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Yes, the program is still running. Windows Defender is configured to not
display an icon but future versions is planned to display an icon if you want to see it there in the system tray. -- Eric "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news  8260FBC-F401-49A9-9D5D-(E-Mail Removed)...> Hello Bill > > Thanks for your advice - once again. > > I downloaded and scanned with Windows Defender with the following result - > > "No unwanted or harmful software detected. Your computer is running > normally." > > So hopfully all is well. > > Just a couple of queries re Windows Defender - > > I did not uninstall MSAS Beta 1 before installing Windows Defender but it > seems to have disappeared. Hope this is OK. > > Windows Defender has not downloaded its icon into the system tray like the > previous version did. Is it still running effectively? I did not realise > it > was scanning at the time I had set until I opened the programme. MSAS > used > to open a small box just above the system tray when scanning so you knew > what > it was up to. > > Once again, many thanks. It must be quite trying advising we computer > illiterates! > > Kind regards > > Alvis > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote: > >> I'd recommend installing Windows Defender--the awaited beta2 version of >> Microsoft Antispyware, and getting a second opinion. False positives are >> a >> fact of antispyware life. This could be a false positive (something >> innocent ID'd as bad) or it could be something a little different--a >> remnant >> or related but not dangerous by itself file or registry entry--which >> Microsoft Antispyware chose to ignore, but Spyware Doctor flags. >> >> You can get Windows Defender here: >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en >> >> just download and double-click to update the Microsoft Antispyware you >> have >> in place. >> >> In the end, you may have the same issue--one opinion from Spyware Doctor >> and >> a different one from Microsoft's tools--you should check out the details >> listed by Spyware Doctor as best you can --perhaps post them here--to try >> to >> get more information. >> >> -- >> >> "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:006A9F12-093A-43D7-B81F-(E-Mail Removed)... >> >I have been running MSAS daily for many months now and it has never >> > identified any spyware on my system. Today I tried Spyware Doctor and >> > it >> > identified - >> > >> > Altnet Software - Bundled with Kazaa. Installs a browser helper object >> > which loads when IE is started. ... >> > >> > Why hasn't MSAS identified this "spyware"? And can someone explain - >> > in >> > very simple terms - how to remove it. >> > >> > Many thanks >> > Alvis >> >> >> |
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Everything you say is what I'd expect. Windows Defender is new to everyone,
so there are lots of questions about how it works. Yes--no icon, for the time being anyway. Yes--the real-time-protection and the scans can take place with no user interface visible. Because there's no common definition for spyware, there's quite a bit of variability between vendors. Spyware Doctor is a highly reputable product--there are lots that don't fit that description--but even good doctors may disagree about a particular symptom. I tend to trust Microsoft's judgement--so I'd not worry about the Spyware Doctor finding at this point--it seems to be "odd man out" on this one. I suppose you could try Ad-Aware or spybot search & destroy for yet another opinion--but I don't think this is an important enough threat to warrant the extra effort. -- "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news 8260FBC-F401-49A9-9D5D-(E-Mail Removed)...> Hello Bill > > Thanks for your advice - once again. > > I downloaded and scanned with Windows Defender with the following result - > > "No unwanted or harmful software detected. Your computer is running > normally." > > So hopfully all is well. > > Just a couple of queries re Windows Defender - > > I did not uninstall MSAS Beta 1 before installing Windows Defender but it > seems to have disappeared. Hope this is OK. > > Windows Defender has not downloaded its icon into the system tray like the > previous version did. Is it still running effectively? I did not realise > it > was scanning at the time I had set until I opened the programme. MSAS > used > to open a small box just above the system tray when scanning so you knew > what > it was up to. > > Once again, many thanks. It must be quite trying advising we computer > illiterates! > > Kind regards > > Alvis > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote: > >> I'd recommend installing Windows Defender--the awaited beta2 version of >> Microsoft Antispyware, and getting a second opinion. False positives are >> a >> fact of antispyware life. This could be a false positive (something >> innocent ID'd as