I too have been getting Blue Screens ( win32k.sys and nv4_disp.dll) since I
install the latest version. I do not know why Microsoft is taking so long to
fix this beta. I read it will be included with Vista a.k.a. Longhorn. I was
using Ad-Aware Personal and it never crashed as often as this Beta. Microsoft
bought this software from GIANT, a security vendor.

Interesting that you mentioned Vista:

"I also want to thank those customers who are giving us feedback on Beta 1
through the community newsgroups. We hear your feedback and are incorporating it
into the development of Windows Defender Beta 2, which we expect in a couple of
months. Right now our biggest priority is getting Windows Vista out the door."
- http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/

--
Regards, Dave


Dano_y2k2 wrote:
> I too have been getting Blue Screens ( win32k.sys and nv4_disp.dll) since I
> install the latest version. I do not know why Microsoft is taking so long to
> fix this beta. I read it will be included with Vista a.k.a. Longhorn. I was
> using Ad-Aware Personal and it never crashed as often as this Beta. Microsoft
> bought this software from GIANT, a security vendor.

I ran the Malicious Software Removal Tool and all the files, Win32/* and
WinNT/* are not infected. Will Defender be more stable?
"Dave M" wrote:

> Interesting that you mentioned Vista:
>
> "I also want to thank those customers who are giving us feedback on Beta 1
> through the community newsgroups. We hear your feedback and are incorporating it
> into the development of Windows Defender Beta 2, which we expect in a couple of
> months. Right now our biggest priority is getting Windows Vista out the door."
> - http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/
>
> --
> Regards, Dave
>
>
> Dano_y2k2 wrote:
> > I too have been getting Blue Screens ( win32k.sys and nv4_disp.dll) since I
> > install the latest version. I do not know why Microsoft is taking so long to
> > fix this beta. I read it will be included with Vista a.k.a. Longhorn. I was
> > using Ad-Aware Personal and it never crashed as often as this Beta. Microsoft
> > bought this software from GIANT, a security vendor.
>
>
>

Instability is unusual. I'm seeing a number of reports like yours since the
release of the most recent build, but I'm skeptical about whether they are
really related to the beta code in a hard and fast way--there are 18 million
active installs of beta2, and I hope that most of them have upgraded to the
newer build by now. The one machine I saw blue screens on had a couple of
them and seems to have quit.

If you believe that beta1 is causing the crashes, I'd uninstall. If you are
brave/foolhardy, you could try a second install, to see whether that behaves
differently--i.e. is it a flawed/failed installation, rather than a complete
incompatibility. If that one crashes too, I'd get it off the box and await
beta2.

I'm quite sure they'll have paid a great deal of attention to the hooks
beta2 puts into the OS--these need to be both effective, and as invisible in
terms of performance as possible. Microsoft's programmers are likely to be
able to do that well.
--

"Dano_y2k2" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:047C81D3-E61D-49A6-A779-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I ran the Malicious Software Removal Tool and all the files, Win32/* and
> WinNT/* are not infected. Will Defender be more stable?
> "Dave M" wrote:
>
>> Interesting that you mentioned Vista:
>>
>> "I also want to thank those customers who are giving us feedback on Beta
>> 1
>> through the community newsgroups. We hear your feedback and are
>> incorporating it
>> into the development of Windows Defender Beta 2, which we expect in a
>> couple of
>> months. Right now our biggest priority is getting Windows Vista out the
>> door."
>> - http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Dave
>>
>>
>> Dano_y2k2 wrote:
>> > I too have been getting Blue Screens ( win32k.sys and nv4_disp.dll)
>> > since I
>> > install the latest version. I do not know why Microsoft is taking so
>> > long to
>> > fix this beta. I read it will be included with Vista a.k.a. Longhorn. I
>> > was
>> > using Ad-Aware Personal and it never crashed as often as this Beta.
>> > Microsoft
>> > bought this software from GIANT, a security vendor.
>>
>>
>>

There might be a few in here that have tried it... I'm not one of them. I'd
expect it to be much more stable, however it's still going to be released as a
Beta. Undoubtedly, there will be some problems yet to be uncovered when it gets
to the millions of possible user configurations.

The thing is that Ms and their reputation as recent entrants into malware
protection will be on the line. I don't think they can afford to make a blunder
with this code and still maintain any degree of confidence with the userbase.
We all expect a lot from Windows@ Defender after a full year of development, but
they're certainly not going to please everyone of us from the beginning. I hope
to eventually say it's my foremost Spyware protection application, which at the
moment it isn't.
--
Regards, Dave


Dano_y2k2 wrote:
> I ran the Malicious Software Removal Tool and all the files, Win32/* and
> WinNT/* are not infected. Will Defender be more stable?
> "Dave M" wrote:
>
>> Interesting that you mentioned Vista:
>>
>> "I also want to thank those customers who are giving us feedback on Beta 1
>> through the community newsgroups. We hear your feedback and are
>> incorporating it into the development of Windows Defender Beta 2, which we
>> expect in a couple of months. Right now our biggest priority is getting
>> Windows Vista out the door." - http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Dave
>>
>>
>> Dano_y2k2 wrote:
>>> I too have been getting Blue Screens ( win32k.sys and nv4_disp.dll) since I
>>> install the latest version. I do not know why Microsoft is taking so long to
>>> fix this beta. I read it will be included with Vista a.k.a. Longhorn. I was
>>> using Ad-Aware Personal and it never crashed as often as this Beta.
>>> Microsoft bought this software from GIANT, a security vendor.

