That's correct. When you use the Insert Page Number command on the H&F
toolbar, the PAGE field is inserted directly into the Header paragraph.
Although Header & Footer Tools | Design | Header & Footer | Page Number is
given as the equivalent of the Insert | Page Numbers command, I suspect that
it is not in fact inserting page numbers the same way Insert | Page Numbers
did, though few users would realize this.
A frame is somewhat like a text box--an older technology that the text box
was supposed to replace but, for a variety of reasons, didn't quite. For
more on that, see "WD2000: General Information About Floating Objects" at
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=268713
Word 97 removed the Frame command from the Insert menu and made it
devilishly hard to restore by labeling it "Horizontal" in the Customize
dialog. Word 2000 corrected the Customize dialog listing, but complicated
the issue by introducing an entirely new (Web-specific) kind of frame, which
caused even more confusion. No subsequent version has restored it to the
Insert menu (though savvy users may do so). It's possible you can find it in
Customize in Word 2007 somewhere among the "Commands Not in the Ribbon." But
since a text box will serve your needs as well as a frame for this purpose,
I suspect, there's no real need to learn how to use frames.
Until this thread, however, I have to confess that it had never occurred to
me that this was a built-in benefit of using Insert | Page Numbers (which
can otherwise cause so many problems because there's no way to remove the
number as easily as you insert it--see
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...lyIndented.htm). The article
at
http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...apeSection.htm should probably
be revised to take this into account for users of older versions.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"Edward" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:9003932F-0265-4CA4-AAD5-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Then are you implying that when you add a page number using the Header and
> Footer toolbar using Word 2007 it does not use a text box, frame or table
> cell? Because if it were, then I would be able to rotate the text using
> the
> Text Direction command? Sorry if I sound contrary - don't mean to be -
> just
> trying to understand all this lingo. I am not a technical software user
> by
> training - just learning on the "fly".
>
> I guess what is throwing me is the term frame? I know what a text box is
> and what a table is, but not sure what a frame is. The down side to this
> is
> having to go in and manually use text boxes on each landscape page and
> manually type in the page number and also being able to turn the page
> numbers
> 90 degrees - not to mention trying to align the page numbers with the rest
> of
> the pages. Are there any simpler solutions? I am afraid I have run into
> the
> end of any better choices.
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>
>> That has not been possible in any version of Word. In order to rotate
>> text
>> you must have it in a text box, frame, or table cell. If you used Insert
>> |
>> Page Numbers in an earlier version of Word (as opposed to the Insert Page
>> Number command on the Header and Footer toolbar), then the page number
>> was
>> already in a frame.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>> "Edward" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:58B88B99-3D45-4446-AF2A-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > The function to rotate page numbers using Text Direction in alternating
>> > portrait and landscape pages using the regular header and footer page
>> > number
>> > commands.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>> >
>> >> What function does the help desk claim has been removed? Text boxes?
>> >> Frames?
>> >> Tables? I'm sorry, but the help desk is wrong on this one.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> >> Words into Type
>> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> >>
>> >> "Edward" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> news:7EDD3B25-006C-438B-8AE4-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > Thanks. I have seen that document but it doesn't address my needs
>> >> > at
>> >> > this
>> >> > point. I just spoke to one of the senior staff at our computer help
>> >> > desk
>> >> > at
>> >> > the Univ. and they tell me that Microsoft removed that function from
>> >> > Word
>> >> > 2007. How disappointing!
>> >> >
>> >> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> See http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Formatting...apeSection.htm for
>> >> >> general
>> >> >> principles.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> >> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> >> >> Words into Type
>> >> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Edward" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:30C0EF24-50F1-4F6A-AA38-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> >I am trying to format my dissertation using the page number
>> >> >> >command
>> >> >> >(under
>> >> >> > header and footer tab). I have my sections in portrait and
>> >> >> > landscape
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > the numbers of pages sequentially on all the pages. I even have
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > page
>> >> >> > numbers in the proper location (portrait - top right &
>> >> >> > landscape -
>> >> >> > bottom
>> >> >> > right), however I cannot rotate the landscape page numbers since
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > in a table nor can I use the footer command b/c I have more than
>> >> >> > just
>> >> >> > one
>> >> >> > page (twelve in landscape thus far).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Does anyone know how I can rotate the numbers in the landscape
>> >> >> > portion
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > the document? I have viewed all I can find in these community
>> >> >> > forums
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > none have had the same issue that I can find. Any help is much
>> >> >> > appreciated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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