Time to upgrade a couple of healthy print-only's to All-in-Ones, to
get the ability to copy (monochrome) a dozen pages a week, send and
receive faxes maybe once a month. Print load on one is typically a
few pages a day mostly text, the other maybe twenty pages a day, 99%
text. Basically no hi-resolution photo printing on either.

Local Staples has Canon MP780 for $199 (after rebate), Lexmark X8350
for $199, and some crazy-cheap Brother models MFC-210C for $69 (after
rebate), MFC-5440 for $109, same unit with a copy-feeder.

Just all friggin' amazing values, assuming they work, and keep
working, and are software-compatible for a couple of aging XP
workstations. I see the Brother wants 128mb, have to check one of the
PCs for that, may be a problem. Can't seem to find the memory
requirement for the Lexmark, anybody know? It's not the cost of the
memory, of course, just the hassle of upgrading.

I like Canon products, but see these little Brothers (!) also use
separate ink cartridges, an idea I like. The Lexmark runs black and
then three-color, or black+photo + three-color.

The Lexmark is just unbelievable, it has a little graphic screen to
give you instructions, not so many years ago this was a high-end
feature on $25,000 office copiers!

Any advice on these models?

Oh, and a question - can you leave any or all of these in fax-receive
mode on a line that also has a voice answering machine on it and
active and still have everything work correctly?

At these prices, does anybody buy straight printers anymore?

Thanks.

Josh

1. I would recommend that you stay far away from the Lexmark. having own two
myself, the 1100 & X73 models. The major reason, that it seems an unbelievable
values, is that Lexmark, prefers to make the profit on the sale of replacement
cartridges for its printers. Look at the prices of their replacement cartridges,
usually in the $ 30.00 or more range, for each cartridge.

2. If you need the multifunctional, to make copies in B/W (monochrome), consider
a laser printer instead, that uses a toner cartridge. You can always buy a HP
photo printer if you need to do photos. Canon Laser printer, imageCLASS® MF3110
may be what you need. Replacement toner cartridges start at about $40.00, and
have a capacity of 2500 pages.

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/con...&modelid=10519

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"JXStern" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
Time to upgrade a couple of healthy print-only's to All-in-Ones, to
get the ability to copy (monochrome) a dozen pages a week, send and
receive faxes maybe once a month. Print load on one is typically a
few pages a day mostly text, the other maybe twenty pages a day, 99%
text. Basically no hi-resolution photo printing on either.

Local Staples has Canon MP780 for $199 (after rebate), Lexmark X8350
for $199, and some crazy-cheap Brother models MFC-210C for $69 (after
rebate), MFC-5440 for $109, same unit with a copy-feeder.

Just all friggin' amazing values, assuming they work, and keep
working, and are software-compatible for a couple of aging XP
workstations. I see the Brother wants 128mb, have to check one of the
PCs for that, may be a problem. Can't seem to find the memory
requirement for the Lexmark, anybody know? It's not the cost of the
memory, of course, just the hassle of upgrading.

I like Canon products, but see these little Brothers (!) also use
separate ink cartridges, an idea I like. The Lexmark runs black and
then three-color, or black+photo + three-color.

The Lexmark is just unbelievable, it has a little graphic screen to
give you instructions, not so many years ago this was a high-end
feature on $25,000 office copiers!

Any advice on these models?

Oh, and a question - can you leave any or all of these in fax-receive
mode on a line that also has a voice answering machine on it and
active and still have everything work correctly?

At these prices, does anybody buy straight printers anymore?

Thanks.

Josh

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:16:12 GMT, JXStern <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Time to upgrade a couple of healthy print-only's to All-in-Ones, to
>get the ability to copy (monochrome) a dozen pages a week, send and
>receive faxes maybe once a month. Print load on one is typically a
>few pages a day mostly text, the other maybe twenty pages a day, 99%
>text. Basically no hi-resolution photo printing on either.
>
>Local Staples has Canon MP780 for $199 (after rebate), Lexmark X8350
>for $199, and some crazy-cheap Brother models MFC-210C for $69 (after
>rebate), MFC-5440 for $109, same unit with a copy-feeder.
>
>Just all friggin' amazing values, assuming they work, and keep
>working, and are software-compatible for a couple of aging XP
>workstations. I see the Brother wants 128mb, have to check one of the
>PCs for that, may be a problem. Can't seem to find the memory
>requirement for the Lexmark, anybody know? It's not the cost of the
>memory, of course, just the hassle of upgrading.
>
>I like Canon products, but see these little Brothers (!) also use
>separate ink cartridges, an idea I like. The Lexmark runs black and
>then three-color, or black+photo + three-color.
>
>The Lexmark is just unbelievable, it has a little graphic screen to
>give you instructions, not so many years ago this was a high-end
>feature on $25,000 office copiers!
>
>Any advice on these models?
>
>Oh, and a question - can you leave any or all of these in fax-receive
>mode on a line that also has a voice answering machine on it and
>active and still have everything work correctly?
>
>At these prices, does anybody buy straight printers anymore?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Josh


I personally have never thought all-in-one machines made much sense.
My reasoning is that, if one of the functions glitches and goes down,
you loose it all when it goes to the rapair facility because they are
all housed in the same machine.