Windows Defender code will be included in Vista. I expect it will be
removable, and that there will be the ability to plug an alternative
antispyware in to replace it--but I think it will be rock solid in terms of
stability and compatibility issues. The intent, I believe, is to really
lick this problem--so I'd like to see it running on every box, unless the
user chooses an alternative vendor who adds more bells and whistles.

--

"Dave M" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> There might be a few in here that have tried it... I'm not one of them.
> I'd expect it to be much more stable, however it's still going to be
> released as a Beta. Undoubtedly, there will be some problems yet to be
> uncovered when it gets to the millions of possible user configurations.
>
> The thing is that Ms and their reputation as recent entrants into malware
> protection will be on the line. I don't think they can afford to make a
> blunder with this code and still maintain any degree of confidence with
> the userbase. We all expect a lot from Windows@ Defender after a full year
> of development, but they're certainly not going to please everyone of us
> from the beginning. I hope to eventually say it's my foremost Spyware
> protection application, which at the moment it isn't.
> --
> Regards, Dave
>
>
> Dano_y2k2 wrote:
>> I ran the Malicious Software Removal Tool and all the files, Win32/* and
>> WinNT/* are not infected. Will Defender be more stable?
>> "Dave M" wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting that you mentioned Vista:
>>>
>>> "I also want to thank those customers who are giving us feedback on Beta
>>> 1
>>> through the community newsgroups. We hear your feedback and are
>>> incorporating it into the development of Windows Defender Beta 2, which
>>> we
>>> expect in a couple of months. Right now our biggest priority is getting
>>> Windows Vista out the door." - http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards, Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> Dano_y2k2 wrote:
>>>> I too have been getting Blue Screens ( win32k.sys and nv4_disp.dll)
>>>> since I
>>>> install the latest version. I do not know why Microsoft is taking so
>>>> long to
>>>> fix this beta. I read it will be included with Vista a.k.a. Longhorn. I
>>>> was
>>>> using Ad-Aware Personal and it never crashed as often as this Beta.
>>>> Microsoft bought this software from GIANT, a security vendor.
>
>

Hi Bill

I don´t believe that Defendern will be included in Vista.

Every antithrust regulator watch this and even if it´s free
I can see a parallell to WMP.

The dominant actor abuse the arena ............!

--
plun

Bill Sanderson explained on 2005-12-21 :
> Windows Defender code will be included in Vista. I expect it will be
> removable, and that there will be the ability to plug an alternative
> antispyware in to replace it--but I think it will be rock solid in terms of
> stability and compatibility issues. The intent, I believe, is to really lick
> this problem--so I'd like to see it running on every box, unless the user
> chooses an alternative vendor who adds more bells and whistles.
>
> --
>
> "Dave M" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> There might be a few in here that have tried it... I'm not one of them. I'd
>> expect it to be much more stable, however it's still going to be released
>> as a Beta. Undoubtedly, there will be some problems yet to be uncovered
>> when it gets to the millions of possible user configurations.
>>
>> The thing is that Ms and their reputation as recent entrants into malware
>> protection will be on the line. I don't think they can afford to make a
>> blunder with this code and still maintain any degree of confidence with the
>> userbase. We all expect a lot from Windows@ Defender after a full year of
>> development, but they're certainly not going to please everyone of us from
>> the beginning. I hope to eventually say it's my foremost Spyware
>> protection application, which at the moment it isn't.
>> -- Regards, Dave
>>
>>
>> Dano_y2k2 wrote:
>>> I ran the Malicious Software Removal Tool and all the files, Win32/* and
>>> WinNT/* are not infected. Will Defender be more stable?
>>> "Dave M" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting that you mentioned Vista:
>>>>
>>>> "I also want to thank those customers who are giving us feedback on Beta
>>>> 1
>>>> through the community newsgroups. We hear your feedback and are
>>>> incorporating it into the development of Windows Defender Beta 2, which
>>>> we
>>>> expect in a couple of months. Right now our biggest priority is getting
>>>> Windows Vista out the door." - http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dano_y2k2 wrote:
>>>>> I too have been getting Blue Screens ( win32k.sys and nv4_disp.dll)
>>>>> since I
>>>>> install the latest version. I do not know why Microsoft is taking so
>>>>> long to
>>>>> fix this beta. I read it will be included with Vista a.k.a. Longhorn. I
>>>>> was
>>>>> using Ad-Aware Personal and it never crashed as often as this Beta.
>>>>> Microsoft bought this software from GIANT, a security vendor.
>>
>>