bad) or it could be something a little different--a >> remnant >> or related but not dangerous by itself file or registry entry--which >> Microsoft Antispyware chose to ignore, but Spyware Doctor flags. >> >> You can get Windows Defender here: >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en >> >> just download and double-click to update the Microsoft Antispyware you >> have >> in place. >> >> In the end, you may have the same issue--one opinion from Spyware Doctor >> and >> a different one from Microsoft's tools--you should check out the details >> listed by Spyware Doctor as best you can --perhaps post them here--to try >> to >> get more information. >> >> -- >> >> "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news:006A9F12-093A-43D7-B81F-(E-Mail Removed)... >> >I have been running MSAS daily for many months now and it has never >> > identified any spyware on my system. Today I tried Spyware Doctor and >> > it >> > identified - >> > >> > Altnet Software - Bundled with Kazaa. Installs a browser helper object >> > which loads when IE is started. ... >> > >> > Why hasn't MSAS identified this "spyware"? And can someone explain - >> > in >> > very simple terms - how to remove it. >> > >> > Many thanks >> > Alvis >> >> >> |
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Many thanks for this explanation. Nice to know it's working silently in the
background. Alvis "Eric Cross" wrote: > Yes, the program is still running. Windows Defender is configured to not > display an icon but future versions is planned to display an icon if you > want to see it there in the system tray. > > -- > Eric > > > "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news 8260FBC-F401-49A9-9D5D-(E-Mail Removed)...> > Hello Bill > > > > Thanks for your advice - once again. > > > > I downloaded and scanned with Windows Defender with the following result - > > > > "No unwanted or harmful software detected. Your computer is running > > normally." > > > > So hopfully all is well. > > > > Just a couple of queries re Windows Defender - > > > > I did not uninstall MSAS Beta 1 before installing Windows Defender but it > > seems to have disappeared. Hope this is OK. > > > > Windows Defender has not downloaded its icon into the system tray like the > > previous version did. Is it still running effectively? I did not realise > > it > > was scanning at the time I had set until I opened the programme. MSAS > > used > > to open a small box just above the system tray when scanning so you knew > > what > > it was up to. > > > > Once again, many thanks. It must be quite trying advising we computer > > illiterates! > > > > Kind regards > > > > Alvis > > > > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote: > > > >> I'd recommend installing Windows Defender--the awaited beta2 version of > >> Microsoft Antispyware, and getting a second opinion. False positives are > >> a > >> fact of antispyware life. This could be a false positive (something > >> innocent ID'd as bad) or it could be something a little different--a > >> remnant > >> or related but not dangerous by itself file or registry entry--which > >> Microsoft Antispyware chose to ignore, but Spyware Doctor flags. > >> > >> You can get Windows Defender here: > >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en > >> > >> just download and double-click to update the Microsoft Antispyware you > >> have > >> in place. > >> > >> In the end, you may have the same issue--one opinion from Spyware Doctor > >> and > >> a different one from Microsoft's tools--you should check out the details > >> listed by Spyware Doctor as best you can --perhaps post them here--to try > >> to > >> get more information. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > >> news:006A9F12-093A-43D7-B81F-(E-Mail Removed)... > >> >I have been running MSAS daily for many months now and it has never > >> > identified any spyware on my system. Today I tried Spyware Doctor and > >> > it > >> > identified - > >> > > >> > Altnet Software - Bundled with Kazaa. Installs a browser helper object > >> > which loads when IE is started. ... > >> > > >> > Why hasn't MSAS identified this "spyware"? And can someone explain - > >> > in > >> > very simple terms - how to remove it. > >> > > >> > Many thanks > >> > Alvis > >> > >> > >> > > > |
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Hello again
