Does ATI ever plan to support the AIE 1800XL? I bought this card shortly
before Vista and now, a year later, their website still states:
________
Note: All-in-WonderT boards operate with AMD Windows Vista-Ready Display
Drivers under the Windows Vista Operating System. However there is currently
no software application which provides TV/Capture functionality for
All-in-WonderT boards under Windows Vista.
________

Putting aside the fact that the 'discalimer' is written to sound neutral, as
though this matter is completely out of ATI's hands. Instead, the question
begs: Does ATI ever plan to add Vista AIW support for this card, or are they
just yanking the chains of those who own them rather than flat out state
that AIW owners are SOL, as they have no plans to *ever* support this
expensive card?

Apologies if this sounds like the rant it is. I've patiently checked the web
site on a regular basis for a year now only to be perpetually confronted by
this disclaimer and the realization that I paid entirely too much for a
straight video card when I thought I was buying a multimedia TV card.

Thanks!

Is there 3rd party software that will efficiently run the TV functions of
this card? By efficiently, I mean without crashing, good TV display, etc.

Thanks,
James

"James Colbert" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:NMFbj.7130$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Does ATI ever plan to support the AIE 1800XL? I bought this card shortly
> before Vista and now, a year later, their website still states:
> ________
> Note: All-in-WonderT boards operate with AMD Windows Vista-Ready Display
> Drivers under the Windows Vista Operating System. However there is
currently
> no software application which provides TV/Capture functionality for
> All-in-WonderT boards under Windows Vista.
> ________
>
> Putting aside the fact that the 'discalimer' is written to sound neutral,
as
> though this matter is completely out of ATI's hands. Instead, the question
> begs: Does ATI ever plan to add Vista AIW support for this card, or are
they
> just yanking the chains of those who own them rather than flat out state
> that AIW owners are SOL, as they have no plans to *ever* support this
> expensive card?
>
> Apologies if this sounds like the rant it is. I've patiently checked the
web
> site on a regular basis for a year now only to be perpetually confronted
by
> this disclaimer and the realization that I paid entirely too much for a
> straight video card when I thought I was buying a multimedia TV card.
>
> Thanks!


Don't hold your breath. I'm still ****ed that my Radeon 7200 with video-in
could not be used in Netmeeting though it does work as a capture device
under 9x and XP (not with native drivers). My condolences on running Vista
btw.

"James Colbert" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:NMFbj.7130$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Does ATI ever plan to support the AIE 1800XL? I bought this card shortly
> before Vista and now, a year later, their website still states:
> ________
> Note: All-in-WonderT boards operate with AMD Windows Vista-Ready Display
> Drivers under the Windows Vista Operating System. However there is
> currently no software application which provides TV/Capture functionality
> for All-in-WonderT boards under Windows Vista.

Short answer: Never

You'll need to upgrade your Vista to XP Pro to get functionality back ;-)
You'll gain a whole lot more speed too.

James Colbert wrote:
> Is there 3rd party software that will efficiently run the TV functions
> of this card? By efficiently, I mean without crashing, good TV display,
> etc.

You could try BeyondTV (www.snapstream.com) - there's a free
time-limited, fully-functional demo available.

Vista was written so poorly by Micro$oft that ATI and Nvidia are having a
VERY hard time writing drivers for any of their moderately older video
cards. Blame Microsoft for not consulting with anyone else when they were
concocting the disaster known as Vista.

--
--DaveW
"James Colbert" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:NMFbj.7130$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Does ATI ever plan to support the AIE 1800XL? I bought this card shortly
> before Vista and now, a year later, their website still states:
> ________
> Note: All-in-WonderT boards operate with AMD Windows Vista-Ready Display
> Drivers under the Windows Vista Operating System. However there is
> currently no software application which provides TV/Capture functionality
> for All-in-WonderT boards under Windows Vista.
> ________
>
> Putting aside the fact that the 'discalimer' is written to sound neutral,
> as though this matter is completely out of ATI's hands. Instead, the
> question begs: Does ATI ever plan to add Vista AIW support for this card,
> or are they just yanking the chains of those who own them rather than flat
> out state that AIW owners are SOL, as they have no plans to *ever* support
> this expensive card?
>
> Apologies if this sounds like the rant it is. I've patiently checked the
> web site on a regular basis for a year now only to be perpetually
> confronted by this disclaimer and the realization that I paid entirely too
> much for a straight video card when I thought I was buying a multimedia TV
> card.
>
> Thanks!

DaveW wrote:
> Vista was written so poorly by Micro$oft that ATI and Nvidia are
> having a VERY hard time writing drivers for any of their moderately
> older video cards. Blame Microsoft for not consulting with anyone
> else when they were concocting the disaster known as Vista.

If they can write drivers for their new boards then they can write
drivers for their old ones. Now ask yourself, who benefits from
making old video boards obsolete so that people have to buy new ones?
Is it Microsoft or is it nvidia and ATI?

>> Does ATI ever plan to support the AIE 1800XL? I bought this card
>> shortly before Vista and now, a year later, their website still
>> states: ________
>> Note: All-in-WonderT boards operate with AMD Windows Vista-Ready
>> Display Drivers under the Windows Vista Operating System. However
>> there is currently no software application which provides
>> TV/Capture
>> functionality for All-in-WonderT boards under Windows Vista.
>> ________
>>
>> Putting aside the fact that the 'discalimer' is written to sound
>> neutral, as though this matter is completely out of ATI's hands.
>> Instead, the question begs: Does ATI ever plan to add Vista AIW
>> support for this card, or are they just yanking the chains of those
>> who own them rather than flat out state that AIW owners are SOL, as
>> they have no plans to *ever* support this expensive card?
>>
>> Apologies if this sounds like the rant it is. I've patiently
>> checked
>> the web site on a regular basis for a year now only to be
>> perpetually
>> confronted by this disclaimer and the realization that I paid
>> entirely too much for a straight video card when I thought I was
>> buying a multimedia TV card.
>>
>> Thanks!

