I've been using Opera 6.04 for a while since reading about it in
this newsgroup, and like it a lot.

However, I find too many web sites do not display properly, no
doubt because they are specifically disigned for IE.

For example, today I tried to look up a phone number in England
and Opera would not display British Telecom directory enquiry
page http://www.bt.com/directory-enquiries/

I'm wondering if I would have better luck downloading and using
Mozilla, which seems to be very popular, but am reluctant to
learn another piece of software if it will not provide any clear
advantages.

I would be grateful for comment from anyone who has used both, or
from those who use Mozilla - do you often find that web pages
will not display properly, or at all, using Mozilla?

Thanks for any help

Cheers, John S

(E-Mail Removed) (John S.) wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> I've been using Opera 6.04 for a while since reading about it in
> this newsgroup, and like it a lot.
>
> However, I find too many web sites do not display properly, no
> doubt because they are specifically disigned for IE.
>
> For example, today I tried to look up a phone number in England
> and Opera would not display British Telecom directory enquiry
> page http://www.bt.com/directory-enquiries/
>
> I'm wondering if I would have better luck downloading and using
> Mozilla, which seems to be very popular, but am reluctant to
> learn another piece of software if it will not provide any clear
> advantages.
>
> I would be grateful for comment from anyone who has used both, or
> from those who use Mozilla - do you often find that web pages
> will not display properly, or at all, using Mozilla?
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Cheers, John S
>
>
>
>

I found Mozilla to have numerous issues with loading web pages properly. Of
course, the Mozilla enthusiasts insist that it's the fault of badly
designed web pages. That may be true, but since the badly designed pages
are here to stay, we need a browser that can handle them.

I found Firebird to be better at rendering pages than Mozilla. You might
try it. It's also far easier to use than Opera. Once you get used to it,
you won't go back.

If you want a full browser/mail/news client, Netscape 7.1 works fine and
renders pages beautifully. There is little difference between
Netscape/Firebird/Mozilla as far as the interface, since they are all based
on the Gecko engine. In other words, once you get used to Gecko, all of
them seem familiar.

Firebird is nice because there are many extensions and themes available.

Hello donutbandit,

Friday, January 16, 2004, 6:07:12 PM, you wrote:

d> I found Firebird to be better at rendering pages than Mozilla. You
d> might try it.

Last I knew it used the Gecko engine and was based on the /Mozilla/ trunk.

d> It's also far easier to use than Opera. Once you get used to it, you
d> won't go back.

Agreed. I'm a former Opera user, become quite sick of shelling out money
year after year to use the browser. And now that Firebird has really
stabilized, I use it faithfully.

d> If you want a full browser/mail/news client, Netscape 7.1 works fine
d> and renders pages beautifully.

Or a recent version of the Mozilla Application suite--which is, in effect,
an updated version of Netscape 7.x -- Netscape was based entirely on
Mozilla.

d> There is little difference between Netscape/Firebird/Mozilla as far as
d> the interface, since they are all based on the Gecko engine. In other
d> words, once you get used to Gecko, all of them seem familiar.

Yep. Firebird has some nice features, like popup blocking, smaller
download size, etc. . . so it's a matter of what you want/need.

d> Firebird is nice because there are many extensions and themes
d> available.

Infinitely expandable, infinitely customizable. Open Source, free, active
in development and standards compliant.

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(E-Mail Removed) (John S.) wrote in news:4008657a.2618172
@news.paradise.net.nz:

> I've been using Opera 6.04 for a while since reading about it in
> this newsgroup, and like it a lot.
>
> However, I find too many web sites do not display properly, no
> doubt because they are specifically disigned for IE.
>
> For example, today I tried to look up a phone number in England
> and Opera would not display British Telecom directory enquiry
> page http://www.bt.com/directory-enquiries/
>
> I'm wondering if I would have better luck downloading and using
> Mozilla, which seems to be very popular, but am reluctant to
> learn another piece of software if it will not provide any clear
> advantages.
>
> I would be grateful for comment from anyone who has used both, or
> from those who use Mozilla - do you often find that web pages
> will not display properly, or at all, using Mozilla?
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Cheers, John S
>
>
>

Have you tried Opera v7.23 ?

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:37:38 GMT, (E-Mail Removed) (John S.) wrote:

I am a long time Opera user.

I downloaded & tried Mozilla & Firebird last week-end and
now am using Opera 7.23 on Win2kPro & Xandros Linux.

Opera is slipping but still better than the others IMHO
Am yet to find a better Bookmark system than Netscape 3 used.

Cheers,

I'm using Opera 7.22 with Sun Java Runtime Environment version 1.3 and
the page displays just fine. I believe the later Opera versions made
improvements. At least I've had fewer problems with page displays
since I upgraded from version 6.

Do you have cookies disabled? Some sites won't display properly
without them.

