Then again, I will be using the same AS5 I used before, so perhaps it
matters less. I have a Teflon knife, which I could use to scrap off the
excess, maybe wipe it down with a lint free cloth, then reapply.

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NEM

Hi Larry Gagnon,

On Mar 17 2005, Larry Gagnon wrote:

>> I'm in the process of replacing the stock Intel HSF with the Zalman
>> CNPS7000b all copper HSF. The processor is a P4 3.0c (overclocked at
>> 3.3GHz) and is sitting on an ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe v2 motherboard.
>>
>> What I'm wondering is which would be better to use; the included
>> Zalman White Thermal Grease or a one year old (sealed tightly-seems
>> fine) Arctic Silver 5? Can Arctic Silver 5 really go bad if kept in a
>> zip bag?
>>
>> Additionally, the BB size amount used (according to the Arctic Silver
>> instruction) in the center of the CPU doesn't mention pre-spreading
>> across the top of the CPU as the Zalman instruction indicate.
>> Whichever paste is used, would it be better to let the HSF spread the
>> BB size amount when clamped down or would it be better to pre-spread
>> before applying the HSF?
>
> I wouldn't get too anal about it. Studies show that expensive thermal
> greases are rarely an improvement on regular inexpensive thermal heat
> sink compound which you can get at any electronics store for next to
> nothing. We have been thoroughly marketed to!

That might be true to some extent, but I already have the AS5 and
Zalmans' own (think Newmans' own salid dressing <G>) white thermal
compound. The time for marketing is past me, it's now just a choice
between the two that I have.

> At best you might get a 2 deg C improvement. Big deal!

Cool (no pun intended), that will put me back in the 50 Centigrade
region again. <G> Seriously, under a full load, I'm seeing 60c, so I'll
take even 2c lower wherever I can get it.

> I would pre-spread the paste. Then you know for certain its thin layer
> completely covers the die.

I'm concerned about bubbles, so I suppose putting it only on the CPU
would be best. Is that correct?

What about removal of the old AS5 from the CPU spreader?

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NEM

Hi DaveW,

On Mar 17 2005, DaveW wrote:

> The Arctic Silver is far better than white thermal grease, and, yes,
> spread it around.

But only apply it to the CPU, correct?

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NEM

Why don't you just follow Arctic Silver's application and removal
instructions here:

http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_s...tions_big2.htm

"NEM" <NoE-Mail@FakeAddress!.corn> wrote in message
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> Hi DaveW,
>
> On Mar 17 2005, DaveW wrote:
>
>> The Arctic Silver is far better than white thermal grease, and, yes,
>> spread it around.
>
> But only apply it to the CPU, correct?
>
> --
>
> NEM
>