Can someone help me (2) annoying pop ups from:
count.exitexchange.com and z1.adserver.com

For some reason unknown I get these (2) appearing on my desktop even when
I'm not surfing the web. I have Norten running and added both ads to block
but they keep slipping by. Also, I tried to clean them out with Spy Sweeper
but that don't seem to help either!! It's to the point where I feel I need
to reformat and start all over....HELP!!!

To find out what they are, search for both in Google.
To clean them out, install both AdAware & Spybot (they are a must to have -
regularly run those progs.)
To find out what THEY are, search for both in Google.
Sigh.


--
johnf

> Can someone help me (2) annoying pop ups from:
> count.exitexchange.com and z1.adserver.com
>
> For some reason unknown I get these (2) appearing on my desktop even
> when I'm not surfing the web. I have Norten running and added both
> ads to block but they keep slipping by. Also, I tried to clean them
> out with Spy Sweeper but that don't seem to help either!! It's to the
> point where I feel I need to reformat and start all over....HELP!!!

dirtydog wrote:
> Can someone help me (2) annoying pop ups from:
> count.exitexchange.com and z1.adserver.com
>
> For some reason unknown I get these (2) appearing on my desktop even
> when I'm not surfing the web. I have Norton running and added both
> ads to block but they keep slipping by. Also, I tried to clean them
> out with Spy Sweeper but that don't seem to help either!! It's to
> the point where I feel I need to reformat and start all
> over....HELP!!!

If you do these things (some periodically) then I truly believe (because I
see it every day from others I have suggested it to) that you can keep
your machine spyware/adware/malware/virus/trojan free and running
much better than it likely does by the time you ask this question on a
newsgroup like this one. (I won't mention "popup free", because you
WILL hit a web page where a popup is truly necessary and needed by
you. But I will say "less popups guaranteed. No Messenger Popups for
sure.")

So, that being said, here is the list:

Turn on that firewall...
http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/h...omenet/icf.asp
(It has been reported that it now works with AOL 9.0+)


Make sure you have all the updates (critical) installed from:
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
(Scan for updates, Review and Install)


Get rid of the spy/ad/mal-ware..
(Yes - using MORE than one of these..
I recommend at least the first three. Also..
UPDATE the definitions for them before using.)

Spybot Search and Destroy
http://www.safer-networking.net/

Lavasoft AdAware
http://www.lavasoft.de

CWSShredder
http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html

Hijack This!
http://mjc1.com/mirror/hjt/

I also like "The Cleaner" and "SpywareBlaster" and "SpywareGuard".
- http://www.moosoft.com/
- http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/

The first is a PAY product, but useable for 30 days - it has found and
eliminated problems in the past the others did not. The latter two are
prevention mechanisms. I like SpywareGuard for those with enough processor
to have something running like antivirus software - and it prevents browser
hijacking quite well.

And Assortment of Others:
http://www.merijn.org/downloads.html


After you cleanup your PC somewhat of spy/ad/mal-ware, verify your antivirus
software is updated and run a full scan of your computer. If you have no
antivirus software - get one NOW! Grisoft AntiVirus:
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php


Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to about
80 to 120MB (seems to be an optimal size for the normal user)

- Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
- Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
- Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section,
do the following:
- Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
- Click on "Settings" and change the
"Amount of disk space to use:" to something between 80MB
and 120MB. (Betting it is MUCH larger right now.)
- Click OK.
- Click on "Delete Files" and select to
"Delete all offline contents" (the checkbox) and click
OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10 minutes or
more.)
- Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer
- Re-open Internet Explorer.


Uninstall any software you do not use often/ever. (If you have something
installed but never use it, uninstall it.) If you go through Control
Panel -> Add/Remove Programs and see things you seldom if ever use, it is to
your advantage to remove it.


Also, if you are tired of Web Page Pop-Ups/Unders.. You could try the
Google Toolbar.
http://toolbar.google.com/


Stop loading applications at logon.. run MSCONFIG and look under the startup
tab for things you DON'T want to startup! Search the Internet with Google
to discover what things are safe to remove and what things may even be
malware infecting your computer.


