ok just wait till my husband gets home so he can translate this for me!
robin

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>
>
>
> ×�×*×™ בסדר.
>
> ×�×*×™ להצטער ×›×™ ×�×*×™ כותב לך סחרחורת.
>
> ×�×*×™ מקווה שזה התרגו×� גור×� לך לצחוק. :-)
>
> ו×�×*×™ המדי×*×” "×�ורב×*×™" ×�לה fora. מ×*סה להיש×�ר מעודכן ×¢×� מה שקורה פה, כדי של×�
> לכתוב הרבה, �בל תמיד זוכר �ת הכל.
>
> מל�ך
>
>
> "robinb" wrote:
>
>> hey engel again how are you? in english please
>> your writing backwards is making me dizzy
>> I missed you
>> robin
>>
>> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:7A4D5E9B-CE87-4CB7-BA4B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Danke für deine Antwort!
>> >
>> > Gruss
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > "Stu" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Engel
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks for the reading - how RU?
>> >>
>> >> Stu
>> >>
>> >> "Ǝиçεl" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Bill and Stu and All IT's
>> >> >
>> >> > Families Cleaned by the Malicious Software Removal Tool
>> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/families.mspx>
>> >> > January 13, 2009
>> >> >
>> >> > Virus alert about the Win32/Conficker.B worm
>> >> > <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007>
>> >> > March 6, 2009 -
>> >> >
>> >> > Protect yourself from the Conficker computer worm
>> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/conficker.mspx>
>> >> > March 27, 2009
>> >> > -=-
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > I've seen that information, but also some posts saying that its
>> >> > > presence may
>> >> > > not have visible symptoms in some cases. There are
>> >> > > detection/removal
>> >> > > apps
>> >> > > now from a number of reputable vendors, as well as network
>> >> > > scanners
>> >> > > from EYE
>> >> > > and others. I've used one of these to scan some of the networks I
>> >> > > administer and not found any sign of infected machines.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I have also heard that the MRT targets conficker, but I can't
>> >> > > confirm
>> >> > > it--I
>> >> > > did look at the MRT site, but didn't spot conficker by name there.
>> >> > > I
>> >> > > just
>> >> > > happened to hit the site by happenstance and wasn't actively
>> >> > > searching, so I
>> >> > > might have missed it.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > So far, I've not seen any public statements of any significance
>> >> > > about
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > anticipated changes in behavior today--I have seen some anecdotal
>> >> > > reports
>> >> > > that don't make a lot of sense. Some of the conjectures I've
>> >> > > seen--brute
>> >> > > force password hacking, or perhaps some similar form of
>> >> > > distributed
>> >> > > computing type decryption activity--might both be very scary, and
>> >> > > hard to
>> >> > > detect--because there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of information
>> >> > > transfer
>> >> > > to and from the network machines.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Stu" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:29E2D326-750C-4CA8-95B4-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > > > Well here we are Bill April 1 and .......... I can post again!
>> >> > > > Courtesy
>> >> > > > IE8.
>> >> > > > And to think of all the expletives and nasty things a said about
>> >> > > > MS -
>> >> > > > still
>> >> > > > don`t see the `sign in` link top right but it seems to be
>> >> > > > working.
>> >> > > > The
>> >> > > > guys
>> >> > > > at IE8 NG seem to think it relates to a problem with server
>> >> > > > hosting this
>> >> > > > site. Anyways.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I was reading some of the symptoms associated with Conficker and
>> >> > > > its
>> >> > > > variants. Among other things, these include termination of the
>> >> > > > BITS -
>> >> > > > WU/MU,
>> >> > > > Security Centre services AND Windows Defender. So that should be
>> >> > > > a
>> >> > > > visual
>> >> > > > clue for many though not all I grant you. If a multi billion
>> >> > > > empire
>> >> > > > like
>> >> > > > MS
>> >> > > > would really like to put a price on the heads of these bad guys
>> >> > > > $250, 000
>> >> > > > seems la bit thin on the ground? Like a drop in the ocean? I
>> >> > > > also
>> >> > > > read the
>> >> > > > MRT will detect and remove it?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Stu
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> So far, I've found one network scanner that I was able to use
>> >> > > >> to
>> >> > > >> scan a
>> >> > > >> network at work---it is a python script, but a compiled version
>> >> > > >> was
>> >> > > >> available, so other than working at a command line level, it
>> >> > > >> wasn't hard
>> >> > > >> to
>> >> > > >> deal with. None of the machines which were turned on at the
>> >> > > >> time
>> >> > > >> were
>> >> > > >> infected.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Have to try it again during the day.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Google for scs_exe.zip to find it.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Not for the average person yet.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> "robinb" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> > > >> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > > >> > and stay off any web browser on the 1st also
>> >> > > >> > robin
>> >> > > >> >
>> >> > > >> > "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> >> > > >> > message
>> >> > > >> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > > >> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only journalists
>> >> > > >> >> are
>> >> > > >> >> hyping
>> >> > > >> >> the April 1st date as something normal folks should watch
>> >> > > >> >> out
>> >> > > >> >> for--there's no need whatsoever. Make sure your machines
>> >> > > >> >> are
>> >> > > >> >> clean to
>> >> > > >> >> the best of your ability, and sit tight. If something
>> >> > > >> >> changes,
>> >> > > >> >> the
>> >> > > >> >> experts will be able to spot it.
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need worry
>> >> > > >> >> about at
>> >> > > >> >> all.
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> > > >> >> news:487C1ED5-7779-4E19-B5E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > > >> >>> Interesting reading.
>> >> > > >> >>>
>> >> > > >> >>> <http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001636.html>
>> >> > > >> >>> -=-
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >> --
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >> >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> --
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>>

Hi Robin,

In case your husband doesn't get around to translating for a while -- and
you're curious -- here's a translation via Google, but I'm sure there are a
few words that Google didn't get exactly right. :->

Alan

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"I regret that I write you dizzy.

I hope this translation makes you laugh. :-)

And I state "urban" these fora. Trying to stay current with what's
happening here, so you do not
Write a lot, but I always remember everything.

Angel"