Thanks for explaining about Windows Defender. I check my computer regularly with Ad-aware - it never finds any problems. Also used Spybot until a few days ago (when I lost something called "framedyn.dll") and it never identified any problems. You suggested in an earlier reply that I post details of the infections found by Spy Doctor. Here are the details - sorry it's rather a long list even though there are only 4 infections. It classified the infections as "elevated". Altnet Software Bundled with Kazaa. Installs a Browser Helper Object which loads when IE started. Registry HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ModuleUsage\C:/WINDOWS/System32/msvcirt.dll HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ModuleUsage\C:/WINDOWS/System32/msvcirt.dll## HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ModuleUsage\C:/WINDOWS/System32/msvcirt.dll##.Owner HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ModuleUsage\C:/WINDOWS/System32/msvcirt.dll##{C0E10B5C-DA42-11D3-9FED-0004ACF74B57} Hope I have not overwhelmed you with information. Many thanks Alvis "Bill Sanderson" wrote: > Everything you say is what I'd expect. Windows Defender is new to everyone, > so there are lots of questions about how it works. > > Yes--no icon, for the time being anyway. > > Yes--the real-time-protection and the scans can take place with no user > interface visible. > > Because there's no common definition for spyware, there's quite a bit of > variability between vendors. Spyware Doctor is a highly reputable > product--there are lots that don't fit that description--but even good > doctors may disagree about a particular symptom. > > I tend to trust Microsoft's judgement--so I'd not worry about the Spyware > Doctor finding at this point--it seems to be "odd man out" on this one. I > suppose you could try Ad-Aware or spybot search & destroy for yet another > opinion--but I don't think this is an important enough threat to warrant the > extra effort. > > -- > > "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > news 8260FBC-F401-49A9-9D5D-(E-Mail Removed)...> > Hello Bill > > > > Thanks for your advice - once again. > > > > I downloaded and scanned with Windows Defender with the following result - > > > > "No unwanted or harmful software detected. Your computer is running > > normally." > > > > So hopfully all is well. > > > > Just a couple of queries re Windows Defender - > > > > I did not uninstall MSAS Beta 1 before installing Windows Defender but it > > seems to have disappeared. Hope this is OK. > > > > Windows Defender has not downloaded its icon into the system tray like the > > previous version did. Is it still running effectively? I did not realise > > it > > was scanning at the time I had set until I opened the programme. MSAS > > used > > to open a small box just above the system tray when scanning so you knew > > what > > it was up to. > > > > Once again, many thanks. It must be quite trying advising we computer > > illiterates! > > > > Kind regards > > > > Alvis > > > > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote: > > > >> I'd recommend installing Windows Defender--the awaited beta2 version of > >> Microsoft Antispyware, and getting a second opinion. False positives are > >> a > >> fact of antispyware life. This could be a false positive (something > >> innocent ID'd as bad) or it could be something a little different--a > >> remnant > >> or related but not dangerous by itself file or registry entry--which > >> Microsoft Antispyware chose to ignore, but Spyware Doctor flags. > >> > >> You can get Windows Defender here: > >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en > >> > >> just download and double-click to update the Microsoft Antispyware you > >> have > >> in place. > >> > >> In the end, you may have the same issue--one opinion from Spyware Doctor > >> and > >> a different one from Microsoft's tools--you should check out the details > >> listed by Spyware Doctor as best you can --perhaps post them here--to try > >> to > >> get more information. > >> > >> -- > >> > >> "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message > >> news:006A9F12-093A-43D7-B81F-(E-Mail Removed)... > >> >I have been running MSAS daily for many months now and it has never > >> > identified any spyware on my system. Today I tried Spyware Doctor and > >> > it > >> > identified - > >> > > >> > Altnet Software - Bundled with Kazaa. Installs a browser helper object > >> > which loads when IE is started. ... > >> > > >> > Why hasn't MSAS identified this "spyware"? And can someone explain - > >> > in > >> > very simple terms - how to remove it. > >> > > >> > Many thanks > >> > Alvis > >> > >> > >> > > > |
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Sorry I missed this one: I don't have a clear opinion. The detected .dll
