I put together a video for the Apprentice 2 and had a
great deal of difficulty. Here is a breakdown of what
happened and how I fixed it.

I started by shooting the individual clips I wanted to
put into a movie. This was the easy part.

Then my friend recommende Adobe Premier as an editor
which I loaded. After learning about Premier found that
my DV camcorder could transfer digital data to my
computer rather than analog converted to digital so I
started down that path.

I installed the USB drivers and Imaging capture software
included with my Sony DRC-TRV19 DV Camcorder and saw it
had the ability to capture video directly from the
Camcorder so I used this feature to capture the clips.
BUT the sound didn't work!!! Installed Adobe Premier
Trial (free) and during install it pointed me directly to
the control panel and config location that fixed the
sound issue. Cool!!!

While searching for a fix to my sound issue I found out
that XP included Movie Maker and after looking into that
I decided to use it. After loading 3 clips MM crashed.
Looked into the debug info it was sending to Microsoft
and found a Codex from a WinDVD program I installed was
causing the problem. Looked in Google and found the
answer. Just uninstall WinDVD. MM worked now and I
composed the entire movie and was pleased with the cool
transitions and MM. Now to copy the movie back to tape.

First issue. USB 1.1 vs 2.0. To do good editing work
you'll need fast interconnect either USB 2.0 or IEEE
1394. I thought I had USB 2.0 but found if the mfg
doesn't specify 2.0 it is either 1.0 or 1.1. Went to the
store and bought a USB 2.0 and Firewire PCMCIA card which
fixed the USB 2.0 issue with my external hard drive.

Then I found out USB is one-way only from the camcorder.
Only Firewire is bi-directional. So off to the store to
get and i.Link cable. ( Later I found I didn't need to
buy this as Firewire PCI cards include a cable 6-pin to 4-
pin.)

When I used MM to save my video directly to the DV
camcorder, it looked like it was going to work and the
record mode automatically turned on when I clicked record
in MM. But for some reason the camcorder only recorded a
blue screen for the entire movie. No sound, no picture,
nothing. I spent hours trying to figure this out but
could not and had a deadline so I went down another path
after finding a GREAT website www.papajohn.org.

I ended up successfully using a program called WinDV
which is free and papajohn links to in his site. It is a
simple program that captures and copied .AVI files
directly to the camcorder. I only needed the copy to DV
feature so I generated an .AVI file. It was HUGE, 1.5GB
in all for my 8 minute movie.

There was some type of driver issue with my laptop and I
could not get it to work. It also copied the .AVI file
as a blue screen. Now that I knew my laptop was hosed, I
tried to get it to work on my desktop. Off to the store
for a USB/Firewire card and also bought Pinnacle v9 with
a PCI capture/Firewire card for $99 as a contingency plan
since all computer stores are closing in 30 minutes.

The separate USB/Firewire card I bought was trash,
neither the USB or Firewird drivers for that card worked
correctly on my desktop. It wouldn't even recognize my
external hard drive or my camcorder correctly. I need to
return it.

Put in the Pinnacle capture card and loaded Pinnacle 9.
I tried to load the .AVI file into Pinnacle but it didn't
work and the message was not helpful so all I knew is it
couldn't load the 1.5GB .AVI file.

Then I got the idea to try the free WinDV program on my
desktop now that it had a firewire connection from the
Pinnacle software/hardware bundle I bought. The first
try didn't work then I noticed an unlabled checkbox and
decided to check it and click <Record> in the WinDV
program. IT WORKED!!! By default the WinDV software
does not automatically turn recording on, but after
checking the unlabeled checkbox it automatically turned
recording on and I saw the movie copying to my
camcorder!!! IT WAS WORKING!!! The Pinnacle card in my
desktop worked and made the difference.

Now I had to copy to VHS which was easy using the analog
output on the TRV19 Sony DV Camcorder connected directly
to my home VCR. Put a label on it and it was FINALLY
ready to go.