"robinb" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> ok just wait till my husband gets home so he can translate this for me!
> robin
>
> "??ç?l" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:41D88B8F-7658-4BD5-B851-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>
>>
>> ??? ????.
>>
>> ??? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ?? ???????.
>>
>> ??? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????. :-)
>>
>> ???? ?????? "??????" ??? fora. ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ??, ??? ???
>> ????? ????, ??? ???? ???? ?? ???.
>>
>> ????
>>
>>
>> "robinb" wrote:
>>
>>> hey engel again how are you? in english please
>>> your writing backwards is making me dizzy
>>> I missed you
>>> robin
>>>
>>> "??ç?l" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:7A4D5E9B-CE87-4CB7-BA4B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> > Danke für deine Antwort!
>>> >
>>> > Gruss
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Stu" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Engel
>>> >>
>>> >> Many thanks for the reading - how RU?
>>> >>
>>> >> Stu
>>> >>
>>> >> "??ç?l" wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hi Bill and Stu and All IT's
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Families Cleaned by the Malicious Software Removal Tool
>>> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/families.mspx>
>>> >> > January 13, 2009
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Virus alert about the Win32/Conficker.B worm
>>> >> > <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007>
>>> >> > March 6, 2009 -
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Protect yourself from the Conficker computer worm
>>> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/conficker.mspx>
>>> >> > March 27, 2009
>>> >> > -=-
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > I've seen that information, but also some posts saying that its
>>> >> > > presence may
>>> >> > > not have visible symptoms in some cases. There are
>>> >> > > detection/removal
>>> >> > > apps
>>> >> > > now from a number of reputable vendors, as well as network
>>> >> > > scanners
>>> >> > > from EYE
>>> >> > > and others. I've used one of these to scan some of the networks
>>> >> > > I
>>> >> > > administer and not found any sign of infected machines.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > I have also heard that the MRT targets conficker, but I can't
>>> >> > > confirm
>>> >> > > it--I
>>> >> > > did look at the MRT site, but didn't spot conficker by name
>>> >> > > there. I
>>> >> > > just
>>> >> > > happened to hit the site by happenstance and wasn't actively
>>> >> > > searching, so I
>>> >> > > might have missed it.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > So far, I've not seen any public statements of any significance
>>> >> > > about
>>> >> > > the
>>> >> > > anticipated changes in behavior today--I have seen some anecdotal
>>> >> > > reports
>>> >> > > that don't make a lot of sense. Some of the conjectures I've
>>> >> > > seen--brute
>>> >> > > force password hacking, or perhaps some similar form of
>>> >> > > distributed
>>> >> > > computing type decryption activity--might both be very scary, and
>>> >> > > hard to
>>> >> > > detect--because there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of
>>> >> > > information
>>> >> > > transfer
>>> >> > > to and from the network machines.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > "Stu" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> >> > > news:29E2D326-750C-4CA8-95B4-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> >> > > > Well here we are Bill April 1 and .......... I can post again!
>>> >> > > > Courtesy
>>> >> > > > IE8.
>>> >> > > > And to think of all the expletives and nasty things a said
>>> >> > > > about
>>> >> > > > MS -
>>> >> > > > still
>>> >> > > > don`t see the `sign in` link top right but it seems to be
>>> >> > > > working.
>>> >> > > > The
>>> >> > > > guys
>>> >> > > > at IE8 NG seem to think it relates to a problem with server
>>> >> > > > hosting this
>>> >> > > > site. Anyways.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > I was reading some of the symptoms associated with Conficker
>>> >> > > > and
>>> >> > > > its
>>> >> > > > variants. Among other things, these include termination of the
>>> >> > > > BITS -
>>> >> > > > WU/MU,
>>> >> > > > Security Centre services AND Windows Defender. So that should
>>> >> > > > be a
>>> >> > > > visual
>>> >> > > > clue for many though not all I grant you. If a multi billion
>>> >> > > > empire
>>> >> > > > like
>>> >> > > > MS
>>> >> > > > would really like to put a price on the heads of these bad guys
>>> >> > > > $250, 000
>>> >> > > > seems la bit thin on the ground? Like a drop in the ocean? I
>>> >> > > > also
>>> >> > > > read the
>>> >> > > > MRT will detect and remove it?
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Stu
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >> So far, I've found one network scanner that I was able to use
>>> >> > > >> to
>>> >> > > >> scan a
>>> >> > > >> network at work---it is a python script, but a compiled
>>> >> > > >> version
>>> >> > > >> was
>>> >> > > >> available, so other than working at a command line level, it
>>> >> > > >> wasn't hard
>>> >> > > >> to
>>> >> > > >> deal with. None of the machines which were turned on at the
>>> >> > > >> time
>>> >> > > >> were
>>> >> > > >> infected.
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Have to try it again during the day.
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Google for scs_exe.zip to find it.
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> Not for the average person yet.
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> "robinb" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> >> > > >> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> >> > > >> > and stay off any web browser on the 1st also
>>> >> > > >> > robin
>>> >> > > >> >
>>> >> > > >> > "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>> >> > > >> > message
>>> >> > > >> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> >> > > >> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only
>>> >> > > >> >> journalists
>>> >> > > >> >> are
>>> >> > > >> >> hyping
>>> >> > > >> >> the April 1st date as something normal folks should watch
>>> >> > > >> >> out
>>> >> > > >> >> for--there's no need whatsoever. Make sure your machines
>>> >> > > >> >> are
>>> >> > > >> >> clean to
>>> >> > > >> >> the best of your ability, and sit tight. If something
>>> >> > > >> >> changes,
>>> >> > > >> >> the
>>> >> > > >> >> experts will be able to spot it.
>>> >> > > >> >>
>>> >> > > >> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need worry
>>> >> > > >> >> about at
>>> >> > > >> >> all.
>>> >> > > >> >>
>>> >> > > >> >>
>>> >> > > >> >> "??ç?l" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> >> > > >> >> news:487C1ED5-7779-4E19-B5E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> >> > > >> >>> Interesting reading.
>>> >> > > >> >>>
>>> >> > > >> >>> <http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001636.html>
>>> >> > > >> >>> -=-
>>> >> > > >> >>
>>> >> > > >> >>
>>> >> > > >> >> --
>>> >> > > >> >>
>>> >> > > >> >>
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >> --
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > > >>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>>

Hi Robinb,

Well, Alan bit me, I'm having a hard time getting here, the same problems
reported by Stu with the web servers.

Why wait for your husband, you can impress him, using Google (is the one I
use to respond to you) <http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en#> or,
you can have fun with the text to speech <http://translation2.paralink.com/>

Try, you will like it ;-)

This is the translation I use to send from Spanish to Hebrew


Hola Robin,

Yo me encuentro bien.

Lamento que mi escritura te de mareos.

Espero que esta traduccion te haga reir. :-)

Yo e estado “lurking� estos foros. Tratando de estar al dia con lo que va
pasando por aqui, tal ves yo no escriba mucho, pero siempre los recuerdo a
todos ustedes.

Angel


Alan is right, those translators are no to profesionales, but are a lot fun
tu use.

Take care

-=-


"robinb" wrote:

> ok just wait till my husband gets home so he can translate this for me!
> robin
>
> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:41D88B8F-7658-4BD5-B851-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >
> >
> > ×�×*×™ בסדר.
> >
> > ×�×*×™ להצטער ×›×™ ×�×*×™ כותב לך סחרחורת.
> >
> > ×�×*×™ מקווה שזה התרגו×� גור×� לך לצחוק. :-)
> >
> > ו×�×*×™ המדי×*×” "×�ורב×*×™" ×�לה fora. מ×*סה להיש×�ר מעודכן ×¢×� מה שקורה פה, כדי של×�
> > לכתוב הרבה, �בל תמיד זוכר �ת הכל.
> >
> > מל�ך
> >
> >
> > "robinb" wrote:
> >
> >> hey engel again how are you? in english please
> >> your writing backwards is making me dizzy
> >> I missed you
> >> robin
> >>
> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:7A4D5E9B-CE87-4CB7-BA4B-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > Danke für deine Antwort!
> >> >
> >> > Gruss
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Stu" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Engel
> >> >>
> >> >> Many thanks for the reading - how RU?
> >> >>
> >> >> Stu
> >> >>
> >> >> "Ǝиçεl" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Hi Bill and Stu and All IT's
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Families Cleaned by the Malicious Software Removal Tool
> >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/families.mspx>
> >> >> > January 13, 2009
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Virus alert about the Win32/Conficker.B worm
> >> >> > <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007>
> >> >> > March 6, 2009 -
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Protect yourself from the Conficker computer worm
> >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/conficker.mspx>
> >> >> > March 27, 2009
> >> >> > -=-
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > I've seen that information, but also some posts saying that its
> >> >> > > presence may
> >> >> > > not have visible symptoms in some cases. There are
> >> >> > > detection/removal
> >> >> > > apps
> >> >> > > now from a number of reputable vendors, as well as network
> >> >> > > scanners
> >> >> > > from EYE
> >> >> > > and others. I've used one of these to scan some of the networks I
> >> >> > > administer and not found any sign of infected machines.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I have also heard that the MRT targets conficker, but I can't
> >> >> > > confirm
> >> >> > > it--I
> >> >> > > did look at the MRT site, but didn't spot conficker by name there.
> >> >> > > I
> >> >> > > just
> >> >> > > happened to hit the site by happenstance and wasn't actively
> >> >> > > searching, so I
> >> >> > > might have missed it.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > So far, I've not seen any public statements of any significance
> >> >> > > about
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > > anticipated changes in behavior today--I have seen some anecdotal
> >> >> > > reports
> >> >> > > that don't make a lot of sense. Some of the conjectures I've
> >> >> > > seen--brute
> >> >> > > force password hacking, or perhaps some similar form of
> >> >> > > distributed
> >> >> > > computing type decryption activity--might both be very scary, and
> >> >> > > hard to
> >> >> > > detect--because there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of information
> >> >> > > transfer
> >> >> > > to and from the network machines.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "Stu" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> >> > > news:29E2D326-750C-4CA8-95B4-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> > > > Well here we are Bill April 1 and .......... I can post again!
> >> >> > > > Courtesy
> >> >> > > > IE8.
> >> >> > > > And to think of all the expletives and nasty things a said about
> >> >> > > > MS -
> >> >> > > > still
> >> >> > > > don`t see the `sign in` link top right but it seems to be
> >> >> > > > working.
> >> >> > > > The
> >> >> > > > guys
> >> >> > > > at IE8 NG seem to think it relates to a problem with server
> >> >> > > > hosting this
> >> >> > > > site. Anyways.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I was reading some of the symptoms associated with Conficker and
> >> >> > > > its
> >> >> > > > variants. Among other things, these include termination of the
> >> >> > > > BITS -
> >> >> > > > WU/MU,
> >> >> > > > Security Centre services AND Windows Defender. So that should be
> >> >> > > > a
> >> >> > > > visual
> >> >> > > > clue for many though not all I grant you. If a multi billion
> >> >> > > > empire
> >> >> > > > like
> >> >> > > > MS
> >> >> > > > would really like to put a price on the heads of these bad guys
> >> >> > > > $250, 000
> >> >> > > > seems la bit thin on the ground? Like a drop in the ocean? I
> >> >> > > > also
> >> >> > > > read the
> >> >> > > > MRT will detect and remove it?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Stu
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >> So far, I've found one network scanner that I was able to use
> >> >> > > >> to
> >> >> > > >> scan a
> >> >> > > >> network at work---it is a python script, but a compiled version
> >> >> > > >> was
> >> >> > > >> available, so other than working at a command line level, it
> >> >> > > >> wasn't hard
> >> >> > > >> to
> >> >> > > >> deal with. None of the machines which were turned on at the
> >> >> > > >> time
> >> >> > > >> were
> >> >> > > >> infected.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Have to try it again during the day.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Google for scs_exe.zip to find it.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Not for the average person yet.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> "robinb" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> >> > > >> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> > > >> > and stay off any web browser on the 1st also
> >> >> > > >> > robin
> >> >> > > >> >
> >> >> > > >> > "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> >> >> > > >> > message
> >> >> > > >> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> > > >> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only journalists
> >> >> > > >> >> are
> >> >> > > >> >> hyping
> >> >> > > >> >> the April 1st date as something normal folks should watch
> >> >> > > >> >> out
> >> >> > > >> >> for--there's no need whatsoever. Make sure your machines
> >> >> > > >> >> are
> >> >> > > >> >> clean to
> >> >> > > >> >> the best of your ability, and sit tight. If something
> >> >> > > >> >> changes,
> >> >> > > >> >> the
> >> >> > > >> >> experts will be able to spot it.
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need worry
> >> >> > > >> >> about at
> >> >> > > >> >> all.
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> >> > > >> >> news:487C1ED5-7779-4E19-B5E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> > > >> >>> Interesting reading.
> >> >> > > >> >>>
> >> >> > > >> >>> <http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001636.html>
> >> >> > > >> >>> -=-
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >> --
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >> >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> --
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >>
>

