Hi Folks:

I'm still not having luck giving my Win7/64's account access to my
XP account's private folders and files on the same dual boot machine.

I hoped giving both boots the same computer name and both accounts
the same name might allow me to get away with it. But that hasn't worked.

When I open the folder's Properties - Security - Add (Group or user
names) I'm asked to select a location. But the only location available
is the active (XP) boot's computer name. Even if I use a different name
for the Win7 boot, how can I add it to this list?

I hope adding the other boot's computer name to the list will be the
first step in allowing me to share these private files.

I'd prefer to have both boots use the same computer name, but it's
OK if I need to use a different name when running Wini7.

Thanks
Larry

If you boot into an Administrator-level account in your Win7 OS - you
*should* have complete access to all files / folders on the XP drive /
partition!

However, if not then try the following....

First boot to XP

Then open Explorer at the root of drive [c:]

Right-click on the [c:] drive and choose "Properties" from the menu.

Click on the "Security" tab in "(C Properties"

Click on the "Advanced" button.

Locate in the user-list the user named "Everyone" (if there is not an entry
named "Everyone" then create one using the "Add" button).

Give the user "Everyone" Full-Control (i.e. double-click on the "Everyone"
item in the user-list and chackmark the box named "Full Control")

Make sure you change the "Apply onto" box is changed to apply to "This
folder, subfolders and files"

Press [ok] to exit.

It will take a few moments for the permissions to be re-set on the entire
drive.

Re-boot into Win7 and the entire XP drive will be completely accessible to
you.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Larry Lindstrom" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:hufuti$s5i$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Folks:
>
> I'm still not having luck giving my Win7/64's account access to my XP
> account's private folders and files on the same dual boot machine.
>
> I hoped giving both boots the same computer name and both accounts the
> same name might allow me to get away with it. But that hasn't worked.
>
> When I open the folder's Properties - Security - Add (Group or user
> names) I'm asked to select a location. But the only location available
> is the active (XP) boot's computer name. Even if I use a different name
> for the Win7 boot, how can I add it to this list?
>
> I hope adding the other boot's computer name to the list will be the
> first step in allowing me to share these private files.
>
> I'd prefer to have both boots use the same computer name, but it's OK
> if I need to use a different name when running Wini7.
>
> Thanks
> Larry

On 6/6/2010 2:55 PM, Tim Meddick wrote:
> If you boot into an Administrator-level account in your Win7 OS - you
> *should* have complete access to all files / folders on the XP drive /
> partition!
>
> However, if not then try the following....
>
> First boot to XP
>
> Then open Explorer at the root of drive [c:]
>
> Right-click on the [c:] drive and choose "Properties" from the menu.
>
> Click on the "Security" tab in "(C Properties"
>
> Click on the "Advanced" button.
>
> Locate in the user-list the user named "Everyone" (if there is not an
> entry named "Everyone" then create one using the "Add" button).
>
> Give the user "Everyone" Full-Control (i.e. double-click on the
> "Everyone" item in the user-list and chackmark the box named "Full
> Control")
>
> Make sure you change the "Apply onto" box is changed to apply to "This
> folder, subfolders and files"
>
> Press [ok] to exit.
>
> It will take a few moments for the permissions to be re-set on the
> entire drive.
>
> Re-boot into Win7 and the entire XP drive will be completely accessible
> to you.
>
> ==
>
> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
>
>
>
>
> "Larry Lindstrom" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:hufuti$s5i$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi Folks:
>>
>> I'm still not having luck giving my Win7/64's account access to my XP
>> account's private folders and files on the same dual boot machine.
>>
>> I hoped giving both boots the same computer name and both accounts the
>> same name might allow me to get away with it. But that hasn't worked.
>>
>> When I open the folder's Properties - Security - Add (Group or user
>> names) I'm asked to select a location. But the only location available
>> is the active (XP) boot's computer name. Even if I use a different
>> name for the Win7 boot, how can I add it to this list?
>>
>> I hope adding the other boot's computer name to the list will be the
>> first step in allowing me to share these private files.
>>
>> I'd prefer to have both boots use the same computer name, but it's OK
>> if I need to use a different name when running Wini7.

Thanks Tim:

I understand, and I can do that.

But these are private files. I want only my account on XP and my
account on the Win 7/64 boot to have full access to these files.

The computer has the same name and workgroup, and no domain, for
each boot. My account name is the same for each boot.

Under XP the folder's security is set to allow full access to
"larryl" on "DRAGON". But when I re-boot to Win 7 as "larryl" on a
computer named "DRAGON" I'm told I don't have access to those files.

While I'd like to keep both boot's named "DRAGON", I've tried
calling the Win7 boot "DRAGON_64", but attempting to add "DRAGON_64" for
that folder's Properties - Security - Add - Location.