file is probably innocent--it's a standard file that many applications might install. I'm not sure about the GUID (that long string of letters and numbers)--which could indicate that the file was put in place by something bad. However--if that DLL and those registry entries are all that is involved--that isn't enough to constitute a genuine threat. Has Kazaa ever been installed on this system? Does Spyware Doctor have a support forum you can check this out in? -- "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:48D93AA8-4FC0-4B6F-94DA-(E-Mail Removed)... > Hello again > > Thanks for explaining about Windows Defender. > > I check my computer regularly with Ad-aware - it never finds any problems. > Also used Spybot until a few days ago (when I lost something called > "framedyn.dll") and it never identified any problems. > > You suggested in an earlier reply that I post details of the infections > found by Spy Doctor. Here are the details - sorry it's rather a long list > even though there are only 4 infections. It classified the infections as > "elevated". > > Altnet Software > Bundled with Kazaa. Installs a Browser Helper Object which loads when IE > started. > > Registry > HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ModuleUsage\C:/WINDOWS/System32/msvcirt.dll > HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ModuleUsage\C:/WINDOWS/System32/msvcirt.dll## > HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ModuleUsage\C:/WINDOWS/System32/msvcirt.dll##.Owner > HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\ModuleUsage\C:/WINDOWS/System32/msvcirt.dll##{C0E10B5C-DA42-11D3-9FED-0004ACF74B57} > > Hope I have not overwhelmed you with information. > > Many thanks > > Alvis > > > > > > > "Bill Sanderson" wrote: > >> Everything you say is what I'd expect. Windows Defender is new to >> everyone, >> so there are lots of questions about how it works. >> >> Yes--no icon, for the time being anyway. >> >> Yes--the real-time-protection and the scans can take place with no user >> interface visible. >> >> Because there's no common definition for spyware, there's quite a bit of >> variability between vendors. Spyware Doctor is a highly reputable >> product--there are lots that don't fit that description--but even good >> doctors may disagree about a particular symptom. >> >> I tend to trust Microsoft's judgement--so I'd not worry about the Spyware >> Doctor finding at this point--it seems to be "odd man out" on this one. >> I >> suppose you could try Ad-Aware or spybot search & destroy for yet another >> opinion--but I don't think this is an important enough threat to warrant >> the >> extra effort. >> >> -- >> >> "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> news 8260FBC-F401-49A9-9D5D-(E-Mail Removed)...>> > Hello Bill >> > >> > Thanks for your advice - once again. >> > >> > I downloaded and scanned with Windows Defender with the following >> > result - >> > >> > "No unwanted or harmful software detected. Your computer is running >> > normally." >> > >> > So hopfully all is well. >> > >> > Just a couple of queries re Windows Defender - >> > >> > I did not uninstall MSAS Beta 1 before installing Windows Defender but >> > it >> > seems to have disappeared. Hope this is OK. >> > >> > Windows Defender has not downloaded its icon into the system tray like >> > the >> > previous version did. Is it still running effectively? I did not >> > realise >> > it >> > was scanning at the time I had set until I opened the programme. MSAS >> > used >> > to open a small box just above the system tray when scanning so you >> > knew >> > what >> > it was up to. >> > >> > Once again, many thanks. It must be quite trying advising we computer >> > illiterates! >> > >> > Kind regards >> > >> > Alvis >> > >> > >> > "Bill Sanderson" wrote: >> > >> >> I'd recommend installing Windows Defender--the awaited beta2 version >> >> of >> >> Microsoft Antispyware, and getting a second opinion. False positives >> >> are >> >> a >> >> fact of antispyware life. This could be a false positive (something >> >> innocent ID'd as bad) or it could be something a little different--a >> >> remnant >> >> or related but not dangerous by itself file or registry entry--which >> >> Microsoft Antispyware chose to ignore, but Spyware Doctor flags. >> >> >> >> You can get Windows Defender here: >> >> >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en >> >> >> >> just download and double-click to update the Microsoft Antispyware you >> >> have >> >> in place. >> >> >> >> In the end, you may have the same issue--one opinion from Spyware >> >> Doctor >> >> and >> >> a different one from Microsoft's tools--you should check out the >> >> details >> >> listed by Spyware Doctor as best you can --perhaps post them here--to >> >> try >> >> to >> >> get more information. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> "Alvis" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message >> >> news:006A9F12-093A-43D7-B81F-(E-Mail Removed)... >> >> >I have been running MSAS daily for many months now and it has never >> >> > identified any spyware on my system. Today I tried Spyware Doctor >> >> > and >> >> > it >> >> > identified - >> >> > >> >> > Altnet Software - Bundled with Kazaa. Installs a browser helper >> >> > object >> >> > which loads when IE is started. ... >> >> > >> >> > Why hasn't MSAS identified this "spyware"? And can someone >> >> > explain - >> >> > in >> >> > very simple terms - how to remove it. >> >> > >> >> > Many thanks >> >> > Alvis >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> |
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