Better control your email and lessen the amount of time you spend dealing
with SPAM:
SpamBayes
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net
or
Spamihilator.
http://www.spamihilator.com

--
<- Shenan ->
--

"Shenan Stanley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> dirtydog wrote:
> > Can someone help me (2) annoying pop ups from:
> > count.exitexchange.com and z1.adserver.com
> >
> > For some reason unknown I get these (2) appearing on my desktop even
> > when I'm not surfing the web. I have Norton running and added both
> > ads to block but they keep slipping by. Also, I tried to clean them
> > out with Spy Sweeper but that don't seem to help either!! It's to
> > the point where I feel I need to reformat and start all
> > over....HELP!!!
>
> If you do these things (some periodically) then I truly believe (because I
> see it every day from others I have suggested it to) that you can keep
> your machine spyware/adware/malware/virus/trojan free and running
> much better than it likely does by the time you ask this question on a
> newsgroup like this one. (I won't mention "popup free", because you
> WILL hit a web page where a popup is truly necessary and needed by
> you. But I will say "less popups guaranteed. No Messenger Popups for
> sure.")
>
> So, that being said, here is the list:
>
> Turn on that firewall...
> http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/h...omenet/icf.asp
> (It has been reported that it now works with AOL 9.0+)
>
>
> Make sure you have all the updates (critical) installed from:
> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
> (Scan for updates, Review and Install)
>
>
> Get rid of the spy/ad/mal-ware..
> (Yes - using MORE than one of these..
> I recommend at least the first three. Also..
> UPDATE the definitions for them before using.)
>
> Spybot Search and Destroy
> http://www.safer-networking.net/
>
> Lavasoft AdAware
> http://www.lavasoft.de
>
> CWSShredder
> http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
>
> Hijack This!
> http://mjc1.com/mirror/hjt/
>
> I also like "The Cleaner" and "SpywareBlaster" and "SpywareGuard".
> - http://www.moosoft.com/
> - http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/
>
> The first is a PAY product, but useable for 30 days - it has found and
> eliminated problems in the past the others did not. The latter two are
> prevention mechanisms. I like SpywareGuard for those with enough
processor
> to have something running like antivirus software - and it prevents
browser
> hijacking quite well.
>
> And Assortment of Others:
> http://www.merijn.org/downloads.html
>
>
> After you cleanup your PC somewhat of spy/ad/mal-ware, verify your
antivirus
> software is updated and run a full scan of your computer. If you have no
> antivirus software - get one NOW! Grisoft AntiVirus:
> http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
>
>
> Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to about
> 80 to 120MB (seems to be an optimal size for the normal user)
>
> - Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
> - Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
> - Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section,
> do the following:
> - Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
> - Click on "Settings" and change the
> "Amount of disk space to use:" to something between 80MB
> and 120MB. (Betting it is MUCH larger right now.)
> - Click OK.
> - Click on "Delete Files" and select to
> "Delete all offline contents" (the checkbox) and click
> OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10 minutes or
> more.)
> - Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer
> - Re-open Internet Explorer.
>
>
> Uninstall any software you do not use often/ever. (If you have something
> installed but never use it, uninstall it.) If you go through Control
> Panel -> Add/Remove Programs and see things you seldom if ever use, it is
to
> your advantage to remove it.
>
>
> Also, if you are tired of Web Page Pop-Ups/Unders.. You could try the
> Google Toolbar.
> http://toolbar.google.com/
>
>
> Stop loading applications at logon.. run MSCONFIG and look under the
startup
> tab for things you DON'T want to startup! Search the Internet with Google
> to discover what things are safe to remove and what things may even be
> malware infecting your computer.
>
>
> Better control your email and lessen the amount of time you spend dealing
> with SPAM:
> SpamBayes
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net
> or
> Spamihilator.
> http://www.spamihilator.com
>
> --
> <- Shenan ->
> --
>
> ??????Gheeez...........I have the latest anti-virus (Norton) and running
Spy Sweep and all the latest patches, and the firewall and I disconnected
from the internet for a day cleaning and deleteding and when I reconnect the
little buggers keep coming back. I can handle them well surfing but to pop
up while doing an excel, word or visio is just getting just a little
annoying!! And it all started after I loaded Office 2003.......is anyone
elese having the same problem??

dirtydog wrote:
> Gheeez...........I have the latest anti-virus (Norton) and
> running
> Spy Sweep and all the latest patches, and the firewall and I
> disconnected from the internet for a day cleaning and deleting and
> when I reconnect the little buggers keep coming back. I can handle
> them well surfing but to pop up while doing an excel, word or visio
> is just getting just a little annoying!! And it all started after I
> loaded Office 2003.......is anyone else having the same problem??