Consider that a perfectly good printer can be had these days for $70
to $100 depending on your needs. You already have fax capabilities
built into Windows XP for free. A great little Canon Lide scanner can
be found for less than $70. There are some freeware software packages
that allow your computer to function as a full function answering
machine. And best of all, if one element goes on the fritz, it can be
replaced for a fraction of what one of the better all-in-ones would
cost you to replace.

Although you may choose to not heed my advice on the wisdom of
all-in-ones, you'd best take my advice on the following: When it
comes to Lexmark ... be afraid .. be very afraid. They are crap.

Tron wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:16:12 GMT, JXStern <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>Time to upgrade a couple of healthy print-only's to All-in-Ones, to
>>get the ability to copy (monochrome) a dozen pages a week, send and
>>receive faxes maybe once a month. Print load on one is typically a
>>few pages a day mostly text, the other maybe twenty pages a day, 99%
>>text. Basically no hi-resolution photo printing on either.
>>
>>Local Staples has Canon MP780 for $199 (after rebate), Lexmark X8350
>>for $199, and some crazy-cheap Brother models MFC-210C for $69 (after
>>rebate), MFC-5440 for $109, same unit with a copy-feeder.
>>
>>Just all friggin' amazing values, assuming they work, and keep
>>working, and are software-compatible for a couple of aging XP
>>workstations. I see the Brother wants 128mb, have to check one of the
>>PCs for that, may be a problem. Can't seem to find the memory
>>requirement for the Lexmark, anybody know? It's not the cost of the
>>memory, of course, just the hassle of upgrading.
>>
>>I like Canon products, but see these little Brothers (!) also use
>>separate ink cartridges, an idea I like. The Lexmark runs black and
>>then three-color, or black+photo + three-color.
>>
>>The Lexmark is just unbelievable, it has a little graphic screen to
>>give you instructions, not so many years ago this was a high-end
>>feature on $25,000 office copiers!
>>
>>Any advice on these models?
>>
>>Oh, and a question - can you leave any or all of these in fax-receive
>>mode on a line that also has a voice answering machine on it and
>>active and still have everything work correctly?
>>
>>At these prices, does anybody buy straight printers anymore?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Josh
>>
>>
>
>
>I personally have never thought all-in-one machines made much sense.
>My reasoning is that, if one of the functions glitches and goes down,
>you loose it all when it goes to the rapair facility because they are
>all housed in the same machine.
>
>
TOTALLY AGREE

>Consider that a perfectly good printer can be had these days for $70
>to $100 depending on your needs. You already have fax capabilities
>built into Windows XP for free. A great little Canon Lide scanner can
>be found for less than $70. There are some freeware software packages
>that allow your computer to function as a full function answering
>machine. And best of all, if one element goes on the fritz, it can be
>replaced for a fraction of what one of the better all-in-ones would
>cost you to replace.
>
>Although you may choose to not heed my advice on the wisdom of
>all-in-ones, you'd best take my advice on the following: When it
>comes to Lexmark ... be afraid .. be very afraid. They are crap.
>
>
THEY ARE NOT AS GOOD AS CRAP

