Whether you physically signed your signature, or clicked the "agree"
button when you downloaded the file, it means the same - you agree to
the terms in which MS put on you downloading the file. Again the EULA
was agreed upon when you installed the software. Two different
things - Two different agreements.
--
Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service
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"Josh Einstein" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I am simply letting you know that I am not just some guy off the
street that
> downloaded SP2 and thinks I'm a beta tester. I'm an actual beta
tester. And
> I signed no NDA. Where's this "evidence" you speak of? You've quoted
nothing
> that states I am not allowed to discuss SP2 builds.
>
> Your comments are duly noted. But you're not a moderator so don't
tell me
> what I can and cannot talk about and the MVP's can stop making
blanket
> statements that imply that you control or moderate the groups.
>
> > "How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
> > An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
>
> It's not an insult, it's how I see your contribution (or
lackthereof) to the
> group. If you've nothing left to contribute to the thread, then stop
> posting.
>
> --
> Josh Einstein
> Einstein Technologies
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
> http://www.einsteinware.com
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Josh;
> > Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you
agreed
> > when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
> > This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
> > There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
> > forgotten.
> > You are still bound by it.
> > The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
> > You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your
agreements.
> >
> > You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
> > evidence what they say is true.
> > You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after
you
> > originally brought them up.
> > You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the
Technical
> > Preview, major mistake on your part.
> >
> > I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has
any
> > connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
> > I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta
testers.
> > Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they
now
> > such bragging is not relevant.
> >
> > "How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
> > An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
> > We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it
is
> > not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
> > You need to seek the facts.
> >
> > To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
> > with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
> > your responsibilities.
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >
> >
> > "Josh Einstein" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the
> > earliest
> >> beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm
a
> > cool
> >> beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service
pack
> > when in
> >> fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first
> > available.
> >> I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much
> > consider myself
> >> a beta tester.
> >>
> >> You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I
> > didn't sign
> >> anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I
agreed
> > to don't
> >> prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am
not
> > publicly
> >> divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are
> > none.
> >>
> >> How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Josh Einstein
> >> Einstein Technologies
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook!
Only
> > $19.99!
> >> http://www.einsteinware.com
> >>
> >> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message
> >> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > Josh;
> >> > "I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want
to
> > call
> >> > it"
> >> > Which is it?
> >> > They are two different programs with two different purposes.
> >> > If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
> >> > The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP
2.
> >> > That does not make you a Beta tester.
> >> > You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but
that
> >> > would be strictly internal to you.
> >> > To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous
when
> >> > they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
> >> > Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems
> > you
> >> > are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly
> > know
> >> > and distinguish the difference.
> >> >
> >> > To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
> >> > Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> >> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Josh Einstein" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> 1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
> >> > discussed
> >> >> including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for
> > months.
> >> >>
> >> >> 2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different
things
> >> > entirely.
> >> >> NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can
> > happen
> >> > with a
> >> >> EULA is your software license is terminated.
> >> >>
> >> >> 3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
> >> > features. Since
> >> >> SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at
liberty
> > to
> >> > talk
> >> >> about any version.
> >> >>
> >> >> 4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply
said
> > I'm
> >> > not
> >> >> prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the
> > beta,
> >> > technical
> >> >> preview whatever you want to call it since it was first
available
> > to
> >> > those
> >> >> outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Josh Einstein
> >> >> Einstein Technologies
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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