Take my advice and run more than just your "SpySweep".. One product ain't
gonna cut it. Run the first three I listed for spyware, you'll be happier.

Otherwise, do a Google search for "remove XXXXXX" where "XXXXXX" is replaced
with the name of the popup. You'll likely find a direct way to remove it,
but I guarantee that if you follow all of the advice I gave, you'd get to
the same result with likely a cleaner machine and not get reinfected. =)

BTW - if you did post using your real email address, I will warn you to
expect some SPAM that looks official. It is not, never run attachments you
did not expect and Microsoft never TELLS you by email you need a patch!

--
<- Shenan ->
--

"dirtydog" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Shenan Stanley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> dirtydog wrote:
>> > Can someone help me (2) annoying pop ups from:
>> > count.exitexchange.com and z1.adserver.com
>> >
>> > For some reason unknown I get these (2) appearing on my desktop even
>> > when I'm not surfing the web. I have Norton running and added both
>> > ads to block but they keep slipping by. Also, I tried to clean them
>> > out with Spy Sweeper but that don't seem to help either!! It's to
>> > the point where I feel I need to reformat and start all
>> > over....HELP!!!
>>
>> If you do these things (some periodically) then I truly believe (because
>> I
>> see it every day from others I have suggested it to) that you can keep
>> your machine spyware/adware/malware/virus/trojan free and running
>> much better than it likely does by the time you ask this question on a
>> newsgroup like this one. (I won't mention "popup free", because you
>> WILL hit a web page where a popup is truly necessary and needed by
>> you. But I will say "less popups guaranteed. No Messenger Popups for
>> sure.")
>>
>> So, that being said, here is the list:
>>
>> Turn on that firewall...
>> http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/h...omenet/icf.asp
>> (It has been reported that it now works with AOL 9.0+)
>>
>>
>> Make sure you have all the updates (critical) installed from:
>> http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
>> (Scan for updates, Review and Install)
>>
>>
>> Get rid of the spy/ad/mal-ware..
>> (Yes - using MORE than one of these..
>> I recommend at least the first three. Also..
>> UPDATE the definitions for them before using.)
>>
>> Spybot Search and Destroy
>> http://www.safer-networking.net/
>>
>> Lavasoft AdAware
>> http://www.lavasoft.de
>>
>> CWSShredder
>> http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
>>
>> Hijack This!
>> http://mjc1.com/mirror/hjt/
>>
>> I also like "The Cleaner" and "SpywareBlaster" and "SpywareGuard".
>> - http://www.moosoft.com/
>> - http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/
>>
>> The first is a PAY product, but useable for 30 days - it has found and
>> eliminated problems in the past the others did not. The latter two are
>> prevention mechanisms. I like SpywareGuard for those with enough
> processor
>> to have something running like antivirus software - and it prevents
> browser
>> hijacking quite well.
>>
>> And Assortment of Others:
>> http://www.merijn.org/downloads.html
>>
>>
>> After you cleanup your PC somewhat of spy/ad/mal-ware, verify your
> antivirus
>> software is updated and run a full scan of your computer. If you have no
>> antivirus software - get one NOW! Grisoft AntiVirus:
>> http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
>>
>>
>> Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to
>> about
>> 80 to 120MB (seems to be an optimal size for the normal user)
>>
>> - Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
>> - Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
>> - Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section,
>> do the following:
>> - Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
>> - Click on "Settings" and change the
>> "Amount of disk space to use:" to something between 80MB
>> and 120MB. (Betting it is MUCH larger right now.)
>> - Click OK.
>> - Click on "Delete Files" and select to
>> "Delete all offline contents" (the checkbox) and click
>> OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10 minutes or
>> more.)
>> - Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer
>> - Re-open Internet Explorer.
>>
>>
>> Uninstall any software you do not use often/ever. (If you have something
>> installed but never use it, uninstall it.) If you go through Control
>> Panel -> Add/Remove Programs and see things you seldom if ever use, it is
> to
>> your advantage to remove it.
>>
>>
>> Also, if you are tired of Web Page Pop-Ups/Unders.. You could try the
>> Google Toolbar.
>> http://toolbar.google.com/
>>
>>
>> Stop loading applications at logon.. run MSCONFIG and look under the
> startup
>> tab for things you DON'T want to startup! Search the Internet with
>> Google
>> to discover what things are safe to remove and what things may even be
>> malware infecting your computer.
>>
>>
>> Better control your email and lessen the amount of time you spend dealing
>> with SPAM:
>> SpamBayes
>> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net
>> or
>> Spamihilator.
>> http://www.spamihilator.com
>>
>> --
>> <- Shenan ->
>> --
>>
>> ??????Gheeez...........I have the latest anti-virus (Norton) and running
> Spy Sweep and all the latest patches, and the firewall and I disconnected
> from the internet for a day cleaning and deleteding and when I reconnect
> the
> little buggers keep coming back. I can handle them well surfing but to
> pop
> up while doing an excel, word or visio is just getting just a little
> annoying!! And it all started after I loaded Office 2003.......is anyone
> elese having the same problem??