In summary to do video editing I'd recommend the
following:
1. Use a DV camcorder, do not use analog.
2. Use an external USB 2.0/Firewire harddrive that can
move between multiple computers. That was helpful.
Copying a movie to another computer can take 15 minutes.
3. Use Movie Maker that ships free with XP. It is a
great utility for editing movies. What a steal.
4. Be aware of incompatibilities with USB and Firewire
drivers and cards. Not all USB/Firewire cards are equal
and compatible.
5. Reference the www.papajohn.org site
6. Check out the WinDV program from papajohn especially
if you are experiencing difficulty.
7. Editing makes home movies 10 times better. It makes
all the difference. I tossed out at least 80% of the
clips and reordered them to tell a story.
8. The faster the computer you have the better. 2.0Ghz
and 512 memory at a minimum. Video editing is VERY
demanding on your hardware.
9. Use i.Link and Firewire to pull video from and send
video to your camcorder. It is the only way to go.
10. Pinnacle 9 is much cheaper than Adobe Premier $99
vs $699. Try Pinnacle first and only get Premier if you
are either rich or need a specific feature it has.

Have a Great Day,
John

Hi there,

Thanks for your input.

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Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
---
And if it should come to pass that our dreams come true, what then of our
nightmares?

Hi there,

I thought I had seen a posting similar to this elsewhere...still can't remember
if it was in this newsgroup or not. So, I checked up on it. The video referred
to is of an EXTREME PORNOGRAPHIC NATURE in every way possible. Whilst someone
is bound to say that by bringing it to every ones attention I am encouraging
them to go take a look, I believe it is far more responsible to warn parents or
those of a sensitive nature to stay away from it.

If I was still a serving Police Officer I would take great pleasure in bringing
these sort of people before the courts.

I hope that Microsoft will see my comments and delete this entire thread.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
---
And if it should come to pass that our dreams come true, what then of our
nightmares?

Hi there,

I thought I had seen a posting similar to this elsewhere...still can't remember
if it was in this newsgroup or not. So, I checked up on it. The video referred
to is of an EXTREME PORNOGRAPHIC NATURE in every way possible. Whilst someone
is bound to say that by bringing it to every ones attention I am encouraging
them to go take a look, I believe it is far more responsible to warn parents or
those of a sensitive nature to stay away from it.

If I was still a serving Police Officer I would take great pleasure in bringing
these sort of people before the courts.

I hope that Microsoft will see my comments and delete this entire thread.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
---
And if it should come to pass that our dreams come true, what then of our
nightmares?

Hi John,

Thanks for the interesting story.... hopefully you can now sit back and
enjoy your learning experience.

And thanks for posting it.