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:34:03 GMT, measekite <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
>
>Tron wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:16:12 GMT, JXStern <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Time to upgrade a couple of healthy print-only's to All-in-Ones, to
>>>get the ability to copy (monochrome) a dozen pages a week, send and
>>>receive faxes maybe once a month. Print load on one is typically a
>>>few pages a day mostly text, the other maybe twenty pages a day, 99%
>>>text. Basically no hi-resolution photo printing on either.
>>>
>>>Local Staples has Canon MP780 for $199 (after rebate), Lexmark X8350
>>>for $199, and some crazy-cheap Brother models MFC-210C for $69 (after
>>>rebate), MFC-5440 for $109, same unit with a copy-feeder.
>>>
>>>Just all friggin' amazing values, assuming they work, and keep
>>>working, and are software-compatible for a couple of aging XP
>>>workstations. I see the Brother wants 128mb, have to check one of the
>>>PCs for that, may be a problem. Can't seem to find the memory
>>>requirement for the Lexmark, anybody know? It's not the cost of the
>>>memory, of course, just the hassle of upgrading.
>>>
>>>I like Canon products, but see these little Brothers (!) also use
>>>separate ink cartridges, an idea I like. The Lexmark runs black and
>>>then three-color, or black+photo + three-color.
>>>
>>>The Lexmark is just unbelievable, it has a little graphic screen to
>>>give you instructions, not so many years ago this was a high-end
>>>feature on $25,000 office copiers!
>>>
>>>Any advice on these models?
>>>
>>>Oh, and a question - can you leave any or all of these in fax-receive
>>>mode on a line that also has a voice answering machine on it and
>>>active and still have everything work correctly?
>>>
>>>At these prices, does anybody buy straight printers anymore?
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Josh
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>I personally have never thought all-in-one machines made much sense.
>>My reasoning is that, if one of the functions glitches and goes down,
>>you loose it all when it goes to the rapair facility because they are
>>all housed in the same machine.
>>
>>
>TOTALLY AGREE
>
>>Consider that a perfectly good printer can be had these days for $70
>>to $100 depending on your needs. You already have fax capabilities
>>built into Windows XP for free. A great little Canon Lide scanner can
>>be found for less than $70. There are some freeware software packages
>>that allow your computer to function as a full function answering
>>machine. And best of all, if one element goes on the fritz, it can be
>>replaced for a fraction of what one of the better all-in-ones would
>>cost you to replace.
>>
>>Although you may choose to not heed my advice on the wisdom of
>>all-in-ones, you'd best take my advice on the following: When it
>>comes to Lexmark ... be afraid .. be very afraid. They are crap.
>>
>>
>THEY ARE NOT AS GOOD AS CRAP

Jesus, Measekite says he agrees with my post. What's wrong with me?
I feel like I need a bath.

Tron wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:34:03 GMT, measekite <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>Tron wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:16:12 GMT, JXStern <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Time to upgrade a couple of healthy print-only's to All-in-Ones, to
>>>>get the ability to copy (monochrome) a dozen pages a week, send and
>>>>receive faxes maybe once a month. Print load on one is typically a
>>>>few pages a day mostly text, the other maybe twenty pages a day, 99%
>>>>text. Basically no hi-resolution photo printing on either.
>>>>
>>>>Local Staples has Canon MP780 for $199 (after rebate), Lexmark X8350
>>>>for $199, and some crazy-cheap Brother models MFC-210C for $69 (after
>>>>rebate), MFC-5440 for $109, same unit with a copy-feeder.
>>>>
>>>>Just all friggin' amazing values, assuming they work, and keep
>>>>working, and are software-compatible for a couple of aging XP
>>>>workstations. I see the Brother wants 128mb, have to check one of the
>>>>PCs for that, may be a problem. Can't seem to find the memory
>>>>requirement for the Lexmark, anybody know? It's not the cost of the
>>>>memory, of course, just the hassle of upgrading.
>>>>
>>>>I like Canon products, but see these little Brothers (!) also use
>>>>separate ink cartridges, an idea I like. The Lexmark runs black and
>>>>then three-color, or black+photo + three-color.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
CANON IS VERY GOOD. LEXMARK IS TOTAL GARBAGE. AND THE BROTHER IS INBETWEEN

>>>>The Lexmark is just unbelievable, it has a little graphic screen to
>>>>give you instructions, not so many years ago this was a high-end
>>>>feature on $25,000 office copiers!
>>>>
>>>>Any advice on these models?
>>>>
>>>>Oh, and a question - can you leave any or all of these in fax-receive
>>>>mode on a line that also has a voice answering machine on it and
>>>>active and still have everything work correctly?
>>>>
>>>>At these prices, does anybody buy straight printers anymore?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Josh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I personally have never thought all-in-one machines made much sense.
>>>My reasoning is that, if one of the functions glitches and goes down,
>>>you loose it all when it goes to the rapair facility because they are
>>>all housed in the same machine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>TOTALLY AGREE
>>
>>
>>
>>>Consider that a perfectly good printer can be had these days for $70
>>>to $100 depending on your needs. You already have fax capabilities
>>>built into Windows XP for free. A great little Canon Lide scanner can
>>>be found for less than $70. There are some freeware software packages
>>>that allow your computer to function as a full function answering
>>>machine. And best of all, if one element goes on the fritz, it can be
>>>replaced for a fraction of what one of the better all-in-ones would
>>>cost you to replace.
>>>
>>>Although you may choose to not heed my advice on the wisdom of
>>>all-in-ones, you'd best take my advice on the following: When it
>>>comes to Lexmark ... be afraid .. be very afraid. They are crap.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>THEY ARE NOT AS GOOD AS CRAP
>>
>>
>
>Jesus, Measekite says he agrees with my post. What's wrong with me?
>I feel like I need a bath.
>
>

Lexmark all in one has a bad reputation for very difficult to install
drivers which often do not work properly. Lexmark printers are cheap to
encourage purchase because they make their money on very costly ink
cartridges.