Yes other people have your problem and I fix them on a regular basis with up
to date versions AdAware, SpyBot, CWShredder and HiJackThis. And no the
problem isn't O2K3. I'm running it as we type.

I haven't used SpySweep so I can't comment on it's effectiveness, but if
you're still having problems after using just it, then I suggest you follow
Shenan's advice.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org

Get the Google toolbar!
It can be configured to stop pop ups.
I wouldn't be without it even if it couldn't! -)
http://toolbar.google.com/

--
¦ zulu ¦
Dell Dimension XPS-T700r, 512 MB RAM, XP Pro. SP1


"dirtydog" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Shenan Stanley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > dirtydog wrote:
> > > Can someone help me (2) annoying pop ups from:
> > > count.exitexchange.com and z1.adserver.com
> > >
> > > For some reason unknown I get these (2) appearing on my desktop even
> > > when I'm not surfing the web. I have Norton running and added both
> > > ads to block but they keep slipping by. Also, I tried to clean them
> > > out with Spy Sweeper but that don't seem to help either!! It's to
> > > the point where I feel I need to reformat and start all
> > > over....HELP!!!
> >
> > If you do these things (some periodically) then I truly believe (because
I
> > see it every day from others I have suggested it to) that you can keep
> > your machine spyware/adware/malware/virus/trojan free and running
> > much better than it likely does by the time you ask this question on a
> > newsgroup like this one. (I won't mention "popup free", because you
> > WILL hit a web page where a popup is truly necessary and needed by
> > you. But I will say "less popups guaranteed. No Messenger Popups for
> > sure.")
> >
> > So, that being said, here is the list:
> >
> > Turn on that firewall...
> > http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/h...omenet/icf.asp
> > (It has been reported that it now works with AOL 9.0+)
> >
> >
> > Make sure you have all the updates (critical) installed from:
> > http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/
> > (Scan for updates, Review and Install)
> >
> >
> > Get rid of the spy/ad/mal-ware..
> > (Yes - using MORE than one of these..
> > I recommend at least the first three. Also..
> > UPDATE the definitions for them before using.)
> >
> > Spybot Search and Destroy
> > http://www.safer-networking.net/
> >
> > Lavasoft AdAware
> > http://www.lavasoft.de
> >
> > CWSShredder
> > http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html
> >
> > Hijack This!
> > http://mjc1.com/mirror/hjt/
> >
> > I also like "The Cleaner" and "SpywareBlaster" and "SpywareGuard".
> > - http://www.moosoft.com/
> > - http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/
> >
> > The first is a PAY product, but useable for 30 days - it has found and
> > eliminated problems in the past the others did not. The latter two are
> > prevention mechanisms. I like SpywareGuard for those with enough
> processor
> > to have something running like antivirus software - and it prevents
> browser
> > hijacking quite well.
> >
> > And Assortment of Others:
> > http://www.merijn.org/downloads.html
> >
> >
> > After you cleanup your PC somewhat of spy/ad/mal-ware, verify your
> antivirus
> > software is updated and run a full scan of your computer. If you have
no
> > antivirus software - get one NOW! Grisoft AntiVirus:
> > http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php
> >
> >
> > Empty your Temporary Internet Files and shrink the size it stores to
about
> > 80 to 120MB (seems to be an optimal size for the normal user)
> >
> > - Open ONE copy of Internet Explorer.
> > - Select TOOLS -> Internet Options.