you guys just make me laugh
robin

"Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:C5427EF6-07CC-49EC-99AF-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Robinb,
>
> Well, Alan bit me, I'm having a hard time getting here, the same problems
> reported by Stu with the web servers.
>
> Why wait for your husband, you can impress him, using Google (is the one I
> use to respond to you) <http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en#>
> or,
> you can have fun with the text to speech
> <http://translation2.paralink.com/>
>
> Try, you will like it ;-)
>
> This is the translation I use to send from Spanish to Hebrew
>
>
> Hola Robin,
>
> Yo me encuentro bien.
>
> Lamento que mi escritura te de mareos.
>
> Espero que esta traduccion te haga reir. :-)
>
> Yo e estado “lurking� estos foros. Tratando de estar al dia con lo que va
> pasando por aqui, tal ves yo no escriba mucho, pero siempre los recuerdo a
> todos ustedes.
>
> Angel
>
>
> Alan is right, those translators are no to profesionales, but are a lot
> fun
> tu use.
>
> Take care
>
> -=-
>
>
> "robinb" wrote:
>
>> ok just wait till my husband gets home so he can translate this for me!
>> robin
>>
>> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:41D88B8F-7658-4BD5-B851-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ×�×*×™ בסדר.
>> >
>> > ×�×*×™ להצטער ×›×™ ×�×*×™ כותב לך סחרחורת.
>> >
>> > ×�×*×™ מקווה שזה התרגו×� גור×� לך לצחוק. :-)
>> >
>> > ו×�×*×™ המדי×*×” "×�ורב×*×™" ×�לה fora. מ×*סה להיש×�ר מעודכן ×¢×� מה שקורה פה, כדי
>> > של�
>> > לכתוב הרבה, �בל תמיד זוכר �ת הכל.
>> >
>> > מל�ך
>> >
>> >
>> > "robinb" wrote:
>> >
>> >> hey engel again how are you? in english please
>> >> your writing backwards is making me dizzy
>> >> I missed you
>> >> robin
>> >>
>> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> news:7A4D5E9B-CE87-4CB7-BA4B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > Danke für deine Antwort!
>> >> >
>> >> > Gruss
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Stu" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Engel
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Many thanks for the reading - how RU?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stu
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Ǝиçεl" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hi Bill and Stu and All IT's
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Families Cleaned by the Malicious Software Removal Tool
>> >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/families.mspx>
>> >> >> > January 13, 2009
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Virus alert about the Win32/Conficker.B worm
>> >> >> > <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007>
>> >> >> > March 6, 2009 -
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Protect yourself from the Conficker computer worm
>> >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/conficker.mspx>
>> >> >> > March 27, 2009
>> >> >> > -=-
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > I've seen that information, but also some posts saying that its
>> >> >> > > presence may
>> >> >> > > not have visible symptoms in some cases. There are
>> >> >> > > detection/removal
>> >> >> > > apps
>> >> >> > > now from a number of reputable vendors, as well as network
>> >> >> > > scanners
>> >> >> > > from EYE
>> >> >> > > and others. I've used one of these to scan some of the
>> >> >> > > networks I
>> >> >> > > administer and not found any sign of infected machines.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I have also heard that the MRT targets conficker, but I can't
>> >> >> > > confirm
>> >> >> > > it--I
>> >> >> > > did look at the MRT site, but didn't spot conficker by name
>> >> >> > > there.
>> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> > > just
>> >> >> > > happened to hit the site by happenstance and wasn't actively
>> >> >> > > searching, so I
>> >> >> > > might have missed it.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > So far, I've not seen any public statements of any significance
>> >> >> > > about
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > anticipated changes in behavior today--I have seen some
>> >> >> > > anecdotal
>> >> >> > > reports
>> >> >> > > that don't make a lot of sense. Some of the conjectures I've
>> >> >> > > seen--brute
>> >> >> > > force password hacking, or perhaps some similar form of
>> >> >> > > distributed
>> >> >> > > computing type decryption activity--might both be very scary,
>> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > > hard to
>> >> >> > > detect--because there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of
>> >> >> > > information
>> >> >> > > transfer
>> >> >> > > to and from the network machines.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > "Stu" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > news:29E2D326-750C-4CA8-95B4-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > > Well here we are Bill April 1 and .......... I can post
>> >> >> > > > again!
>> >> >> > > > Courtesy
>> >> >> > > > IE8.
>> >> >> > > > And to think of all the expletives and nasty things a said
>> >> >> > > > about
>> >> >> > > > MS -
>> >> >> > > > still
>> >> >> > > > don`t see the `sign in` link top right but it seems to be
>> >> >> > > > working.
>> >> >> > > > The
>> >> >> > > > guys
>> >> >> > > > at IE8 NG seem to think it relates to a problem with server
>> >> >> > > > hosting this
>> >> >> > > > site. Anyways.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > I was reading some of the symptoms associated with Conficker
>> >> >> > > > and
>> >> >> > > > its
>> >> >> > > > variants. Among other things, these include termination of
>> >> >> > > > the
>> >> >> > > > BITS -
>> >> >> > > > WU/MU,
>> >> >> > > > Security Centre services AND Windows Defender. So that should
>> >> >> > > > be
>> >> >> > > > a
>> >> >> > > > visual
>> >> >> > > > clue for many though not all I grant you. If a multi billion
>> >> >> > > > empire
>> >> >> > > > like
>> >> >> > > > MS
>> >> >> > > > would really like to put a price on the heads of these bad
>> >> >> > > > guys
>> >> >> > > > $250, 000
>> >> >> > > > seems la bit thin on the ground? Like a drop in the ocean? I
>> >> >> > > > also
>> >> >> > > > read the
>> >> >> > > > MRT will detect and remove it?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Stu
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> So far, I've found one network scanner that I was able to
>> >> >> > > >> use
>> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> > > >> scan a
>> >> >> > > >> network at work---it is a python script, but a compiled
>> >> >> > > >> version
>> >> >> > > >> was
>> >> >> > > >> available, so other than working at a command line level, it
>> >> >> > > >> wasn't hard
>> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> > > >> deal with. None of the machines which were turned on at the
>> >> >> > > >> time
>> >> >> > > >> were
>> >> >> > > >> infected.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Have to try it again during the day.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Google for scs_exe.zip to find it.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Not for the average person yet.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> "robinb" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > >> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > >> > and stay off any web browser on the 1st also
>> >> >> > > >> > robin
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> > > >> > "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>> >> >> > > >> > in
>> >> >> > > >> > message
>> >> >> > > >> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > >> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only
>> >> >> > > >> >> journalists
>> >> >> > > >> >> are
>> >> >> > > >> >> hyping
>> >> >> > > >> >> the April 1st date as something normal folks should watch
>> >> >> > > >> >> out
>> >> >> > > >> >> for--there's no need whatsoever. Make sure your machines
>> >> >> > > >> >> are
>> >> >> > > >> >> clean to
>> >> >> > > >> >> the best of your ability, and sit tight. If something
>> >> >> > > >> >> changes,
>> >> >> > > >> >> the
>> >> >> > > >> >> experts will be able to spot it.
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need
>> >> >> > > >> >> worry
>> >> >> > > >> >> about at
>> >> >> > > >> >> all.
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > >> >> news:487C1ED5-7779-4E19-B5E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > >> >>> Interesting reading.
>> >> >> > > >> >>>
>> >> >> > > >> >>> <http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001636.html>
>> >> >> > > >> >>> -=-
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >> --
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> --
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >>
>>

and that one I do not need to translate- spanish I can figure out but thanks
for the link that one can come in handy

robin

I am well.

Lamentation that my writing you of sickness.

I hope that this translation should make you laugh.:-)

I and state "lurking" these forums. Trying to know with what goes
happening somewhere here, such you see I do not write very much, but always
I remember them to
all of you.

"Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:C5427EF6-07CC-49EC-99AF-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Robinb,
>
> Well, Alan bit me, I'm having a hard time getting here, the same problems
> reported by Stu with the web servers.
>
> Why wait for your husband, you can impress him, using Google (is the one I
> use to respond to you) <http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en#>
> or,
> you can have fun with the text to speech
> <http://translation2.paralink.com/>
>
> Try, you will like it ;-)
>
> This is the translation I use to send from Spanish to Hebrew
>
>
> Hola Robin,
>
> Yo me encuentro bien.
>
> Lamento que mi escritura te de mareos.
>
> Espero que esta traduccion te haga reir. :-)
>
> Yo e estado “lurking� estos foros. Tratando de estar al dia con lo que va
> pasando por aqui, tal ves yo no escriba mucho, pero siempre los recuerdo a
> todos ustedes.
>
> Angel
>
>
> Alan is right, those translators are no to profesionales, but are a lot
> fun
> tu use.
>
> Take care
>
> -=-
>
>
> "robinb" wrote:
>
>> ok just wait till my husband gets home so he can translate this for me!
>> robin
>>
>> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:41D88B8F-7658-4BD5-B851-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ×�×*×™ בסדר.
>> >
>> > ×�×*×™ להצטער ×›×™ ×�×*×™ כותב לך סחרחורת.
>> >
>> > ×�×*×™ מקווה שזה התרגו×� גור×� לך לצחוק. :-)
>> >
>> > ו×�×*×™ המדי×*×” "×�ורב×*×™" ×�לה fora. מ×*סה להיש×�ר מעודכן ×¢×� מה שקורה פה, כדי
>> > של�
>> > לכתוב הרבה, �בל תמיד זוכר �ת הכל.
>> >
>> > מל�ך
>> >
>> >
>> > "robinb" wrote:
>> >
>> >> hey engel again how are you? in english please
>> >> your writing backwards is making me dizzy
>> >> I missed you
>> >> robin
>> >>
>> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> news:7A4D5E9B-CE87-4CB7-BA4B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > Danke für deine Antwort!
>> >> >
>> >> > Gruss
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Stu" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Engel
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Many thanks for the reading - how RU?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stu
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Ǝиçεl" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hi Bill and Stu and All IT's
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Families Cleaned by the Malicious Software Removal Tool
>> >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/families.mspx>
>> >> >> > January 13, 2009
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Virus alert about the Win32/Conficker.B worm
>> >> >> > <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007>
>> >> >> > March 6, 2009 -
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Protect yourself from the Conficker computer worm
>> >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/conficker.mspx>
>> >> >> > March 27, 2009
>> >> >> > -=-
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > I've seen that information, but also some posts saying that its
>> >> >> > > presence may
>> >> >> > > not have visible symptoms in some cases. There are
>> >> >> > > detection/removal
>> >> >> > > apps
>> >> >> > > now from a number of reputable vendors, as well as network
>> >> >> > > scanners
>> >> >> > > from EYE
>> >> >> > > and others. I've used one of these to scan some of the
>> >> >> > > networks I
>> >> >> > > administer and not found any sign of infected machines.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I have also heard that the MRT targets conficker, but I can't
>> >> >> > > confirm
>> >> >> > > it--I
>> >> >> > > did look at the MRT site, but didn't spot conficker by name
>> >> >> > > there.
>> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> > > just
>> >> >> > > happened to hit the site by happenstance and wasn't actively
>> >> >> > > searching, so I
>> >> >> > > might have missed it.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > So far, I've not seen any public statements of any significance
>> >> >> > > about
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > anticipated changes in behavior today--I have seen some
>> >> >> > > anecdotal
>> >> >> > > reports
>> >> >> > > that don't make a lot of sense. Some of the conjectures I've
>> >> >> > > seen--brute
>> >> >> > > force password hacking, or perhaps some similar form of
>> >> >> > > distributed
>> >> >> > > computing type decryption activity--might both be very scary,
>> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > > hard to
>> >> >> > > detect--because there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of
>> >> >> > > information
>> >> >> > > transfer
>> >> >> > > to and from the network machines.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > "Stu" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > news:29E2D326-750C-4CA8-95B4-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > > Well here we are Bill April 1 and .......... I can post
>> >> >> > > > again!
>> >> >> > > > Courtesy
>> >> >> > > > IE8.
>> >> >> > > > And to think of all the expletives and nasty things a said
>> >> >> > > > about
>> >> >> > > > MS -
>> >> >> > > > still
>> >> >> > > > don`t see the `sign in` link top right but it seems to be
>> >> >> > > > working.
>> >> >> > > > The
>> >> >> > > > guys
>> >> >> > > > at IE8 NG seem to think it relates to a problem with server
>> >> >> > > > hosting this
>> >> >> > > > site. Anyways.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > I was reading some of the symptoms associated with Conficker
>> >> >> > > > and
>> >> >> > > > its
>> >> >> > > > variants. Among other things, these include termination of
>> >> >> > > > the
>> >> >> > > > BITS -
>> >> >> > > > WU/MU,
>> >> >> > > > Security Centre services AND Windows Defender. So that should
>> >> >> > > > be
>> >> >> > > > a
>> >> >> > > > visual
>> >> >> > > > clue for many though not all I grant you. If a multi billion
>> >> >> > > > empire
>> >> >> > > > like
>> >> >> > > > MS
>> >> >> > > > would really like to put a price on the heads of these bad
>> >> >> > > > guys
>> >> >> > > > $250, 000
>> >> >> > > > seems la bit thin on the ground? Like a drop in the ocean? I
>> >> >> > > > also
>> >> >> > > > read the
>> >> >> > > > MRT will detect and remove it?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Stu
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> So far, I've found one network scanner that I was able to
>> >> >> > > >> use
>> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> > > >> scan a
>> >> >> > > >> network at work---it is a python script, but a compiled
>> >> >> > > >> version
>> >> >> > > >> was
>> >> >> > > >> available, so other than working at a command line level, it
>> >> >> > > >> wasn't hard
>> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> > > >> deal with. None of the machines which were turned on at the
>> >> >> > > >> time
>> >> >> > > >> were
>> >> >> > > >> infected.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Have to try it again during the day.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Google for scs_exe.zip to find it.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Not for the average person yet.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> "robinb" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > >> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > >> > and stay off any web browser on the 1st also
>> >> >> > > >> > robin
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> > > >> > "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>> >> >> > > >> > in
>> >> >> > > >> > message
>> >> >> > > >> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > >> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only
>> >> >> > > >> >> journalists
>> >> >> > > >> >> are
>> >> >> > > >> >> hyping
>> >> >> > > >> >> the April 1st date as something normal folks should watch
>> >> >> > > >> >> out
>> >> >> > > >> >> for--there's no need whatsoever. Make sure your machines
>> >> >> > > >> >> are
>> >> >> > > >> >> clean to
>> >> >> > > >> >> the best of your ability, and sit tight. If something
>> >> >> > > >> >> changes,
>> >> >> > > >> >> the
>> >> >> > > >> >> experts will be able to spot it.
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need
>> >> >> > > >> >> worry
>> >> >> > > >> >> about at
>> >> >> > > >> >> all.
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > >> >> news:487C1ED5-7779-4E19-B5E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > >> >>> Interesting reading.
>> >> >> > > >> >>>
>> >> >> > > >> >>> <http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001636.html>
>> >> >> > > >> >>> -=-
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >> --
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> --
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >>
>>

