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Something really stupid and annoying happened, which I share with you so you learn from it as well and don't fall into the same trap with antec 1200 mounting system: So a few days or weeks ago I started mounting my new harddisks... and I also started fixing my DreamPC which died. At the start I saw this screw bag with very long screws in it... and I thought "nope can't use those, so I forgot about it". I was thinking "I need those typically small little screws for the HD's". But then I discovered the Antec 1200 actually needs those long screws. But I totally did not "link" the "big deep holes" with "the screw bag". So I was totally under the impression that I didn't have any extra screws... So I instead I descrewed 2 of 4 screws of each harddisk and uses 2 of those for the new harddisk. End result is now that 4 harddisks are each attached with just 2 screws which I wonder if that's safe/better or not safe/worse. So I've been spending a lot of time fixing my pc, documenting things, sticky-taping some cables and ONLY AT THE VERY END do I RE-DISCOVER THE BAG ! LOL... And then SUDDENLY I REALIZE THOSE ARE THE GODDAMN FOKKING SCREWS ! THAT I COULD HAVE USED ! OH MY GOD... I WAS SO FOKKING TIRED I WAS LIKE FOK... I'LL DO THAT TOMORROW... I think it's safer to put 4 screws into each harddisk and the bag has PLENTY of screws for that it seems...I am not 100% sure it are the correct screws but what else could it be ?!  So I am 99.9% sure those screws belong tothe antec case. However there is no label on the goddamn bag ! So I put my OWN LABEL on it ! So lesson learned for ANTEC and ADVICE TO ANTEC: *** !!! LABEL THE GODDAMN BAG IF YOU USE SPECIAL SCREWS !!! *** I now labelled it as follows: "ANTEC 1200 HD SCREW BAG !" So that in the future I immediatly know what those screws are for since they are pretty weird ! =DSo tomorrow I am going to detach my fricking computer one more time... Hopefully I don't break anything at the very last moment... and fokking screw in the missing screws so that hopefully my PC can last another few years ! =D Or maybe even forever !So one more day of fokking with it is probably ok for long term ! But gjezus fokking christ does this cost energy ! I even told my mother about the missing screws and she gave me her screw bag which didn't really have those screws but it was nice of her anyway ! LOL. I am gonna tell her this story ! (later on...) and she will probably also go: "gjezus fokking christ ! LOL". FOK such a stupid story ! It's so fokking annoying ! LOL. Yes go ahead... laugh your ass off ! =D Be nasty !It's not like you GOD or anything and you don't ever make mistakes or don't understand something GJEZUS FOKKING CHRIST ! =DWell I guess I should be glad I finally found the fokking screw bag and ACTUALLY REALIZED what's it for ! GJEZUS ! =DI do hope ANTEC TAKES BIG NOTES and fricking labels the (screw) bags next time ! =D(I also had another general screw bag in my motherboard box where I keep all kinds of screws) (The antec bag also had some general screws but also the special long screws) (Anyway way to go antec for delivering screws with the case thank god for that ! Since these screws probably hard to find (never tried though,thank god for that... otherwise I would have wasted even more energy and time LOL, almost sad really ! LOL <- yes let's laugh to make it less bad/stupid/sad ! LOL ! )(Pfewwwieee... anyway, my website about this new build gonna be great I hope with lot's of usefull information and tips... there are plenty... perhaps more tips for me... but also so tips for you guys... or especially those that have same camera or same case or same stock cooler... It gonna take some time to make it... first I must work more on my DreamPC and set things up like HD screws and much more software ! So still gonna take a few days at least !) (Yup that's the price for installing a new windows os... lot's of stuff to do ! )KEEP THE HOPE ALIVE ! THE SITE AND THE INFO WILL COME SOON ! I HOPE LOL ! BUT I MAKE NO PROMISES BUT I WILL TRY ! (I NEED FRONTPAGE FOR WINDOWS 7 otherwise it gonna be even more difficult to switch to XP but I will try that too ! )Bye, Skybuck. OK REALLY BYE NOW ! =D |