But DRAGON_64 isn't a choice I'm offered.

So, is there some method to allow larryl on a Win7 boot that calls
this computer "DRAGON" to have the full access to larryl's private files
created on the XP boot?

I appreciate your attempt to help me.

Thanks
Larry

The fact you gave both OSs the same username / domain is irrelevant.

A username on a NT-based Windows OS, is, in effect, a friendly name.

For instance, My full username is "Tim" but if you look in the registry,
the computer knows me as user :
S-1-5-21-1957994488-1004336348-682003330-1003

....a unique ID!! Stands to reason doesn't it? As if there were no unique
ID assigned to simple user names, then everyone connected to a network who
happened to have the same username would be able to access each other's
files!!!

Is your Win7 account an administrator-level account?

If so, and you still can't gain access to the XP files, then do as I first
suggested, but instead of adding "Everyone" add "Administrators" (that's
Administrators NOT Administrator) to the users granted access from the root
of [c:] drive.

That way, normal users should not be able to gain access to the "private"
files, but as an admin-level user - you would!

By default, all files and folders on an XP drive, should have granted
access to the Administrators group, but if one has "made this folder
private" then I guess that the Administrators group may have been removed
from the granted user-list.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Larry Lindstrom" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:huhdqp$ap5$(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 6/6/2010 2:55 PM, Tim Meddick wrote:
>> If you boot into an Administrator-level account in your Win7 OS - you
>> *should* have complete access to all files / folders on the XP drive /
>> partition!
>>
>> However, if not then try the following....
>>
>> First boot to XP
>>
>> Then open Explorer at the root of drive [c:]
>>
>> Right-click on the [c:] drive and choose "Properties" from the menu.
>>
>> Click on the "Security" tab in "(C Properties"
>>
>> Click on the "Advanced" button.
>>
>> Locate in the user-list the user named "Everyone" (if there is not an
>> entry named "Everyone" then create one using the "Add" button).
>>
>> Give the user "Everyone" Full-Control (i.e. double-click on the
>> "Everyone" item in the user-list and chackmark the box named "Full
>> Control")
>>
>> Make sure you change the "Apply onto" box is changed to apply to "This
>> folder, subfolders and files"
>>
>> Press [ok] to exit.
>>
>> It will take a few moments for the permissions to be re-set on the
>> entire drive.
>>
>> Re-boot into Win7 and the entire XP drive will be completely accessible
>> to you.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Larry Lindstrom" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:hufuti$s5i$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Hi Folks:
>>>
>>> I'm still not having luck giving my Win7/64's account access to my XP
>>> account's private folders and files on the same dual boot machine.
>>>
>>> I hoped giving both boots the same computer name and both accounts the
>>> same name might allow me to get away with it. But that hasn't worked.
>>>
>>> When I open the folder's Properties - Security - Add (Group or user
>>> names) I'm asked to select a location. But the only location available
>>> is the active (XP) boot's computer name. Even if I use a different
>>> name for the Win7 boot, how can I add it to this list?
>>>
>>> I hope adding the other boot's computer name to the list will be the
>>> first step in allowing me to share these private files.
>>>
>>> I'd prefer to have both boots use the same computer name, but it's OK
>>> if I need to use a different name when running Wini7.
>
> Thanks Tim:
>
> I understand, and I can do that.
>
> But these are private files. I want only my account on XP and my
> account on the Win 7/64 boot to have full access to these files.
>
> The computer has the same name and workgroup, and no domain, for each
> boot. My account name is the same for each boot.
>
> Under XP the folder's security is set to allow full access to "larryl"
> on "DRAGON". But when I re-boot to Win 7 as "larryl" on a computer named
> "DRAGON" I'm told I don't have access to those files.
>
> While I'd like to keep both boot's named "DRAGON", I've tried calling
> the Win7 boot "DRAGON_64", but attempting to add "DRAGON_64" for that
> folder's Properties - Security - Add - Location.
>
> But DRAGON_64 isn't a choice I'm offered.
>
> So, is there some method to allow larryl on a Win7 boot that calls
> this computer "DRAGON" to have the full access to larryl's private files
> created on the XP boot?
>
> I appreciate your attempt to help me.
>
> Thanks
> Larry

On 6/7/2010 11:16 AM, Tim Meddick wrote:
> The fact you gave both OSs the same username / domain is irrelevant.
>
> A username on a NT-based Windows OS, is, in effect, a friendly name.
>
> For instance, My full username is "Tim" but if you look in the registry,
> the computer knows me as user :
> S-1-5-21-1957994488-1004336348-682003330-1003
>
> ...a unique ID!! Stands to reason doesn't it? As if there were no unique
> ID assigned to simple user names, then everyone connected to a network
> who happened to have the same username would be able to access each
> other's files!!!

