I am a small OEM, but I would never install the OEM version of Vista on a
customer's new computer. I DO NOT want to be responsible for the support
for this OS. In the past, I have installed the OEM version of Xp. I
could handle any of the support issues with that OS. Basically, with the
correct drivers, it just worked. Even with the correct drivers for Vista,
there are too many defects in the OS, it fails all the time with one issue
or another. I would imagine that the big OEM's are beginning to rethink
their agreements with Microsoft. Do they want to provide the support for
this buggy OS????

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I am also a small OEM and have delivered a couple of computers with OEM
Vista Home Premium on them. If you do your research and use hardware that
has decent drivers Vista works very well. I have been monitoring the
customers with Vista and so far they are very happy. They are both families
and love the parental controls.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Bill" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I am a small OEM, but I would never install the OEM version of Vista on a
> customer's new computer. I DO NOT want to be responsible for the support
> for this OS. In the past, I have installed the OEM version of Xp. I
> could handle any of the support issues with that OS. Basically, with the
> correct drivers, it just worked. Even with the correct drivers for Vista,
> there are too many defects in the OS, it fails all the time with one issue
> or another. I would imagine that the big OEM's are beginning to rethink
> their agreements with Microsoft. Do they want to provide the support for
> this buggy OS????
>
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Hi Bill,

You do realize that not everyone has this problem? Vista is
still so new that not all drivers, even Vista drivers, are stable
yet. I had the same issue with XP for a long time with my
display drivers. Eventually, the company came out with a
stable XP display driver, and problems went away.

The challenge for OEMs, and Vista, is going to be finding
hardware that works really well with Vista. Note that since
Vista was started so long ago, sometimes older hardware is
supported better than newer hardware. I have a 1 1/2 year
old Sony laptop, and Vista is very stable on it. Sony hasn't
released a driver for my TV Card yet, but everything else
works fine with the Vista drivers they have released, or
the ones that came with Vista.

-- Larry Maturo

"Bill" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I am a small OEM, but I would never install the OEM version of Vista on a
> customer's new computer. I DO NOT want to be responsible for the support
> for this OS. In the past, I have installed the OEM version of Xp. I
> could handle any of the support issues with that OS. Basically, with the
> correct drivers, it just worked. Even with the correct drivers for Vista,
> there are too many defects in the OS, it fails all the time with one issue
> or another. I would imagine that the big OEM's are beginning to rethink
> their agreements with Microsoft. Do they want to provide the support for
> this buggy OS????
>
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One can only imagine the level of expertise present in a company that adopts
a "Don't call me!" attitude with their customers.

--
Maxwell Bluemeanie
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"Bill" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I am a small OEM, but I would never install the OEM version of Vista on a
> customer's new computer. I DO NOT want to be responsible for the support
> for this OS. In the past, I have installed the OEM version of Xp. I
> could handle any of the support issues with that OS. Basically, with the
> correct drivers, it just worked. Even with the correct drivers for Vista,
> there are too many defects in the OS, it fails all the time with one issue
> or another. I would imagine that the big OEM's are beginning to rethink
> their agreements with Microsoft. Do they want to provide the support for
> this buggy OS????

Selling just 2 units hardly proves or disproves anything. If selling
computers was my full-time job, I certainly would not be in a rush to risk
my business on Vista right now. Reports are already showing up in the media
about new and up-to-date computers running into problems with Vista. Do a
quick Google search and you'll see them.

Exactly. As you put it, "Vista is still so new that not all drivers, even
Vista drivers, are stable yet.". Bill is wise to hold off and avoid the
turmoil until things settle down. For a home user who is only concerned
about his/her personal unit, Vista problems are not livelihood threatening.
For Bill, that is not the case.

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:35:56 -0700, Bill <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>I am a small OEM, but I would never install the OEM version of Vista on a
>customer's new computer. I DO NOT want to be responsible for the support
>for this OS. In the past, I have installed the OEM version of Xp. I
>could handle any of the support issues with that OS. Basically, with the
>correct drivers, it just worked. Even with the correct drivers for Vista,
>there are too many defects in the OS, it fails all the time with one issue
>or another. I would imagine that the big OEM's are beginning to rethink
>their agreements with Microsoft. Do they want to provide the support for
>this buggy OS????
>
Whether it works or not, I wouldn't want to sell a customer a bunch of
bloated software that they don't need. Vista brings nothing really new
or innovative to the table...except for the fact that its a Digital
Content Delivery Platfrom.

They'll be writing drivers for XP for the next 10 years so what's the
point of moving to Vista ? I'll wait until Microsoft scraps this
turkey and writes a real operating system...if not, I'm going
to Goobuntu !!

Bill wrote:
> I am a small OEM, but I would never install the OEM version of Vista
> on a customer's new computer. I DO NOT want to be responsible for the
> support
> for this OS. In the past, I have installed the OEM version of Xp. I
> could handle any of the support issues with that OS. Basically, with
> the
> correct drivers, it just worked. Even with the correct drivers for
> Vista,
> there are too many defects in the OS, it fails all the time with one
> issue
> or another. I would imagine that the big OEM's are beginning to
> rethink
> their agreements with Microsoft. Do they want to provide the support
> for
> this buggy OS????

Your choice. Of course insisting on installing the retail version will put
you at a $200 or so competitive disadvantage.

Actually, Bill would be wise to research was hardware DOES work well with
Vista today and not miss out on any sales. You're making the assumption
that because hardware exists that doesn't have proper vista support then ALL
hardware has poor support and that's completely false.

But that's his choice.


"Papa" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Exactly. As you put it, "Vista is still so new that not all drivers, even
> Vista drivers, are stable yet.". Bill is wise to hold off and avoid the
> turmoil until things settle down. For a home user who is only concerned
> about his/her personal unit, Vista problems are not livelihood
> threatening. For Bill, that is not the case.
>
>
>

"John Locke" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Whether it works or not, I wouldn't want to sell a customer a bunch of
> bloated software that they don't need. Vista brings nothing really new
> or innovative to the table...except for the fact that its a Digital
> Content Delivery Platfrom.
>
> They'll be writing drivers for XP for the next 10 years so what's the
> point of moving to Vista ? I'll wait until Microsoft scraps this
> turkey and writes a real operating system...if not, I'm going
> to Goobuntu !!

Read this NG and you'll find your answer.