PapaJohn


"John" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:73c101c40208$2be30a30$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I put together a video for the Apprentice 2 and had a
> great deal of difficulty. Here is a breakdown of what
> happened and how I fixed it.
>
> I started by shooting the individual clips I wanted to
> put into a movie. This was the easy part.
>
> Then my friend recommende Adobe Premier as an editor
> which I loaded. After learning about Premier found that
> my DV camcorder could transfer digital data to my
> computer rather than analog converted to digital so I
> started down that path.
>
> I installed the USB drivers and Imaging capture software
> included with my Sony DRC-TRV19 DV Camcorder and saw it
> had the ability to capture video directly from the
> Camcorder so I used this feature to capture the clips.
> BUT the sound didn't work!!! Installed Adobe Premier
> Trial (free) and during install it pointed me directly to
> the control panel and config location that fixed the
> sound issue. Cool!!!
>
> While searching for a fix to my sound issue I found out
> that XP included Movie Maker and after looking into that
> I decided to use it. After loading 3 clips MM crashed.
> Looked into the debug info it was sending to Microsoft
> and found a Codex from a WinDVD program I installed was
> causing the problem. Looked in Google and found the
> answer. Just uninstall WinDVD. MM worked now and I
> composed the entire movie and was pleased with the cool
> transitions and MM. Now to copy the movie back to tape.
>
> First issue. USB 1.1 vs 2.0. To do good editing work
> you'll need fast interconnect either USB 2.0 or IEEE
> 1394. I thought I had USB 2.0 but found if the mfg
> doesn't specify 2.0 it is either 1.0 or 1.1. Went to the
> store and bought a USB 2.0 and Firewire PCMCIA card which
> fixed the USB 2.0 issue with my external hard drive.
>
> Then I found out USB is one-way only from the camcorder.
> Only Firewire is bi-directional. So off to the store to
> get and i.Link cable. ( Later I found I didn't need to
> buy this as Firewire PCI cards include a cable 6-pin to 4-
> pin.)
>
> When I used MM to save my video directly to the DV
> camcorder, it looked like it was going to work and the
> record mode automatically turned on when I clicked record
> in MM. But for some reason the camcorder only recorded a
> blue screen for the entire movie. No sound, no picture,
> nothing. I spent hours trying to figure this out but
> could not and had a deadline so I went down another path
> after finding a GREAT website www.papajohn.org.
>
> I ended up successfully using a program called WinDV
> which is free and papajohn links to in his site. It is a
> simple program that captures and copied .AVI files
> directly to the camcorder. I only needed the copy to DV
> feature so I generated an .AVI file. It was HUGE, 1.5GB
> in all for my 8 minute movie.
>
> There was some type of driver issue with my laptop and I
> could not get it to work. It also copied the .AVI file
> as a blue screen. Now that I knew my laptop was hosed, I
> tried to get it to work on my desktop. Off to the store
> for a USB/Firewire card and also bought Pinnacle v9 with
> a PCI capture/Firewire card for $99 as a contingency plan
> since all computer stores are closing in 30 minutes.
>
> The separate USB/Firewire card I bought was trash,
> neither the USB or Firewird drivers for that card worked
> correctly on my desktop. It wouldn't even recognize my
> external hard drive or my camcorder correctly. I need to
> return it.
>
> Put in the Pinnacle capture card and loaded Pinnacle 9.
> I tried to load the .AVI file into Pinnacle but it didn't
> work and the message was not helpful so all I knew is it
> couldn't load the 1.5GB .AVI file.
>
> Then I got the idea to try the free WinDV program on my
> desktop now that it had a firewire connection from the
> Pinnacle software/hardware bundle I bought. The first
> try didn't work then I noticed an unlabled checkbox and
> decided to check it and click <Record> in the WinDV
> program. IT WORKED!!! By default the WinDV software
> does not automatically turn recording on, but after
> checking the unlabeled checkbox it automatically turned
> recording on and I saw the movie copying to my
> camcorder!!! IT WAS WORKING!!! The Pinnacle card in my
> desktop worked and made the difference.
>
> Now I had to copy to VHS which was easy using the analog
> output on the TRV19 Sony DV Camcorder connected directly
> to my home VCR. Put a label on it and it was FINALLY
> ready to go.
>
> In summary to do video editing I'd recommend the
> following:
> 1. Use a DV camcorder, do not use analog.
> 2. Use an external USB 2.0/Firewire harddrive that can
> move between multiple computers. That was helpful.
> Copying a movie to another computer can take 15 minutes.
> 3. Use Movie Maker that ships free with XP. It is a
> great utility for editing movies. What a steal.
> 4. Be aware of incompatibilities with USB and Firewire
> drivers and cards. Not all USB/Firewire cards are equal
> and compatible.
> 5. Reference the www.papajohn.org site
> 6. Check out the WinDV program from papajohn especially
> if you are experiencing difficulty.
> 7. Editing makes home movies 10 times better. It makes
> all the difference. I tossed out at least 80% of the
> clips and reordered them to tell a story.
> 8. The faster the computer you have the better. 2.0Ghz
> and 512 memory at a minimum. Video editing is VERY
> demanding on your hardware.
> 9. Use i.Link and Firewire to pull video from and send
> video to your camcorder. It is the only way to go.
> 10. Pinnacle 9 is much cheaper than Adobe Premier $99
> vs $699. Try Pinnacle first and only get Premier if you
> are either rich or need a specific feature it has.
>
> Have a Great Day,
> John
>
>

What are you talking about? I made a video for the
Apprentice Season 2. I don't think Donald J. Trump is
interested in porn stars on his show or running any of
his companies.