Le amo también :P
robin

"Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:C5427EF6-07CC-49EC-99AF-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Robinb,
>
> Well, Alan bit me, I'm having a hard time getting here, the same problems
> reported by Stu with the web servers.
>
> Why wait for your husband, you can impress him, using Google (is the one I
> use to respond to you) <http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en#>
> or,
> you can have fun with the text to speech
> <http://translation2.paralink.com/>
>
> Try, you will like it ;-)
>
> This is the translation I use to send from Spanish to Hebrew
>
>
> Hola Robin,
>
> Yo me encuentro bien.
>
> Lamento que mi escritura te de mareos.
>
> Espero que esta traduccion te haga reir. :-)
>
> Yo e estado “lurking� estos foros. Tratando de estar al dia con lo que va
> pasando por aqui, tal ves yo no escriba mucho, pero siempre los recuerdo a
> todos ustedes.
>
> Angel
>
>
> Alan is right, those translators are no to profesionales, but are a lot
> fun
> tu use.
>
> Take care
>
> -=-
>
>
> "robinb" wrote:
>
>> ok just wait till my husband gets home so he can translate this for me!
>> robin
>>
>> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:41D88B8F-7658-4BD5-B851-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ×�×*×™ בסדר.
>> >
>> > ×�×*×™ להצטער ×›×™ ×�×*×™ כותב לך סחרחורת.
>> >
>> > ×�×*×™ מקווה שזה התרגו×� גור×� לך לצחוק. :-)
>> >
>> > ו×�×*×™ המדי×*×” "×�ורב×*×™" ×�לה fora. מ×*סה להיש×�ר מעודכן ×¢×� מה שקורה פה, כדי
>> > של�
>> > לכתוב הרבה, �בל תמיד זוכר �ת הכל.
>> >
>> > מל�ך
>> >
>> >
>> > "robinb" wrote:
>> >
>> >> hey engel again how are you? in english please
>> >> your writing backwards is making me dizzy
>> >> I missed you
>> >> robin
>> >>
>> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> news:7A4D5E9B-CE87-4CB7-BA4B-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > Danke für deine Antwort!
>> >> >
>> >> > Gruss
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Stu" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Engel
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Many thanks for the reading - how RU?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stu
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Ǝиçεl" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Hi Bill and Stu and All IT's
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Families Cleaned by the Malicious Software Removal Tool
>> >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/families.mspx>
>> >> >> > January 13, 2009
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Virus alert about the Win32/Conficker.B worm
>> >> >> > <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007>
>> >> >> > March 6, 2009 -
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Protect yourself from the Conficker computer worm
>> >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/conficker.mspx>
>> >> >> > March 27, 2009
>> >> >> > -=-
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > I've seen that information, but also some posts saying that its
>> >> >> > > presence may
>> >> >> > > not have visible symptoms in some cases. There are
>> >> >> > > detection/removal
>> >> >> > > apps
>> >> >> > > now from a number of reputable vendors, as well as network
>> >> >> > > scanners
>> >> >> > > from EYE
>> >> >> > > and others. I've used one of these to scan some of the
>> >> >> > > networks I
>> >> >> > > administer and not found any sign of infected machines.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > I have also heard that the MRT targets conficker, but I can't
>> >> >> > > confirm
>> >> >> > > it--I
>> >> >> > > did look at the MRT site, but didn't spot conficker by name
>> >> >> > > there.
>> >> >> > > I
>> >> >> > > just
>> >> >> > > happened to hit the site by happenstance and wasn't actively
>> >> >> > > searching, so I
>> >> >> > > might have missed it.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > So far, I've not seen any public statements of any significance
>> >> >> > > about
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > anticipated changes in behavior today--I have seen some
>> >> >> > > anecdotal
>> >> >> > > reports
>> >> >> > > that don't make a lot of sense. Some of the conjectures I've
>> >> >> > > seen--brute
>> >> >> > > force password hacking, or perhaps some similar form of
>> >> >> > > distributed
>> >> >> > > computing type decryption activity--might both be very scary,
>> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > > hard to
>> >> >> > > detect--because there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of
>> >> >> > > information
>> >> >> > > transfer
>> >> >> > > to and from the network machines.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > "Stu" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > news:29E2D326-750C-4CA8-95B4-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > > Well here we are Bill April 1 and .......... I can post
>> >> >> > > > again!
>> >> >> > > > Courtesy
>> >> >> > > > IE8.
>> >> >> > > > And to think of all the expletives and nasty things a said
>> >> >> > > > about
>> >> >> > > > MS -
>> >> >> > > > still
>> >> >> > > > don`t see the `sign in` link top right but it seems to be
>> >> >> > > > working.
>> >> >> > > > The
>> >> >> > > > guys
>> >> >> > > > at IE8 NG seem to think it relates to a problem with server
>> >> >> > > > hosting this
>> >> >> > > > site. Anyways.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > I was reading some of the symptoms associated with Conficker
>> >> >> > > > and
>> >> >> > > > its
>> >> >> > > > variants. Among other things, these include termination of
>> >> >> > > > the
>> >> >> > > > BITS -
>> >> >> > > > WU/MU,
>> >> >> > > > Security Centre services AND Windows Defender. So that should
>> >> >> > > > be
>> >> >> > > > a
>> >> >> > > > visual
>> >> >> > > > clue for many though not all I grant you. If a multi billion
>> >> >> > > > empire
>> >> >> > > > like
>> >> >> > > > MS
>> >> >> > > > would really like to put a price on the heads of these bad
>> >> >> > > > guys
>> >> >> > > > $250, 000
>> >> >> > > > seems la bit thin on the ground? Like a drop in the ocean? I
>> >> >> > > > also
>> >> >> > > > read the
>> >> >> > > > MRT will detect and remove it?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Stu
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >> So far, I've found one network scanner that I was able to
>> >> >> > > >> use
>> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> > > >> scan a
>> >> >> > > >> network at work---it is a python script, but a compiled
>> >> >> > > >> version
>> >> >> > > >> was
>> >> >> > > >> available, so other than working at a command line level, it
>> >> >> > > >> wasn't hard
>> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> > > >> deal with. None of the machines which were turned on at the
>> >> >> > > >> time
>> >> >> > > >> were
>> >> >> > > >> infected.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Have to try it again during the day.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Google for scs_exe.zip to find it.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Not for the average person yet.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> "robinb" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > >> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > >> > and stay off any web browser on the 1st also
>> >> >> > > >> > robin
>> >> >> > > >> >
>> >> >> > > >> > "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>> >> >> > > >> > in
>> >> >> > > >> > message
>> >> >> > > >> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > >> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only
>> >> >> > > >> >> journalists
>> >> >> > > >> >> are
>> >> >> > > >> >> hyping
>> >> >> > > >> >> the April 1st date as something normal folks should watch
>> >> >> > > >> >> out
>> >> >> > > >> >> for--there's no need whatsoever. Make sure your machines
>> >> >> > > >> >> are
>> >> >> > > >> >> clean to
>> >> >> > > >> >> the best of your ability, and sit tight. If something
>> >> >> > > >> >> changes,
>> >> >> > > >> >> the
>> >> >> > > >> >> experts will be able to spot it.
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need
>> >> >> > > >> >> worry
>> >> >> > > >> >> about at
>> >> >> > > >> >> all.
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> > > >> >> news:487C1ED5-7779-4E19-B5E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > > >> >>> Interesting reading.
>> >> >> > > >> >>>
>> >> >> > > >> >>> <http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001636.html>
>> >> >> > > >> >>> -=-
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >> --
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> --
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >>
>>

ด้วยความยินดี!



