On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:47:13 GMT, Robert Redelmeier
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> That's exactly how we started - Power User for normal use,
>> which allows *some* things over User. It didn't last long -
>> they got ****ed with it and took administrators privilege... all
>
>Sounds like a very impatient bunch. Very accident-prone.
>
>> those "auto-updates" on various utility software *were* a PITA.

Yep and they add resident running progs, which slows the startup so people
think they "need a faster computer".:-)

>Who runs with "Auto-Updates" turned on? It's a horrible virus,
>just waiting to strike at the worst possible moment.

We're coming full circle here:-) - auto-updates claim to provide security
fixes which are err, "popular" and it's generally the default on installs
of all software I've seen. Note that Flash is currently going through a
major change in this repect - no more standalone install DLs that I see....
feels suspicious/ominous to me. Is that the pong of DRM I sense?

There's a perversity here: the same people who will insist on leaving M$
auto-update on full time -- or pull them on Patch Tuesday immediately --
"because it's advised by M$", will blithely ignore the strong M$ advice not
to run with admin privilege -- it's in the Help -- when connected to the
Internet. Eventually you give up with the hassle.<shrug>

>> Having to logoff/Ctrl-Alt-Del/logon and repeat to get back
>> and then repeat all over again for every little glitch
>> after an install gets wearisome. Then there's runing
>
>So complain about defective installs. This one ain't the
>OS' fault.

Yeah but... you have to work within the bounds of what you can control.;-)

>> scandisk/defrag etc. and RunAs is err, feeble.
>
>These, like non-Auto-Updating, are admin tasks run during
>an admin session.

M$ Auto Update run like that *can* try anybody's patience and we've already
established that criterion.:-) I'm surprised I haven't read anything about
a recent bungle by M$ here - Auto Update has not worked properly in many
systems for the October patch tuesday fixes: I had 6 systems which failed
with msgs in the log that downloads failed "due to regulation" - no error
pop-up or any other notification - the Update icon would just disappear
from the Systray. It was fixed a week ago and update started to proceed
normally on those systems... not a peep out of M$ on the subject.<shrug>

--
Rgds, George Macdonald

Keith <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)
> says...
> > It's not enabled if you have the real login screen (required for a domain
> > login) rather than the welcome screen with the user icons.
>
> That makes sense, I guess. I don't have a "welcome" screen.

Most people with sense don't.

> > XP Pro does have a "Run As" option if you right-click an executable file
> > or a shortcut to one (such as the start menu.)
>
> Ah, but can I "run as" when installing software? Why doesn't IE
> have a "run as"? Several apps don't seem to have the feechur.
> Thanks.

"Run as" has worked for most setup.exe for me; I've never needed to try it
on an .msi file but it looks like *that* doesn't work.

Some installers will actually request the administrator password from you if
you try to install them as a non-privileged user; I've seen a few other
things prompt like that.

--
Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/

"I do have a cause, though. It is Obscenity. I'm for it." - Tom Lehrer

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Run As does not work properly at all - try using a command which needs
> switches or arguments.

Take a page from unix su, and do a RunAs on cmd.exe ; you can then run
things with switched.

Or do your runas FROM the command line, and include the switches there.

--
Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/

"I do have a cause, though. It is Obscenity. I'm for it." - Tom Lehrer

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:07:01 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) (Nate Edel) wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> Run As does not work properly at all - try using a command which needs
>> switches or arguments.
>
>Take a page from unix su, and do a RunAs on cmd.exe ; you can then run
>things with switched.

A little better I suppose but RunAs on cmd.exe doesn't accept a null
password and when it does work, with a passworded acct., you still don't
have access to some of the commands which have a registry specified
explicit "App Path" like msconfig.exe without specifying the full path to
it. It's all so bloody wearisome.:-)

>Or do your runas FROM the command line, and include the switches there.

That's where it didn't work - I'm tired of trying different permutations
with it - kinda like trying to figure out how to use the COPY command of
MS-DOS.:-)

--
Rgds, George Macdonald