Thanks again Tim:

That does make sense, which is probably the reason your following
suggestion isn't working.

> Is your Win7 account an administrator-level account?

Yes.

> If so, and you still can't gain access to the XP files, then do as I
> first suggested, but instead of adding "Everyone" add "Administrators"
> (that's Administrators NOT Administrator) to the users granted access
> from the root of [c:] drive.

I did, and that doesn't work either. Probably for the same reason
simple user names don't work. I'm guessing the "Administrators" group
on the XP boot has a different SID from "Administrators" on the Win7
boot. Otherwise, it would be setting itself up for the same
vulnerability you describe above. All "Administrators" group users of
that computer would have access to all files of any computer that grant
access to "Administrators".

When setting up file permissions, with <Properties - Security - Add
- From this location - Add>. The only location is "DRAGON". I'm
guessing this identifies a computer. For some reason my other XP, a
MediaCenter PC, "TFA", is not in the list of locations, even though it
is available in Window Explore "My Network Places".

Just curious, how would I get "TFA", the other PC's name, in that
location list.

That's why the subject for this thread is what it is.

Perhaps I misunderstand the purpose of the location list. If I can
get the Win7 Boot computer referenced in the locations list, is that a
first step in granting these permissions?

As stated, I appreciate your assistance.

Thanks
Larry

Security "Groups" aren't assigned SIDs - only "Users" - that's why I
stressed adding the "Administrators" Group to the user-list and NOT the
(built-in) user named "Administrator"

Please note again the difference :

Administrators = YES
Administrator = NO

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Larry Lindstrom" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:hul2nv$bio$(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 6/7/2010 11:16 AM, Tim Meddick wrote:
>> The fact you gave both OSs the same username / domain is irrelevant.
>>
>> A username on a NT-based Windows OS, is, in effect, a friendly name.
>>
>> For instance, My full username is "Tim" but if you look in the registry,
>> the computer knows me as user :
>> S-1-5-21-1957994488-1004336348-682003330-1003
>>
>> ...a unique ID!! Stands to reason doesn't it? As if there were no unique
>> ID assigned to simple user names, then everyone connected to a network
>> who happened to have the same username would be able to access each
>> other's files!!!
>
> Thanks again Tim:
>
> That does make sense, which is probably the reason your following
> suggestion isn't working.
>
>> Is your Win7 account an administrator-level account?
>
> Yes.
>
>> If so, and you still can't gain access to the XP files, then do as I
>> first suggested, but instead of adding "Everyone" add "Administrators"
>> (that's Administrators NOT Administrator) to the users granted access
>> from the root of [c:] drive.
>
> I did, and that doesn't work either. Probably for the same reason
> simple user names don't work. I'm guessing the "Administrators" group on
> the XP boot has a different SID from "Administrators" on the Win7 boot.
> Otherwise, it would be setting itself up for the same vulnerability you
> describe above. All "Administrators" group users of that computer would
> have access to all files of any computer that grant access to
> "Administrators".
>
> When setting up file permissions, with <Properties - Security - Add -
> From this location - Add>. The only location is "DRAGON". I'm guessing
> this identifies a computer. For some reason my other XP, a MediaCenter
> PC, "TFA", is not in the list of locations, even though it is available
> in Window Explore "My Network Places".
>
> Just curious, how would I get "TFA", the other PC's name, in that
> location list.
>
> That's why the subject for this thread is what it is.
>
> Perhaps I misunderstand the purpose of the location list. If I can
> get the Win7 Boot computer referenced in the locations list, is that a
> first step in granting these permissions?
>
> As stated, I appreciate your assistance.
>
> Thanks
> Larry

On 6/8/2010 12:03 PM, Tim Meddick wrote:
> Security "Groups" aren't assigned SIDs - only "Users" - that's why I
> stressed adding the "Administrators" Group to the user-list and NOT the
> (built-in) user named "Administrator"
>
> Please note again the difference :
>
> Administrators = YES
> Administrator = NO

Thanks Again Tim:

Still no luck.

I went into the drive's root properties, this is actually drive D:,
separate from my C: drive with the system on it.

<Properties - Security - Add>

I've tried different combinations for this window's
"Object Types", this time I left "Built-in security
principals", "Groups" and "Users" all checked.

Then I pasted "Administrators" into the "Enter the
object names to select"

This resulted in the "Group or user names" list adding:

Administrators (DRAGON\Administrators)

I then shut down XP and booted Win7.

The MMC (Microsoft Management Console) was run and "larryl" was
added to the "Administrators" group.

And still no luck.