"Ǝиçεl" wrote:

> Danke für deine Antwort!
>
> Gruss
> --
>
>
> "Stu" wrote:
>
> > Hi Engel
> >
> > Many thanks for the reading - how RU?
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > "Ǝиçεl" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Bill and Stu and All IT's
> > >
> > > Families Cleaned by the Malicious Software Removal Tool
> > > <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/families.mspx>
> > > January 13, 2009
> > >
> > > Virus alert about the Win32/Conficker.B worm
> > > <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007>
> > > March 6, 2009 -
> > >
> > > Protect yourself from the Conficker computer worm
> > > <http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/conficker.mspx>
> > > March 27, 2009
> > > -=-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've seen that information, but also some posts saying that its presence may
> > > > not have visible symptoms in some cases. There are detection/removal apps
> > > > now from a number of reputable vendors, as well as network scanners from EYE
> > > > and others. I've used one of these to scan some of the networks I
> > > > administer and not found any sign of infected machines.
> > > >
> > > > I have also heard that the MRT targets conficker, but I can't confirm it--I
> > > > did look at the MRT site, but didn't spot conficker by name there. I just
> > > > happened to hit the site by happenstance and wasn't actively searching, so I
> > > > might have missed it.
> > > >
> > > > So far, I've not seen any public statements of any significance about the
> > > > anticipated changes in behavior today--I have seen some anecdotal reports
> > > > that don't make a lot of sense. Some of the conjectures I've seen--brute
> > > > force password hacking, or perhaps some similar form of distributed
> > > > computing type decryption activity--might both be very scary, and hard to
> > > > detect--because there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of information transfer
> > > > to and from the network machines.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Stu" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:29E2D326-750C-4CA8-95B4-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > Well here we are Bill April 1 and .......... I can post again! Courtesy
> > > > > IE8.
> > > > > And to think of all the expletives and nasty things a said about MS -
> > > > > still
> > > > > don`t see the `sign in` link top right but it seems to be working. The
> > > > > guys
> > > > > at IE8 NG seem to think it relates to a problem with server hosting this
> > > > > site. Anyways.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was reading some of the symptoms associated with Conficker and its
> > > > > variants. Among other things, these include termination of the BITS -
> > > > > WU/MU,
> > > > > Security Centre services AND Windows Defender. So that should be a visual
> > > > > clue for many though not all I grant you. If a multi billion empire like
> > > > > MS
> > > > > would really like to put a price on the heads of these bad guys $250, 000
> > > > > seems la bit thin on the ground? Like a drop in the ocean? I also read the
> > > > > MRT will detect and remove it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Stu
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> So far, I've found one network scanner that I was able to use to scan a
> > > > >> network at work---it is a python script, but a compiled version was
> > > > >> available, so other than working at a command line level, it wasn't hard
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> deal with. None of the machines which were turned on at the time were
> > > > >> infected.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Have to try it again during the day.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Google for scs_exe.zip to find it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Not for the average person yet.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "robinb" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > >> > and stay off any web browser on the 1st also
> > > > >> > robin
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > >> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > >> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only journalists are
> > > > >> >> hyping
> > > > >> >> the April 1st date as something normal folks should watch out
> > > > >> >> for--there's no need whatsoever. Make sure your machines are clean to
> > > > >> >> the best of your ability, and sit tight. If something changes, the
> > > > >> >> experts will be able to spot it.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need worry about at
> > > > >> >> all.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > >> >> news:487C1ED5-7779-4E19-B5E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > >> >>> Interesting reading.
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> <http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001636.html>
> > > > >> >>> -=-
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> --
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

All of the information flowing in is quite helpful. But, I think we are
missing the point. My up-to-date TREND Antivirus let the virus rignt in.
Microsoft One Care thinks it works and then notes that it was unsuccessful.
Best Buys recommends Norton (I gave up on them 10 years ago), I type in a URL
and get "Slammed" to a different URL. This thing is a bomb. The aniirus
writers are so busy making money from this global attack they have little
interest in a fix. One Care does it thing and the reports that it failed to
remove a dangerour problem. Is all of computerdomb screwed? I guess we'll
see.


JPH sends...
"Bill Sanderson" wrote:

> Thanks - that is useful information for anyone with several machines on a
> network.
>
> "Randy Knobloch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Bill Sanderson wrote:
> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only journalists are hyping
> >> the
> >> April 1st date as something normal folks should watch out for--there's no
> >> need whatsoever. Make sure your machines are clean to the best of your
> >> ability, and sit tight. If something changes, the experts will be able
> >> to
> >> spot it.
> >>
> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need worry about at all.
> >
> > "Busted! Conficker's tell-tale heart uncovered"
> >
> > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/30/conficker_signature_discovery/>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Randy
> > <http://msmvps.com/blogs/siljaline/default.aspx>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
>

I think I'm missing the beginning of your story.

It does sound like you have something bad in place.

I gather OneCare can name the critter, but has not successfully removed it?

And from your description of the behavior, this isn't just a case of
something in the recycle bin or TIF--it is something installed and active.

My recommendation at this point would be to re-start the machine in Safe
mode with networking. In that mode, go to safety.live.com and do a scan
there. That will get you Microsoft's latest signatures and removal
abilities, and it will be applying those in safe mode which sometimes makes
malware removal easier.



"Jhawke" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:92462DB7-6866-4A42-8A7A-(E-Mail Removed)...
> All of the information flowing in is quite helpful. But, I think we are
> missing the point. My up-to-date TREND Antivirus let the virus rignt in.
> Microsoft One Care thinks it works and then notes that it was
> unsuccessful.
> Best Buys recommends Norton (I gave up on them 10 years ago), I type in a
> URL
> and get "Slammed" to a different URL. This thing is a bomb. The aniirus
> writers are so busy making money from this global attack they have little
> interest in a fix. One Care does it thing and the reports that it failed
> to
> remove a dangerour problem. Is all of computerdomb screwed? I guess
> we'll
> see.
>
>
> JPH sends...
> "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
>
>> Thanks - that is useful information for anyone with several machines on
>> a
>> network.
>>
>> "Randy Knobloch" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Bill Sanderson wrote:
>> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only journalists are
>> >> hyping
>> >> the
>> >> April 1st date as something normal folks should watch out for--there's
>> >> no
>> >> need whatsoever. Make sure your machines are clean to the best of
>> >> your
>> >> ability, and sit tight. If something changes, the experts will be
>> >> able
>> >> to
>> >> spot it.
>> >>
>> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need worry about at
>> >> all.
>> >
>> > "Busted! Conficker's tell-tale heart uncovered"
>> >
>> > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/30/conficker_signature_discovery/>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Randy
>> > <http://msmvps.com/blogs/siljaline/default.aspx>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>


--

Engel wrote:

Alan is right, those translators are no to profesionales ............

Too right Alan is right! Some time back I thought I`d impress my missus with
a newly aquired knowledge of Thai. Wrote a lengthy epistle in English (not my
bestest language), translated using Google and ..... stunned silence when she
read it. I felt like one of those hastily deflated party baloons and my only
regret was I didn`t fly out of the window before I ran out of air

Still, if you can`t laugh at yourself. Who can you laugh at?

