It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every boot
UAC prompts rather late in the booting sequence for this program...allow ot
not.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD

> It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every boot
> UAC prompts rather late in the booting sequence for this program...allow ot
> not.

UAC has no effect during boot. Are you sure you mean during boot, or do you
mean during logon?

What does the program do? If it is marked for elevation, or recognized as an
installer, you need to get a Vista compatible version of it.

I meant after logon even into Admin it still goes dark then asks if I should
allow it. The version is specifically for Vista 32-bit.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD

"Jesper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:CE793031-8918-464C-A7AB-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every boot
>> UAC prompts rather late in the booting sequence for this program...allow
>> ot
>> not.
>
> UAC has no effect during boot. Are you sure you mean during boot, or do
> you
> mean during logon?
>
> What does the program do? If it is marked for elevation, or recognized as
> an
> installer, you need to get a Vista compatible version of it.

When Samsung releases a Vista version of the software the problem will go
away. MagicTune is for Windows XP

I also can't use it. Then again, I didn't use it under XP either.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User


"Peter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:72ABC6DB-C6C0-480A-A2F6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every boot
> UAC prompts rather late in the booting sequence for this program...allow
> ot not.
>
> --
> Peter
> Toronto, Canada
> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
> P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD
>

> I meant after logon even into Admin it still goes dark then asks if I should
> allow it. The version is specifically for Vista 32-bit.

OK. That makes more sense. I bet the app is marked for elevation then.
Strictly speaking, you can get rid of it by replacing the manifest on the
application, but to do that you need the Software Developer's Kit, and there
is a really good chance the app won't work afterward.

I'd say you have five options:
1. Live with it.
2. Contact Samsung and tell them that their app is flawed (it is) and that
they need to factor out the parts that are administrative either into a
service or into a COM Moniker so that the rest of the app can run without
elevation.
3. Return the software/hardware as flawed and demand a full refund as it
does not work properly with the operating system it is allegedly created for.
4. Configure UAC for silent elevation. Note that this means you will no
longer be prompted for any application that wants to elevate, including any
malicious apps
5. Turn off UAC altogether - a.k.a. give up. This will disable much of the
security on your computer and make it behave like Windows XP.

I highly dislike option 5. If people do that, developers, like the one's at
Samsung who obviously do not get and and do not give a rat's behind about
their customer's security, will continue to get away with writing crappy
code.

I don't like option 4 a whole lot better. UAC does not provide a secure
process boundary, but I still like knowing when apps elevate and if we set
the system for silent elevation we will not have enough motive to encourage
developers to write good software.

I would highly recommend to you start out with 2. If that does not work,
then go to 3, and please report back what Samsung had to say about 2. One of
us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
to post this app there as the first entry.

"One of
us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
to post this app there as the first entry."

Do I need to start a new division at threatcode.com?



Jesper wrote:
>> I meant after logon even into Admin it still goes dark then asks if I should
>> allow it. The version is specifically for Vista 32-bit.
>>
>
> OK. That makes more sense. I bet the app is marked for elevation then.
> Strictly speaking, you can get rid of it by replacing the manifest on the
> application, but to do that you need the Software Developer's Kit, and there
> is a really good chance the app won't work afterward.
>
> I'd say you have five options:
> 1. Live with it.
> 2. Contact Samsung and tell them that their app is flawed (it is) and that
> they need to factor out the parts that are administrative either into a
> service or into a COM Moniker so that the rest of the app can run without
> elevation.
> 3. Return the software/hardware as flawed and demand a full refund as it
> does not work properly with the operating system it is allegedly created for.
> 4. Configure UAC for silent elevation. Note that this means you will no
> longer be prompted for any application that wants to elevate, including any
> malicious apps
> 5. Turn off UAC altogether - a.k.a. give up. This will disable much of the
> security on your computer and make it behave like Windows XP.
>
> I highly dislike option 5. If people do that, developers, like the one's at
> Samsung who obviously do not get and and do not give a rat's behind about
> their customer's security, will continue to get away with writing crappy
> code.
>
> I don't like option 4 a whole lot better. UAC does not provide a secure
> process boundary, but I still like knowing when apps elevate and if we set
> the system for silent elevation we will not have enough motive to encourage
> developers to write good software.
>
> I would highly recommend to you start out with 2. If that does not work,
> then go to 3, and please report back what Samsung had to say about 2. One of
> us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
> to post this app there as the first entry.
>

> "One of
> us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be happy
> to post this app there as the first entry."
>
> Do I need to start a new division at threatcode.com?