I tried Mozilla a long time ago but never got it to work properly.
Opera certainly hasn't been problem-free, but it's the best I've found
so far.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:37:38 GMT, (E-Mail Removed) (John S.) wrote:

:: I've been using Opera 6.04 for a while since reading about it in
:: this newsgroup, and like it a lot.
::
:: However, I find too many web sites do not display properly, no
:: doubt because they are specifically disigned for IE.
::
:: For example, today I tried to look up a phone number in England
:: and Opera would not display British Telecom directory enquiry
:: page http://www.bt.com/directory-enquiries/
::
:: I'm wondering if I would have better luck downloading and using
:: Mozilla, which seems to be very popular, but am reluctant to
:: learn another piece of software if it will not provide any clear
:: advantages.
::
:: I would be grateful for comment from anyone who has used both, or
:: from those who use Mozilla - do you often find that web pages
:: will not display properly, or at all, using Mozilla?
::
:: Thanks for any help
::
:: Cheers, John S
::
::

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 22:37:38 GMT, (E-Mail Removed) (John S.) wrote:

>For example, today I tried to look up a phone number in England
>and Opera would not display British Telecom directory enquiry
>page http://www.bt.com/directory-enquiries/

You're right - V7.11 won't display it. However another poster said
7.23 will. I haven't installed that version yet, although I have it.
Guess I need to get to it.

>I'm wondering if I would have better luck downloading and using
>Mozilla, which seems to be very popular, but am reluctant to
>learn another piece of software if it will not provide any clear
>advantages.

Mozilla has no advantages in features over Opera (other than the fact
that there's no ads, of course, which makes Opera off-topic here as it
is adware). It's not faster, not much better at displaying pages -
since the problems are mostly with IE-oriented sites and being
standards-oriented doesn't help there.

I actually don't have hardly any experience with Mozilla, just some
with K-Meleon (another Gecko-based browser). I'm going by what I've
read about it. Mainly the problem with Mozilla is it is still under
heavy development and their buglist is long. Opera is relatively
mature (even though they did a major code upgrade for either 6 or 7, I
forget which.)


--
Richard Steven Hack
"Whatever does not kill me makes me stronger" -
and YOU have not killed me!

(E-Mail Removed) (John S.) wrote :

> I'm wondering if I would have better luck downloading and using
> Mozilla, which seems to be very popular, but am reluctant to
> learn another piece of software if it will not provide any clear
> advantages.

Mozilla is opensource whereas Opera is not.
Mozilla is freeware whereas the free version of Opera is adware.

--
Antoine

donutbandit <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> (E-Mail Removed) (John S.) wrote:
<snip>
>> I'm wondering if I would have better luck downloading and using
>> Mozilla, which seems to be very popular, but am reluctant to
>> learn another piece of software if it will not provide any clear
>> advantages.

A browser isn't a piece of software that requires much training, IMHO.

>> I would be grateful for comment from anyone who has used both, or
>> from those who use Mozilla - do you often find that web pages
>> will not display properly, or at all, using Mozilla?

FYI, I never really used Opera. Mozilla does the job perfectly for me,
but then again, maybe my interests are such that they don't lead me to
IE-only webpages very often.
The British Telecom page loads perfectly on my Mozilla 1.6.

> I found Firebird to be better at rendering pages than Mozilla. You
> might try it. It's also far easier to use than Opera. Once you get
> used to it, you won't go back.

Well, since Firebird uses the same rendering engine as Mozilla (Gecko),
this would be rather surprising. Maybe you're comparing an older Mozilla
version with a newer Firebird.

> If you want a full browser/mail/news client, Netscape 7.1 works fine
> and renders pages beautifully. There is little difference between
> Netscape/Firebird/Mozilla as far as the interface, since they are all
> based on the Gecko engine. In other words, once you get used to Gecko,
> all of them seem familiar.

Gecko is the HTML rendering engine, and has little to do with the actual
GUI interface...
By the way, Netscape 7.1 is largely based on Mozilla 1.4, and certainly
uses the same rendering engine. Another thing is that Netscape is dead,
and Mozilla is being developed more actively than ever before.

Just my 2 cents,
Wald

John S. wrote:

> I've been using Opera 6.04 for a while since reading about it in
> this newsgroup, and like it a lot.
> However, I find too many web sites do not display properly, no
> doubt because they are specifically disigned for IE.
> For example, today I tried to look up a phone number in England
> and Opera would not display British Telecom directory enquiry
> page http://www.bt.com/directory-enquiries/
>
> I'm wondering if I would have better luck downloading and using
> Mozilla, which seems to be very popular, but am reluctant to
> learn another piece of software if it will not provide any clear
> advantages.

Hmmm. That site worked perfectly for me. Using Mozilla 1.6 final with
proxies (WebWasher and a "no longer freeware" cookie filter program) I
was able to look up the phone number and address of one of this
group's most well known British trolls in about 5 seconds.

> I would be grateful for comment from anyone who has used both, or
> from those who use Mozilla - do you often find that web pages
> will not display properly, or at all, using Mozilla?

I think you'd be real happy with the new Mozilla. Also check out the
extensions page (which loads real slowly) here:

http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/

It has loads of addons that greatly enhance Mozilla.

--
Regards from John Corliss
No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware,
nagware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses
or warez please.