> > - Under the General tab in the "Temporary Internet Files" section,
> > do the following:
> > - Click on "Delete Cookies" (click OK)
> > - Click on "Settings" and change the
> > "Amount of disk space to use:" to something between 80MB
> > and 120MB. (Betting it is MUCH larger right now.)
> > - Click OK.
> > - Click on "Delete Files" and select to
> > "Delete all offline contents" (the checkbox) and click
> > OK. (If you had a LOT, this could take 2-10 minutes or
> > more.)
> > - Once it is done, click OK, close Internet Explorer
> > - Re-open Internet Explorer.
> >
> >
> > Uninstall any software you do not use often/ever. (If you have
something
> > installed but never use it, uninstall it.) If you go through Control
> > Panel -> Add/Remove Programs and see things you seldom if ever use, it
is
> to
> > your advantage to remove it.
> >
> >
> > Also, if you are tired of Web Page Pop-Ups/Unders.. You could try the
> > Google Toolbar.
> > http://toolbar.google.com/
> >
> >
> > Stop loading applications at logon.. run MSCONFIG and look under the
> startup
> > tab for things you DON'T want to startup! Search the Internet with
Google
> > to discover what things are safe to remove and what things may even be
> > malware infecting your computer.
> >
> >
> > Better control your email and lessen the amount of time you spend
dealing
> > with SPAM:
> > SpamBayes
> > http://spambayes.sourceforge.net
> > or
> > Spamihilator.
> > http://www.spamihilator.com
> >
> > --
> > <- Shenan ->
> > --
> >
> > ??????Gheeez...........I have the latest anti-virus (Norton) and running
> Spy Sweep and all the latest patches, and the firewall and I disconnected
> from the internet for a day cleaning and deleteding and when I reconnect
the
> little buggers keep coming back. I can handle them well surfing but to
pop
> up while doing an excel, word or visio is just getting just a little
> annoying!! And it all started after I loaded Office 2003.......is anyone
> elese having the same problem??
>
>

Greetings --

There are at least three varieties of pop-ups, and the solutions
vary accordingly. Which specific type(s) is troubling you?

1) Does the title bar of these pop-ups read "Messenger Service?"

This type of spam has become quite common over the past year or
so, and unintentionally serves as a valid security "alert." It
demonstrates that you haven't been taking sufficient precautions while
connected to the Internet. Your data probably hasn't been compromised
by these specific advertisements, but if you're open to this exploit,
you most definitely open to other threats, such as the Blaster Worm
that still haunts the Internet. Install and use a decent, properly
configured firewall. (Merely disabling the messenger service, as some
people recommend, only hides the symptom, and does little or nothing
to truly secure your machine.) And ignoring or just "putting up with"
the security gap represented by these messages is particularly
foolish.

Messenger Service of Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/default...B;en-us;168893

Messenger Service Window That Contains an Internet Advertisement
Appears
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=330904

Stopping Advertisements with Messenger Service Titles
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...e/stopspam.asp

Blocking Ads, Parasites, and Hijackers with a Hosts File
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

Whichever firewall you decide upon, be sure to ensure
UDP ports 135, 137, and 138 and TCP ports 135, 139, and 445 are _all_
blocked. You may also disable Inbound NetBIOS (NetBIOS over TCP/IP).
You'll have to follow the instructions from firewall's manufacturer
for the specific steps.

