Well it started off well. I actually like how the MS
program worked. It even a found a few that Spybot and
adaware missed.
But now you caved in because a spyware site/programe owners
complained to you and you are going to remove it from your
list of targets. Read it and weep spyware haters
http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archive...-vs-microsoft/

Other adware/spyware programs indentify weatherbug as
adware because it is!!

Come on MS. How many other spyware companies that complain
and cry the blues to you will you remove???? And you are
going to want me to pay. How can I trust your program
anymore?? I guess when fastclick, and xxxtoolbar ect cry to
you or pay you, you remove them from your target list too!!????

So what do you want? Microsoft has a clearly defined set of standards and a
process for resolution of disputes about how those standards are applied.

Anybody who is familiar with the operation of DNSBL's know that there is
potential for abuse in a product which offers to "remove" something that may
be viewed as legitimate by some and not by others.

The early players in this area are starting to get smart and re-form
themselves as legitimate businesses. Microsoft will apply objective
standards to them--they can't look back in history and say "but three years
ago you were doing......" This is going to make many people who've been
fighting against this stuff for any length of time upset, but in the end, if
it stops the drive-by installs and the programs with no uninstall, etc,
it'll surely be a good thing, right? I've already seen a couple of posts of
"help, I have xyz spyware on my system and this program can't remove it"
whose answer was "check out add/remove programs."

Take a good look at the criteria for inclusion and see whether you think
Weatherbug violates them.



"Yardwaste" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:14e501c4f766$619becb0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Well it started off well. I actually like how the MS
> program worked. It even a found a few that Spybot and
> adaware missed.
> But now you caved in because a spyware site/programe owners
> complained to you and you are going to remove it from your
> list of targets. Read it and weep spyware haters
> http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archive...-vs-microsoft/
>
> Other adware/spyware programs indentify weatherbug as
> adware because it is!!
>
> Come on MS. How many other spyware companies that complain
> and cry the blues to you will you remove???? And you are
> going to want me to pay. How can I trust your program
> anymore?? I guess when fastclick, and xxxtoolbar ect cry to
> you or pay you, you remove them from your target list too!!????

Hello Yardwaste,

Y> Well it started off well. I actually like how the MS
Y> program worked. It even a found a few that Spybot and
Y> adaware missed.
Y> But now you caved in because a spyware site/programe owners
Y> complained to you and you are going to remove it from your
Y> list of targets. Read it and weep spyware haters
Y> http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archive...-vs-microsoft/
Y> Other adware/spyware programs indentify weatherbug as adware because
Y> it is!!
Y>
Y> Come on MS. How many other spyware companies that complain and cry
Y> the blues to you will you remove???? And you are going to want me to
Y> pay. How can I trust your program anymore?? I guess when fastclick,
Y> and xxxtoolbar ect cry to you or pay you, you remove them from your
Y> target list too!!????

Weatherbug by itself is not spyware. They make it very plain when you install
it that you are getting ad's delivered to your system. They keep the ad's
displaying within the software itself so if you don't want to see them don't
open the software up. That's all that most of us who have to deal with spyware
really care about. Don't hide a bunch of crap in the EULA and claim you
are not spyware. Weatherbug does not do this. One thing they did the last
time I checked though is to distribute the MyWay toolbar with their package.
That is another topic though. Weatherbug itself I tend to agree is not
spyware. I'm just not sure I'm 100 percent behind their distribution tactics
though.


Spider
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/spider1

"Yardwaste" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:14e501c4f766$619becb0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Well it started off well. I actually like how the MS
> program worked. It even a found a few that Spybot and
> adaware missed.
> But now you caved in because a spyware site/programe owners
> complained to you and you are going to remove it from your
> list of targets. Read it and weep spyware haters
> http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archive...-vs-microsoft/
>
> Other adware/spyware programs indentify weatherbug as
> adware because it is!!
>
> Come on MS. How many other spyware companies that complain
> and cry the blues to you will you remove???? And you are
> going to want me to pay. How can I trust your program
> anymore?? I guess when fastclick, and xxxtoolbar ect cry to
> you or pay you, you remove them from your target list too!!????

http://www.pchell.com/support/weatherbug.shtml

adware, not spyware.

adware, spyware --whatever. I don't want it and I want it
detected and removed. They caved, I wonder if money was
involved.

If weather bug's home page said that "we will track your
loacation and we will send you ads" on the top of the page
most people would not proceed. Then again, lots would, like
those that support this cave in.

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:18a501c4f7d6$0a811430$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> adware, spyware --whatever. I don't want it and I want it
> detected and removed. They caved, I wonder if money was
> involved.
>
> If weather bug's home page said that "we will track your
> loacation and we will send you ads" on the top of the page
> most people would not proceed. Then again, lots would, like
> those that support this cave in.

I don't particularly support the cave, was just providing a link to some
info on weatherbug.

Honest ;-)

Andy

"andy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:ODFJ0Y$(E-Mail Removed)...

> I don't particularly support the cave, was just providing a link to some
> info on weatherbug.

cave? doh, cave in.

<snip>

>
> Honest ;-)
>
> Andy
>

When you say you want it detected and removed--your implication is that you
didn't know it was there?

You didn't read the Eula which, in order to be removed from the listing,
must fairly describe the activity of the product, as I recall?

Or are you saying that you want this product removed from a suite of
corporate desktops you control? I'm sure there are other ways to accomplish
this, or to prevent the installation in the first place, than requiring
Microsoft to uninstall something your users have been permitted to install
in the first place.

"adware, spyware, whatever"--this distinction is important. If you don't
want products which display ads on your machines, feel free to not install
them. I don't see why there needs to be a Microsoft product which removes
"products which display ads" as a category.


<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:18a501c4f7d6$0a811430$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> adware, spyware --whatever. I don't want it and I want it
> detected and removed. They caved, I wonder if money was
> involved.
>
> If weather bug's home page said that "we will track your
> loacation and we will send you ads" on the top of the page
> most people would not proceed. Then again, lots would, like
> those that support this cave in.

> Other adware/spyware programs indentify weatherbug as
> adware because it is!!

Weatherbug is *not* adware. It's simply an ad supported program. The company
never denied that it contains advertisements, nor does MS. If you want to
call weatherbug adware, then so is Opera, AIM, and many other programs that
display advertisements in the program. That's different than installing
programs on your machine that hijack your PC to display ads. Weatherbug
*only* displays the ads within its own program. That's not adware, that's an
ad supported free program.

codemastr wrote:

>>Other adware/spyware programs indentify weatherbug as
>>adware because it is!!
>
>
> Weatherbug is *not* adware. It's simply an ad supported program. The company
> never denied that it contains advertisements, nor does MS. If you want to
> call weatherbug adware, then so is Opera, AIM, and many other programs that
> display advertisements in the program. That's different than installing
> programs on your machine that hijack your PC to display ads. Weatherbug
> *only* displays the ads within its own program. That's not adware, that's an
> ad supported free program.
>
>
Nicely put, codemaster. Whether it's a PITA, nuisance, how ever one
describes Weatherbug, it is NOT malware.

Steve Wechsler (akaMowGreen)
MVP Windows Server
AumHa VSOP