Stu

"Ǝиçεl" wrote:

> Hi Robinb,
>
> Well, Alan bit me, I'm having a hard time getting here, the same problems
> reported by Stu with the web servers.
>
> Why wait for your husband, you can impress him, using Google (is the one I
> use to respond to you) <http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en#> or,
> you can have fun with the text to speech <http://translation2.paralink.com/>
>
> Try, you will like it ;-)
>
> This is the translation I use to send from Spanish to Hebrew
>
>
> Hola Robin,
>
> Yo me encuentro bien.
>
> Lamento que mi escritura te de mareos.
>
> Espero que esta traduccion te haga reir. :-)
>
> Yo e estado “lurking� estos foros. Tratando de estar al dia con lo que va
> pasando por aqui, tal ves yo no escriba mucho, pero siempre los recuerdo a
> todos ustedes.
>
> Angel
>
>
> Alan is right, those translators are no to profesionales, but are a lot fun
> tu use.
>
> Take care
>
> -=-
>
>
> "robinb" wrote:
>
> > ok just wait till my husband gets home so he can translate this for me!
> > robin
> >
> > "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:41D88B8F-7658-4BD5-B851-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ×�×*×™ בסדר.
> > >
> > > ×�×*×™ להצטער ×›×™ ×�×*×™ כותב לך סחרחורת.
> > >
> > > ×�×*×™ מקווה שזה התרגו×� גור×� לך לצחוק. :-)
> > >
> > > ו×�×*×™ המדי×*×” "×�ורב×*×™" ×�לה fora. מ×*סה להיש×�ר מעודכן ×¢×� מה שקורה פה, כדי של×�
> > > לכתוב הרבה, �בל תמיד זוכר �ת הכל.
> > >
> > > מל�ך
> > >
> > >
> > > "robinb" wrote:
> > >
> > >> hey engel again how are you? in english please
> > >> your writing backwards is making me dizzy
> > >> I missed you
> > >> robin
> > >>
> > >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > >> news:7A4D5E9B-CE87-4CB7-BA4B-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >> > Danke für deine Antwort!
> > >> >
> > >> > Gruss
> > >> > --
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > "Stu" wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Hi Engel
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Many thanks for the reading - how RU?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Stu
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Ǝиçεl" wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Hi Bill and Stu and All IT's
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Families Cleaned by the Malicious Software Removal Tool
> > >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/families.mspx>
> > >> >> > January 13, 2009
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Virus alert about the Win32/Conficker.B worm
> > >> >> > <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007>
> > >> >> > March 6, 2009 -
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Protect yourself from the Conficker computer worm
> > >> >> > <http://www.microsoft.com/protect/computer/viruses/worms/conficker.mspx>
> > >> >> > March 27, 2009
> > >> >> > -=-
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > I've seen that information, but also some posts saying that its
> > >> >> > > presence may
> > >> >> > > not have visible symptoms in some cases. There are
> > >> >> > > detection/removal
> > >> >> > > apps
> > >> >> > > now from a number of reputable vendors, as well as network
> > >> >> > > scanners
> > >> >> > > from EYE
> > >> >> > > and others. I've used one of these to scan some of the networks I
> > >> >> > > administer and not found any sign of infected machines.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > I have also heard that the MRT targets conficker, but I can't
> > >> >> > > confirm
> > >> >> > > it--I
> > >> >> > > did look at the MRT site, but didn't spot conficker by name there.
> > >> >> > > I
> > >> >> > > just
> > >> >> > > happened to hit the site by happenstance and wasn't actively
> > >> >> > > searching, so I
> > >> >> > > might have missed it.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > So far, I've not seen any public statements of any significance
> > >> >> > > about
> > >> >> > > the
> > >> >> > > anticipated changes in behavior today--I have seen some anecdotal
> > >> >> > > reports
> > >> >> > > that don't make a lot of sense. Some of the conjectures I've
> > >> >> > > seen--brute
> > >> >> > > force password hacking, or perhaps some similar form of
> > >> >> > > distributed
> > >> >> > > computing type decryption activity--might both be very scary, and
> > >> >> > > hard to
> > >> >> > > detect--because there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of information
> > >> >> > > transfer
> > >> >> > > to and from the network machines.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > "Stu" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > >> >> > > news:29E2D326-750C-4CA8-95B4-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >> >> > > > Well here we are Bill April 1 and .......... I can post again!
> > >> >> > > > Courtesy
> > >> >> > > > IE8.
> > >> >> > > > And to think of all the expletives and nasty things a said about
> > >> >> > > > MS -
> > >> >> > > > still
> > >> >> > > > don`t see the `sign in` link top right but it seems to be
> > >> >> > > > working.
> > >> >> > > > The
> > >> >> > > > guys
> > >> >> > > > at IE8 NG seem to think it relates to a problem with server
> > >> >> > > > hosting this
> > >> >> > > > site. Anyways.
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > I was reading some of the symptoms associated with Conficker and
> > >> >> > > > its
> > >> >> > > > variants. Among other things, these include termination of the
> > >> >> > > > BITS -
> > >> >> > > > WU/MU,
> > >> >> > > > Security Centre services AND Windows Defender. So that should be
> > >> >> > > > a
> > >> >> > > > visual
> > >> >> > > > clue for many though not all I grant you. If a multi billion
> > >> >> > > > empire
> > >> >> > > > like
> > >> >> > > > MS
> > >> >> > > > would really like to put a price on the heads of these bad guys
> > >> >> > > > $250, 000
> > >> >> > > > seems la bit thin on the ground? Like a drop in the ocean? I
> > >> >> > > > also
> > >> >> > > > read the
> > >> >> > > > MRT will detect and remove it?
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Stu
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote:
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >> So far, I've found one network scanner that I was able to use
> > >> >> > > >> to
> > >> >> > > >> scan a
> > >> >> > > >> network at work---it is a python script, but a compiled version
> > >> >> > > >> was
> > >> >> > > >> available, so other than working at a command line level, it
> > >> >> > > >> wasn't hard
> > >> >> > > >> to
> > >> >> > > >> deal with. None of the machines which were turned on at the
> > >> >> > > >> time
> > >> >> > > >> were
> > >> >> > > >> infected.
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> Have to try it again during the day.
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> Google for scs_exe.zip to find it.
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> Not for the average person yet.
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >> "robinb" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > >> >> > > >> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >> >> > > >> > and stay off any web browser on the 1st also
> > >> >> > > >> > robin
> > >> >> > > >> >
> > >> >> > > >> > "Bill Sanderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> > >> >> > > >> > message
> > >> >> > > >> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >> >> > > >> >> Yes, but it all arrives at the same point: Only journalists
> > >> >> > > >> >> are
> > >> >> > > >> >> hyping
> > >> >> > > >> >> the April 1st date as something normal folks should watch
> > >> >> > > >> >> out
> > >> >> > > >> >> for--there's no need whatsoever. Make sure your machines
> > >> >> > > >> >> are
> > >> >> > > >> >> clean to
> > >> >> > > >> >> the best of your ability, and sit tight. If something
> > >> >> > > >> >> changes,
> > >> >> > > >> >> the
> > >> >> > > >> >> experts will be able to spot it.
> > >> >> > > >> >>
> > >> >> > > >> >> Nothing ordinary folks, or even normal techies--need worry
> > >> >> > > >> >> about at
> > >> >> > > >> >> all.
> > >> >> > > >> >>
> > >> >> > > >> >>
> > >> >> > > >> >> "Ǝиçεl" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > >> >> > > >> >> news:487C1ED5-7779-4E19-B5E5-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >> >> > > >> >>> Interesting reading.
> > >> >> > > >> >>>
> > >> >> > > >> >>> <http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001636.html>
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