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"Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:iroe3i$240$(E-Mail Removed)... > > "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:e82b5$4ddfb56d$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >> >> "Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:irob69$d7f$(E-Mail Removed)... >>> >>> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>> news:a0ebf$4ddf9189$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Something really stupid and annoying happened, which I share with you >>>> so you learn from it as well and don't fall into the same trap with >>>> antec 1200 mounting system: >>>> >>>> So a few days or weeks ago I started mounting my new harddisks... and I >>>> also started fixing my DreamPC which died. >>>> >>>> At the start I saw this screw bag with very long screws in it... and I >>>> thought "nope can't use those, so I forgot about it". >>>> >>> Those "very long screws" are shouldered and mount the drives with >>> grommets on the drive bay. An Antec feature. Shock mounts the drives. >>> Intuitively obvious! Hardly a "trap"! >> >> Hmmm perhaps you know more about this... >> >> The bag also contains "red circles/rings/washer-like-thingies"... what >> are they for ? >> >> Perhaps to place on motherboard screw holes ?!? >> >> Bye, >> Skybuck. >> > Yes, they are insulating washers to be used between the case standoffs and > the motherboard. Rarely used. These aren't necessary for a case like antec 1200 and ASRock socket 939/modern motherboards correct ? Since motherboard has "holes" isolated ?!? So these red rings probably for special situations or perhaps they could offer extra protection ? Bye, Skybuck  |
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"Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:b8d21$4ddfc920$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... > > "Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:iroe3i$240$(E-Mail Removed)... >> >> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:e82b5$4ddfb56d$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >>> >>> "Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>> news:irob69$d7f$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>> >>>> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>> news:a0ebf$4ddf9189$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Something really stupid and annoying happened, which I share with you >>>>> so you learn from it as well and don't fall into the same trap with >>>>> antec 1200 mounting system: >>>>> >>>>> So a few days or weeks ago I started mounting my new harddisks... and >>>>> I also started fixing my DreamPC which died. >>>>> >>>>> At the start I saw this screw bag with very long screws in it... and I >>>>> thought "nope can't use those, so I forgot about it". >>>>> >>>> Those "very long screws" are shouldered and mount the drives with >>>> grommets on the drive bay. An Antec feature. Shock mounts the drives. >>>> Intuitively obvious! Hardly a "trap"! >>> >>> Hmmm perhaps you know more about this... >>> >>> The bag also contains "red circles/rings/washer-like-thingies"... what >>> are they for ? >>> >>> Perhaps to place on motherboard screw holes ?!? >>> >>> Bye, >>> Skybuck. >>> >> Yes, they are insulating washers to be used between the case standoffs >> and the motherboard. Rarely used. > > These aren't necessary for a case like antec 1200 and ASRock socket > 939/modern motherboards correct ? > > Since motherboard has "holes" isolated ?!? > > So these red rings probably for special situations or perhaps they could > offer extra protection ? > > Bye, > Skybuck > Some "low end" motherboards were known to have the screw hole grounding pads too close to other traces, which could cause shorts to ground. I haven't seen that problem in many years. In general, you want the stand offs to ground the "ground plane" to chassis ground. |
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"Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:iroji3$9sm$(E-Mail Removed)... > Skybuck Flying wrote: >> "Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:iroe3i$240$(E-Mail Removed)... >>> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>> news:e82b5$4ddfb56d$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>> "Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>> news:irob69$d7f$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>>> news:a0ebf$4ddf9189$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> Something really stupid and annoying happened, which I share with you >>>>>> so you learn from it as well and don't fall into the same trap with >>>>>> antec 1200 mounting system: >>>>>> >>>>>> So a few days or weeks ago I started mounting my new harddisks... and >>>>>> I also started fixing my DreamPC which died. >>>>>> >>>>>> At the start I saw this screw bag with very long screws in it... and >>>>>> I thought "nope can't use those, so I forgot about it". >>>>>> >>>>> Those "very long screws" are shouldered and mount the drives with >>>>> grommets on the drive bay. An Antec feature. Shock mounts the drives. >>>>> Intuitively obvious! Hardly a "trap"! >>>> Hmmm perhaps you know more about this... >>>> >>>> The bag also contains "red circles/rings/washer-like-thingies"... what >>>> are they for ? >>>> >>>> Perhaps to place on motherboard screw holes ?!? >>>> >>>> Bye, >>>> Skybuck. >>>> >>> Yes, they are insulating washers to be used between the case standoffs >>> and the motherboard. Rarely used. >> >> These aren't necessary for a case like antec 1200 and ASRock socket >> 939/modern motherboards correct ? >> >> Since