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"J. Clarke" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> If they can write drivers for their new boards then they can write
> drivers for their old ones. Now ask yourself, who benefits from
> making old video boards obsolete so that people have to buy new ones?
> Is it Microsoft or is it nvidia and ATI?

Hi John,

It turns out that you are the only responder to realistically address the
question. I really didn't think that this thread would give Vista ranters an
opportunity to vent their frustration, completely off-topic. If ATI can't
manage to write software for Vista, perhaps their time has passed (anyway,
it's the drivers that should present a problem, and they seem to have
managed that...My ATI Vista drivers work fine, I just can't use any of the
capture or media features).

You make the excellent point that ATI may well be using Vista as an
opportunity to increase profits. Also an excellent point is the reality that
they are able to support the newer cards. And the XL1800 is not an old card
by any standard. I bought it just shortly after the Vista beta testing
began.

I have an ATI support ticket pending and am still awaiting an answer. As you
imply, I suspect that I will have to buy a new card to gain this
functionality. However, I do still have TV functionality on my PC via cable
box output component to input component on my monitor. Although the software
solution would be of greater use to me, I refuse to reward ATI's seemingly
strategy of greed by buying another ATI card.

Thanks for the concise contribution to the thread. I suppose I'll start
lookning into 3rd party solutions. Might be better off anyway...

Thanks,
James

ATI finally got back to me. Their 'solution' was to send me a link to a page
with a listing of boards that *do* support Vista, and, even though shortly
after Vista came out, they claimed that mid 2007 would see AIW multimedia
support via CMC, they now show only stand-alone TV tuners as having Vista
support. I guess I'm supposed to buy one of these. Heh!

I guess I'll keep my relatively new XL1800, but I'm sure not going to buy
any more ATI cards. Guess it's back to Hauppauge for those needs. Anyone
have any suggestions for a good tuner board? Other than ATI, of course...

At least ATI finally owned up to the truth, even if in a roundabout way.
That could pass for integrity in *some* circles, right?

James

"James Colbert" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:NMFbj.7130$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Does ATI ever plan to support the AIE 1800XL? I bought this card shortly
> before Vista and now, a year later, their website still states:
> ________
> Note: All-in-WonderT boards operate with AMD Windows Vista-Ready Display
> Drivers under the Windows Vista Operating System. However there is
> currently no software application which provides TV/Capture functionality
> for All-in-WonderT boards under Windows Vista.
> ________
>
> Putting aside the fact that the 'discalimer' is written to sound neutral,
> as though this matter is completely out of ATI's hands. Instead, the
> question begs: Does ATI ever plan to add Vista AIW support for this card,
> or are they just yanking the chains of those who own them rather than flat
> out state that AIW owners are SOL, as they have no plans to *ever* support
> this expensive card?
>
> Apologies if this sounds like the rant it is. I've patiently checked the
> web site on a regular basis for a year now only to be perpetually
> confronted by this disclaimer and the realization that I paid entirely too
> much for a straight video card when I thought I was buying a multimedia TV
> card.
>
> Thanks!

It's been speculated for some time that ATI had completely given up on the
AIW line. That's why there aren't any new AIW models out. There are no
current nVidia cards with built-in tuners, either.

Stay away from ATi tuner cards and get a Hauppauge or LeadTek WinfastTV.
This way the tuner/capture software isn't tied to core graphics driver
releases. You can then update the Catalyst drivers as frequently as desired
to support the latest games, without worrying that the drivers may break the
tuner software.

--
"War is the continuation of politics by other means.
It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"James Colbert" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Fh6fj.4528$(E-Mail Removed)...
> ATI finally got back to me. Their 'solution' was to send me a link to a
> page with a listing of boards that *do* support Vista, and, even though
> shortly after Vista came out, they claimed that mid 2007 would see AIW
> multimedia support via CMC, they now show only stand-alone TV tuners as
> having Vista support. I guess I'm supposed to buy one of these. Heh!
>
> I guess I'll keep my relatively new XL1800, but I'm sure not going to buy
> any more ATI cards. Guess it's back to Hauppauge for those needs. Anyone
> have any suggestions for a good tuner board? Other than ATI, of course...
>
> At least ATI finally owned up to the truth, even if in a roundabout way.
> That could pass for integrity in *some* circles, right?
>
> James
>
> "James Colbert" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:NMFbj.7130$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Does ATI ever plan to support the AIE 1800XL? I bought this card shortly
>> before Vista and now, a year later, their website still states:
>> ________
>> Note: All-in-WonderT boards operate with AMD Windows Vista-Ready Display
>> Drivers under the Windows Vista Operating System. However there is
>> currently no software application which provides TV/Capture functionality
>> for All-in-WonderT boards under Windows Vista.
>> ________
>>
>> Putting aside the fact that the 'discalimer' is written to sound neutral,
>> as though this matter is completely out of ATI's hands. Instead, the
>> question begs: Does ATI ever plan to add Vista AIW support for this card,
>> or are they just yanking the chains of those who own them rather than
>> flat out state that AIW owners are SOL, as they have no plans to *ever*
>> support this expensive card?
>>
>> Apologies if this sounds like the rant it is. I've patiently checked the
>> web site on a regular basis for a year now only to be perpetually
>> confronted by this disclaimer and the realization that I paid entirely
>> too much for a straight video card when I thought I was buying a
>> multimedia TV card.
>>
>> Thanks!
>