You can test your firewall at:

Symantec Security Check
http://security.symantec.com/ssc/vr_...BYNCJEIMXQKCDT

Security Scan - Sygate Online Services
http://www.sygatetech.com/

Oh, and be especially wary of people who advise you to do nothing
more than disable the messenger service. Disabling the messenger
service, by itself, is a "head in the sand" approach to computer
security. The real problem is _not_ the messenger service pop-ups;
they're actually providing a useful, if annoying, service by acting as
a security alert. The true problem is the unsecured computer, and
you've been advised to merely turn off the warnings. How is this
helpful?

2) For regular Internet pop-ups, you might try the free 12Ghosts
Popup-killer from http://12ghosts.com/ghosts/popup.htm, Pop-Up Stopper
from http://www.panicware.com/, or the Google Toolbar from
http://toolbar.google.com/, which is what I use.

3) To deal with pop-ups caused by any sort of "adware" and/or
"spyware,"such as Gator, Comet Cursors, Xupiter, Bonzai Buddy, or
KaZaA, and their remnants, that you've deliberately (but without
understanding the consequences) installed, two products that are
quite effective (at finding and removing this type of scumware) are
Ad-Aware from www.lavasoft.de and SpyBot Search & Destroy from
www.safer-networking.org/. Both have free versions. It's even
possible to use SpyBot Search & Destroy to "immunize" your system
against most future intrusions. I use both and generally perform
manual scans every week or so to clean out cookies, etc.


Bruce Chambers

--
Help us help you:
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having both at once. -- RAH


"dirtydog" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Can someone help me (2) annoying pop ups from:
> count.exitexchange.com and z1.adserver.com
>
> For some reason unknown I get these (2) appearing on my desktop even
> when
> I'm not surfing the web. I have Norten running and added both ads
> to block
> but they keep slipping by. Also, I tried to clean them out with Spy
> Sweeper
> but that don't seem to help either!! It's to the point where I feel
> I need
> to reformat and start all over....HELP!!!
>
>

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:16:59 -0700, "Bruce Chambers"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


> Oh, and be especially wary of people who advise you to do nothing
>more than disable the messenger service. Disabling the messenger
>service, by itself, is a "head in the sand" approach to computer
>security. The real problem is _not_ the messenger service pop-ups;
>they're actually providing a useful, if annoying, service by acting as
>a security alert. The true problem is the unsecured computer, and
>you've been advised to merely turn off the warnings. How is this
>helpful?
>

Don't forget that the Messenger Service would also provide a useful
service to hackers if it is not patched:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tre...n/ms03-043.asp

Setup a firewall first, but if you don't need the Messenger Service,
turn it off. If you need it, patch it. You would also be well
advised to spend $50 and buy a home router.

Be especially wary of people who would insist on having you keep the
Messenger Service on as a "helpful feature" and conveniently
forgetting to inform you that it has a very serious vulnerability that
needs to be patched immediately.

And of particular interest is that Microsoft itself and security
experts are seriously reconsidering the role of the Messenger service:

http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/...ngeroff_1.html

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...110703X,00.asp

http://news.com.com/2100-7355_3-5095935.html

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/interne...eut/index.html


Here's a link where Microsoft actually outright advises the user to
turn off the Messenger Service:

http://www.microsoft.com/WindowsXP/p...e/stopspam.asp


Those who would advise not to turn off the Messenger Service for the
less than trivial unintended side benefit of being a warning is
dispensing advice which contradicts the advice of many real security
professionals.

>The real problem is _not_ the messenger service pop-ups;
>they're actually providing a useful, if annoying, service by acting as
>a security alert.

If you were protecting your house and you had one door that nobody
ever used and that door was really loud and squeaky, would you:

A: Keep the door unlocked all the time and actually depend on the
loud squeak of the door to be an integral part of your house alarm
system to alert you of an intruder?

or

B. Since no legitimate people would ever use the door, bar the door
shut so that there was no chance no-one could enter through it?

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