When considering any inkjet printer, look closely at the cost of
consumables before deciding which is a deal.

Art

JXStern wrote:

> Time to upgrade a couple of healthy print-only's to All-in-Ones, to
> get the ability to copy (monochrome) a dozen pages a week, send and
> receive faxes maybe once a month. Print load on one is typically a
> few pages a day mostly text, the other maybe twenty pages a day, 99%
> text. Basically no hi-resolution photo printing on either.
>
> Local Staples has Canon MP780 for $199 (after rebate), Lexmark X8350
> for $199, and some crazy-cheap Brother models MFC-210C for $69 (after
> rebate), MFC-5440 for $109, same unit with a copy-feeder.
>
> Just all friggin' amazing values, assuming they work, and keep
> working, and are software-compatible for a couple of aging XP
> workstations. I see the Brother wants 128mb, have to check one of the
> PCs for that, may be a problem. Can't seem to find the memory
> requirement for the Lexmark, anybody know? It's not the cost of the
> memory, of course, just the hassle of upgrading.
>
> I like Canon products, but see these little Brothers (!) also use
> separate ink cartridges, an idea I like. The Lexmark runs black and
> then three-color, or black+photo + three-color.
>
> The Lexmark is just unbelievable, it has a little graphic screen to
> give you instructions, not so many years ago this was a high-end
> feature on $25,000 office copiers!
>
> Any advice on these models?
>
> Oh, and a question - can you leave any or all of these in fax-receive
> mode on a line that also has a voice answering machine on it and
> active and still have everything work correctly?
>
> At these prices, does anybody buy straight printers anymore?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Josh
>

Arthur Entlich wrote:

> Lexmark all in one has a bad reputation for

EVERYTHING

> very difficult to install drivers which often do not work properly.
> Lexmark printers are cheap to encourage purchase because they make
> their money on very costly ink cartridges.
>
> When considering any inkjet printer, look closely at the cost of
> consumables before deciding which is a deal.
>
> Art
>
> JXStern wrote:
>
>> Time to upgrade a couple of healthy print-only's to All-in-Ones, to
>> get the ability to copy (monochrome) a dozen pages a week, send and
>> receive faxes maybe once a month. Print load on one is typically a
>> few pages a day mostly text, the other maybe twenty pages a day, 99%
>> text. Basically no hi-resolution photo printing on either.
>>
>> Local Staples has Canon MP780 for $199 (after rebate), Lexmark X8350
>> for $199, and some crazy-cheap Brother models MFC-210C for $69 (after
>> rebate), MFC-5440 for $109, same unit with a copy-feeder.
>>
>> Just all friggin' amazing values, assuming they work, and keep
>> working, and are software-compatible for a couple of aging XP
>> workstations. I see the Brother wants 128mb, have to check one of the
>> PCs for that, may be a problem. Can't seem to find the memory
>> requirement for the Lexmark, anybody know? It's not the cost of the
>> memory, of course, just the hassle of upgrading.
>>
>> I like Canon products, but see these little Brothers (!) also use
>> separate ink cartridges, an idea I like. The Lexmark runs black and
>> then three-color, or black+photo + three-color.
>>
>> The Lexmark is just unbelievable, it has a little graphic screen to
>> give you instructions, not so many years ago this was a high-end
>> feature on $25,000 office copiers!
>>
>> Any advice on these models?
>>
>> Oh, and a question - can you leave any or all of these in fax-receive
>> mode on a line that also has a voice answering machine on it and
>> active and still have everything work correctly?
>>
>> At these prices, does anybody buy straight printers anymore?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Josh
>>

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:16:12 GMT, JXStern <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:


>
>Oh, and a question - can you leave any or all of these in fax-receive
>mode on a line that also has a voice answering machine on it and
>active and still have everything work correctly?
>
>At these prices, does anybody buy straight printers anymore?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Josh

I like my MP780, and yes, you can leave it in fax-receive mode with
your answering machine. I have to set the answering machine to 2
rings, but it all works together.

Sam

On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:20:40 -0700, Sam Grant <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>I like my MP780, and yes, you can leave it in fax-receive mode with
>your answering machine. I have to set the answering machine to 2
>rings, but it all works together.

Thanks to you and all.

So how does that fax/answering thing work, the fax picks up first,
hears only a voice line, then fakes another ring so the answering
machine will pick up? Do you have to plug the answering machine into
the MP780, in series?

Yow.

Not the most important factor, but have long wondered. Guess I should
risk $200 (or $69 for the smallest Brother) and just find out!

J.