Hint hint...

:-)

There may not be many, althought it would be interesting to start collecting
these.

Fortunately it's a free application...I'll live with it. I'm not reducing
UAC's security for anything.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD

"Jesper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:51C59772-FE47-4E51-85FA-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I meant after logon even into Admin it still goes dark then asks if I
>> should
>> allow it. The version is specifically for Vista 32-bit.
>
> OK. That makes more sense. I bet the app is marked for elevation then.
> Strictly speaking, you can get rid of it by replacing the manifest on the
> application, but to do that you need the Software Developer's Kit, and
> there
> is a really good chance the app won't work afterward.
>
> I'd say you have five options:
> 1. Live with it.
> 2. Contact Samsung and tell them that their app is flawed (it is) and that
> they need to factor out the parts that are administrative either into a
> service or into a COM Moniker so that the rest of the app can run without
> elevation.
> 3. Return the software/hardware as flawed and demand a full refund as it
> does not work properly with the operating system it is allegedly created
> for.
> 4. Configure UAC for silent elevation. Note that this means you will no
> longer be prompted for any application that wants to elevate, including
> any
> malicious apps
> 5. Turn off UAC altogether - a.k.a. give up. This will disable much of the
> security on your computer and make it behave like Windows XP.
>
> I highly dislike option 5. If people do that, developers, like the one's
> at
> Samsung who obviously do not get and and do not give a rat's behind about
> their customer's security, will continue to get away with writing crappy
> code.
>
> I don't like option 4 a whole lot better. UAC does not provide a secure
> process boundary, but I still like knowing when apps elevate and if we set
> the system for silent elevation we will not have enough motive to
> encourage
> developers to write good software.
>
> I would highly recommend to you start out with 2. If that does not work,
> then go to 3, and please report back what Samsung had to say about 2. One
> of
> us will surely start working on a "Misuse of UAC Hall of Shame" and be
> happy
> to post this app there as the first entry.

Richard, this one is supposed to be for Vista 32-bit specifically...see this
page: http://www.samsung.com/Products/Moni...ictune_05s.htm

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD

"Richard Urban" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> When Samsung releases a Vista version of the software the problem will go
> away. MagicTune is for Windows XP
>
> I also can't use it. Then again, I didn't use it under XP either.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban MVP
> Microsoft Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "Peter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:72ABC6DB-C6C0-480A-A2F6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every boot
>> UAC prompts rather late in the booting sequence for this program...allow
>> ot not.
>>
>> --
>> Peter
>> Toronto, Canada
>> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
>> P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD
>>
>

I know. I tried it.

When Avast antivirus released their first version that was Vista
"compatible", it wasn't. Every time you booted the computer you had to give
part of the program elevated privileges. They fixed this with a subsequent
release and now the program truly is designed for Vista, Vista compatible or
whatever the term for a program that operates correctly.

There is a big difference with just working with Vista and designed for
Vista. Magic Tune isn't designed for Vista - yet.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban MVP
Microsoft Windows Shell/User


"Peter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:079CF226-71DA-409A-9108-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Richard, this one is supposed to be for Vista 32-bit specifically...see
> this page:
> http://www.samsung.com/Products/Moni...ictune_05s.htm
>
> --
> Peter
> Toronto, Canada
> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
> P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD
>
> "Richard Urban" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> When Samsung releases a Vista version of the software the problem will go
>> away. MagicTune is for Windows XP
>>
>> I also can't use it. Then again, I didn't use it under XP either.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban MVP
>> Microsoft Windows Shell/User
>>
>>
>> "Peter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:72ABC6DB-C6C0-480A-A2F6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> It's Samsung's Magictune Premium and I installed it as Admin. Every
>>> boot UAC prompts rather late in the booting sequence for this
>>> program...allow ot not.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter
>>> Toronto, Canada
>>> XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
>>> P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD
>>>
>>
>