motherboard has "holes" isolated ?!? >> >> So these red rings probably for special situations or perhaps they could >> offer extra protection ? >> >> Bye, >> Skybuck > > The motherboard is specifically designed, to touch the metal standoffs. > They > leave a grounding circle around each hole on the motherboard, to make > it possible for good electrical contact between the grounding circle > and the standoff. > > That should tell you, it is safe for the motherboard to touch the standoff > and is how the motherboard designer wanted it. > > If the motherboard designer wanted to "insulate" the motherboard, it's > possible to place a hole in the motherboard, with *no* electrical > contact on the top and bottom layer of the motherboard. They could > easily insulate it, if they wanted. Then, the head of the screw, and the > standoff underneath, would be touching (insulating) FR4 material. They > wanted to enhance ground contact between the motherboard and the chassis, > and that's why the metal rings around each hole are present. > > The motherboard is grounded to the chassis, in several ways. > > 1) Motherboard standoffs provide a ground path. > > 2) ATX power supply metal chassis is at ground potential, and > ATX power supply mounting screws (4) help make a connection > into the chassis metal. > > 3) Black ground wires on the main power supply cable, are at the same > potential as the chassis of the power supply. > > 4) I/O plate metal fingers, touch I/O stacks on the motherboard, > That applies ground to the I/O stack, to reduce EMI. > > The design is infused with ground, and it takes considerable effort > to entirely defeat all possible ground connections. A few "donuts" > won't stop it. Ok thanks Paul, pretty excellent answer. So applieing the red rings would actually worsen the situation in a way... and actually goes against what the designer wanted/intended. What seems to be an open/remaining question is what happens if the chasis is not really grounded ?! But instead is under power (very maybe the red rings could help here... but I doubt it since mb is grounded in different ways as you stated by the backplate) So as I receive more and more answers it's becoming apperent to me that the "voltage" that is on the chasis for non-grounded PC has now many ways to find itself into the PC itself/motherboard and I really wonder what effect that could have on the motherboard and it's electronics, especially in light of "frequent use of the reset switch" (a little bit of current every timeis still a lot of current in total over period of time <- wear/fatigue ?!? ! )So another undocumented feature of the antec case... perhaps antec should document that these red rings are only ment for really old motherboards, just to prevent anybody from actually using them when it's not apropriate ! (It's definetly not in the manual, I checked, also no word about the special long screws ! =D)Bye, Skybuck |
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> "Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news:iroji3$9sm$(E-Mail Removed)... >> Skybuck Flying wrote: >>> "Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>> news:iroe3i$240$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>> news:e82b5$4ddfb56d$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>> "Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>>> news:irob69$d7f$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>>> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>>>> news:a0ebf$4ddf9189$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Something really stupid and annoying happened, which I share with you >>>>>>> so you learn from it as well and don't fall into the same trap with >>>>>>> antec 1200 mounting system: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So a few days or weeks ago I started mounting my new harddisks... and >>>>>>> I also started fixing my DreamPC which died. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the start I saw this screw bag with very long screws in it... and >>>>>>> I thought "nope can't use those, so I forgot about it". >>>>>>> >>>>>> Those "very long screws" are shouldered and mount the drives with >>>>>> grommets on the drive bay. An Antec feature. Shock mounts the drives. >>>>>> Intuitively obvious! Hardly a "trap"! >>>>> Hmmm perhaps you know more about this... >>>>> >>>>> The bag also contains "red circles/rings/washer-like-thingies"... what >>>>> are they for ? >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps to place on motherboard screw holes ?!? >>>>> >>>>> Bye, >>>>> Skybuck. >>>>> >>>> Yes, they are insulating washers to be used between the case standoffs >>>> and the motherboard. Rarely used. >>> These aren't necessary for a case like antec 1200 and ASRock socket >>> 939/modern motherboards correct ? >>> >>> Since motherboard has "holes" isolated ?!? >>> >>> So these red rings probably for special situations or