I have PNG screenshots of all of this. I'm reluctant to post these
in a newsgroup like this. But I can post them if you think it would be
OK, or I could put them on my web page if you think that might be helpful.

I need to spend a day or two on another project. I'll try to keep
an eye on this thread, but responses may be a bit slow.

Thanks
Larry

Larry Lindstrom wrote:
> On 6/8/2010 12:03 PM, Tim Meddick wrote:
>> Security "Groups" aren't assigned SIDs - only "Users" - that's why I
>> stressed adding the "Administrators" Group to the user-list and NOT the
>> (built-in) user named "Administrator"
>>
>> Please note again the difference :
>>
>> Administrators = YES
>> Administrator = NO
>
> Thanks Again Tim:
>
> Still no luck.

You can't have it both ways, Larry, private is private, either the files
are private or they are not. There is no "peeking" at private folders
and there are no varying levels of privacy, it's all or nothing. From
Windows 7 you would need to take ownership of the folder then grant
yourself adequate access rights to the objects within. I can only
suggest that you use standard NTFS permissions to control access to the
files or that you use encryption or a third party solution. Be sure
that you understand the risks of file loss if you decide to use NTFS
encryption!

John

John - the way I see it (the OP's problem) is this ;

I am well aware that he does not want to dismiss the current "private"
status of the XP folders on a dual-boot system.

However, as far as I am aware, making folders "private" does [should] *not*
make those XP folders inaccessible to a user on the Win7 OS who is a member
of the Administrators group!

Members of the Administrators group, on any (previous) NT-based OS, have
access across dual-boot systems, to *any* files and folders on drives
belonging to their opposing OS.

The OP has made sure (partly on my advice) that the folders in question
have been granted Administrators-Group full-access while in the XP OS -
Then, still cannot access those same folders in an Administrator-level user
on the Win7 OS.

Can you explain this anomaly, or do you think this is normal?

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"John John - MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> Larry Lindstrom wrote:
>> On 6/8/2010 12:03 PM, Tim Meddick wrote:
>>> Security "Groups" aren't assigned SIDs - only "Users" - that's why I
>>> stressed adding the "Administrators" Group to the user-list and NOT the
>>> (built-in) user named "Administrator"
>>>
>>> Please note again the difference :
>>>
>>> Administrators = YES
>>> Administrator = NO
>>
>> Thanks Again Tim:
>>
>> Still no luck.
>
> You can't have it both ways, Larry, private is private, either the files
> are private or they are not. There is no "peeking" at private folders
> and there are no varying levels of privacy, it's all or nothing. From
> Windows 7 you would need to take ownership of the folder then grant
> yourself adequate access rights to the objects within. I can only
> suggest that you use standard NTFS permissions to control access to the
> files or that you use encryption or a third party solution. Be sure that
> you understand the risks of file loss if you decide to use NTFS
> encryption!
>
> John

Anyone using M$ Outlook Express as their news reader, will be able to view
any images that you post - be they in-line (as part of the text) or as an
attachment - makes no difference.

Many others will be able to view any images you include as well.

Although, I am obliged to stress that it is strictly *not* what is termed;
accepted "netiquette".

However, for expediency, if you did make an exception, and post any images,
I personally would like to see them (an am able to view them as I use
M$-OE)...

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)



"Larry Lindstrom" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:hunis2$g7v$(E-Mail Removed)...
> On 6/8/2010 12:03 PM, Tim Meddick wrote:
>> Security "Groups" aren't assigned SIDs - only "Users" - that's why I
>> stressed adding the "Administrators" Group to the user-list and NOT the
>> (built-in) user named "Administrator"
>>
>> Please note again the difference :
>>
>> Administrators = YES
>> Administrator = NO
>
> Thanks Again Tim:
>
> Still no luck.
>
> I went into the drive's root properties, this is actually drive D:,
> separate from my C: drive with the system on it.
>
> <Properties - Security - Add>
>
> I've tried different combinations for this window's
> "Object Types", this time I left "Built-in security
> principals", "Groups" and "Users" all checked.
>
> Then I pasted "Administrators" into the "Enter the
> object names to select"
>
> This resulted in the "Group or user names" list adding:
>
> Administrators (DRAGON\Administrators)
>
> I then shut down XP and booted Win7.
>
> The MMC (Microsoft Management Console) was run and "larryl" was added
> to the "Administrators" group.
>
> And still no luck.
>
> I have PNG screenshots of all of this. I'm reluctant to post these in
> a newsgroup like this. But I can post them if you think it would be OK,
> or I could put them on my web page if you think that might be helpful.
>
> I need to spend a day or two on another project. I'll try to keep an
> eye on this thread, but responses may be a bit slow.
>
> Thanks
> Larry
>