John (The author of the original post, not John Kelly or
PapaJohn )

Oh Dear,

Well maybe you did not read my message about the nature of what "John" is up
to...at least I very strongly hope you did not. There are various types of PORN
out there.....those who make it and those who support it in any form, deserve
nothing but the highest condemnation and imprisonment. I am sure you agree.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
---
And if it should come to pass that our dreams come true, what then of our
nightmares?

John,

I read and responded to John's post.... and didn't see any links or pointers
to the movie he made. I'm here to learn about and help others learn about
Movie Maker 2.

No, I'm not interested in what they use it for. I leave the legal and moral
issues up to each person and their lawyers, governments and religions.... I
don't agree.


PapaJohn



"John Kelly" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:2oK1c.8570$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Oh Dear,
>
> Well maybe you did not read my message about the nature of what "John" is
up
> to...at least I very strongly hope you did not. There are various types of
PORN
> out there.....those who make it and those who support it in any form,
deserve
> nothing but the highest condemnation and imprisonment. I am sure you
agree.
>
> --
> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
> www.the-kellys.org
> ---
> And if it should come to pass that our dreams come true, what then of our
> nightmares?

The movie I made was for the Apprentice Season 2 reality
show on NBC hosted by Donald J. Trump. The tapes are due
today and I fed-exed it yesterday to beat today's
deadline. If you want I can post my fed-ex tracking
number for verification.

John

Papajohn,

I am very sorry to see your reply even though you have consistently and
demonstratably tried to undermine a lot of the help I give this group I have
always thought that you had morals, "Leaving it to others" is exactly how
Hitler rose to power with every one else saying "I am just following orders",
surely you do not want us to think of you as having that kind of a standpoint,
do you...I guess you do, you say so in the message I am replying to, anyway,
it is not what I expect from a Microsoft Valued Professional and I am sure that
Microsoft will agree.

Even though as of yesterday your name does not appear in the list of appointed
MVP's you represent your self as a PROFFESIONAL and favoured member of a team
of people recognised for their abilities.

Some of those abilities were highlighted when you did not know how to reply to
a secure e-mail using Outlook (I can tell you now that we all had a good laugh
here when we realised that) or why it is very bad manners to send HTML
formatted messages out over newsgroups that do not EXPRESSLY permit it (I have
brought that to your notice many times. I would love to be in a position of
seeing whether or not you know why it is happening and how to stop it), or
understand why your web site was unavailable or had and I quote "repaired
itself, I Like that" and did not know what a Tracert was and tried to belittle
me when I helped out others on that issue. These are not the comments of a
professional.

I doubt when Microsoft see your reply they will agree with you at all. If and
when they see the material...and I don't give a dam what "John" has to say on
the issue, they WILL care about the moral and legal issues and I hope will
advise you on their legal standpoint. They have a huge legal department you
know. Perhaps you should read the guidelines your self on the subject of
Usenet.

You also once sent me an e-mail saying that two people could not run this
newsgroup, meaning me and you. I never ever thought of myself as running this
newsgroup, how could I...its a non-moderated news group....and that means
Papajohn that you do not run it either.

All of my comments above are demonstratable...I kept all of your messages, and,
it was also clear from you first reply to "John" that your intent was to
inflame the
issue that I had brought to the attention of every one else, when Microsoft
read the time date stamps they will see what I mean. I am sure Microsoft will
take a less than favourable view on that as well. and just in case they miss
all of this I will send them a copy.

If you had replied along the lines of "I was not aware of that" or anything
equally polite I would have let your past performances go, as it is I am afraid
letting the issue go is the very last thing I will do.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org
---
And if it should come to pass that our dreams come true, what then of our
nightmares?