perhaps they could >>> offer extra protection ? >>> >>> Bye, >>> Skybuck >> The motherboard is specifically designed, to touch the metal standoffs. >> They >> leave a grounding circle around each hole on the motherboard, to make >> it possible for good electrical contact between the grounding circle >> and the standoff. >> >> That should tell you, it is safe for the motherboard to touch the standoff >> and is how the motherboard designer wanted it. >> >> If the motherboard designer wanted to "insulate" the motherboard, it's >> possible to place a hole in the motherboard, with *no* electrical >> contact on the top and bottom layer of the motherboard. They could >> easily insulate it, if they wanted. Then, the head of the screw, and the >> standoff underneath, would be touching (insulating) FR4 material. They >> wanted to enhance ground contact between the motherboard and the chassis, >> and that's why the metal rings around each hole are present. >> >> The motherboard is grounded to the chassis, in several ways. >> >> 1) Motherboard standoffs provide a ground path. >> >> 2) ATX power supply metal chassis is at ground potential, and >> ATX power supply mounting screws (4) help make a connection >> into the chassis metal. >> >> 3) Black ground wires on the main power supply cable, are at the same >> potential as the chassis of the power supply. >> >> 4) I/O plate metal fingers, touch I/O stacks on the motherboard, >> That applies ground to the I/O stack, to reduce EMI. >> >> The design is infused with ground, and it takes considerable effort >> to entirely defeat all possible ground connections. A few "donuts" >> won't stop it. > > Ok thanks Paul, pretty excellent answer. > > So applieing the red rings would actually worsen the situation in a way... > and actually goes against what the designer wanted/intended. > > What seems to be an open/remaining question is what happens if the chasis is > not really grounded ?! But instead is under power (very maybe the red rings > could help here... but I doubt it since mb is grounded in different ways as > you stated by the backplate) > > So as I receive more and more answers it's becoming apperent to me that the > "voltage" that is on the chasis for non-grounded PC has now many ways to > find itself into the PC itself/motherboard and I really wonder what effect > that could have on the motherboard and it's electronics, especially in light > of "frequent use of the reset switch" (a little bit of current every time> is still a lot of current in total over period of time <- wear/fatigue ?!? > ! )> > So another undocumented feature of the antec case... perhaps antec should > document that these red rings are only ment for really old motherboards, > just to prevent anybody from actually using them when it's not apropriate ! > > (It's definetly not in the manual, I checked, also no word about the special > long screws ! =D)> > Bye, > Skybuck As far as I'm concerned, the only significant issue if the computer ground is missing, is the possibility of feeling an electric shock when touching the computer chassis and touching an electrical ground at the same time. The shock comes from the 1-2 milliamps of leakage current from the front end filter in the ATX supply. You should talk to an electrician, and see what provisions there are in your country, for retrofitting a proper safety ground. Even if only one outlet in your room had the safety ground, you could plug a power strip in there, and power your computers from it. Paul |
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"Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:irpnbk$8e9$(E-Mail Removed)... > Skybuck Flying wrote: >> "Paul" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:iroji3$9sm$(E-Mail Removed)... >>> Skybuck Flying wrote: >>>> "Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>> news:iroe3i$240$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>>> news:e82b5$4ddfb56d$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>>> "Chris S." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>>>> news:irob69$d7f$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>>>> "Skybuck Flying" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:a0ebf$4ddf9189$54192c06$(E-Mail Removed)... >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Something really stupid and annoying happened, which I share with >>>>>>>> you so you learn from it as well and don't fall into the same trap >>>>>>>> with antec 1200 mounting system: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So a few days or weeks ago I started mounting my new harddisks... >>>>>>>> and I also started fixing my DreamPC which died. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the start I saw this screw bag with very long screws in it... >>>>>>>> and I thought "nope can't use those, so I forgot about it". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Those "very long screws" are shouldered and mount the drives with >>>>>>> grommets on the drive bay. An Antec feature. Shock mounts the >>>>>>> drives. >>>>>>> Intuitively obvious! Hardly a "trap"! >>>>>> Hmmm perhaps you know more about this... >>>>>> >>>>>> The bag also contains "red circles/rings/washer-like-thingies"... >>>>>> what are they for ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps to place on motherboard screw holes ?!? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bye, >>>>>> Skybuck. >>>>>> >>>>> Yes, they are insulating washers to be used between the case standoffs >>>>> and the motherboard. Rarely used. >>>> These aren't necessary for a case like antec 1200 and ASRock socket >>>> 939/modern motherboards correct ? >>>> >>>> Since motherboard has "holes" isolated ?!? >>>> >>>> So these red rings probably for special situations or perhaps they >>>> could offer extra protection ? >>>> >>>> Bye, >>>> Skybuck >>> The motherboard is specifically designed, to touch the metal standoffs. >>> They >>> leave a grounding circle around each hole on the motherboard, to make >>> it possible for good electrical contact between the grounding circle >>> and the standoff. >>> >>> That should tell you, it is safe for the motherboard to touch the >>> standoff >>> and is how the motherboard designer wanted it. >>> >>> If the motherboard designer wanted to "insulate" the motherboard, it's >>> possible to place a hole in the motherboard, with *no* electrical >>> contact on the top and bottom layer of the motherboard. They could >>> easily insulate it, if they wanted. Then, the head of the screw, and the >>> standoff underneath, would be touching (insulating) FR4 material. They >>> wanted to enhance ground contact between the motherboard and the >>> chassis, >>> and that's why the metal rings around each hole are present. >>> >>> The motherboard is grounded to the chassis, in several ways. >>> >>> 1) Motherboard standoffs provide a ground path. >>> >>> 2) ATX power supply metal chassis is at ground potential, and >>> ATX power supply mounting screws (4) help make a connection >>> into the chassis metal. >>> >>> 3) Black ground wires on the main power supply cable, are at the same >>> potential as the chassis of the power supply. >>> >>> 4) I/O plate metal fingers, touch I/O stacks on the motherboard, >>> That applies ground to the I/O stack, to reduce EMI. >>> >>> The design is infused with ground, and it takes considerable effort >>> to entirely defeat all possible ground connections. A few "donuts" >>> won't stop it. >> >> Ok thanks Paul, pretty excellent answer. >> >> So applieing the red rings would actually worsen the situation in a >> way... and actually goes against what the designer wanted/intended. >> >> What seems to be an open/remaining question is what happens if the chasis >> is not really grounded ?! But instead is under power (very maybe the red >> rings could help here... but I doubt it since mb is grounded in different >> ways as you stated by the backplate) >> >> So as I receive more and more answers it's becoming apperent to me that >> the "voltage" that is on the chasis for non-grounded PC has now many ways >> to find itself into the PC itself/motherboard and I really wonder what >> effect that could have on the motherboard and it's electronics, >> especially in light of "frequent use of the reset switch" (a little>> bit of current every time is still a lot of current in total over period >> of time <- wear/fatigue ?!? ! )>> >> So another undocumented feature of the antec case... perhaps antec should >> document that these red rings are only ment for really old motherboards, >> just to prevent anybody from actually using them when it's not apropriate >> ! >> (It's definetly not in the manual, I checked, also no word about the >> special long screws ! =D)>> >> Bye, >> Skybuck > > As far as I'm concerned, the only significant issue if the computer ground > is > missing, is the possibility of feeling an electric shock when touching the > computer chassis and touching an electrical ground at the same time. The > shock > comes from the 1-2 milliamps of leakage current from the front end filter > in the ATX supply. Wow such a low ammount of milliamps can create a shock huh ? Hmmm, me better make sure to get rid of those ! I'm still not completely statisfied though. So time to write a post to mythbusters , maybe they will investigate Let the record show that I posted it =D:"Killing a PC's motherboard by pressing the reset button repeatedly" http://community.discovery.com/eve/f.../m/29419576801 > You should talk to an electrician, and see what provisions there are in > your country, for retrofitting a proper safety ground. Even if only one > outlet in your room had the safety ground, you could plug a power strip in > there, and power your computers from it. I will do so as soon as possible. Bye, Skybuck. |
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