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What account can decrypt the file?

 
 
Dmitriy Kopnichev
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      5th Nov 2003
The efsinfo.exe says:
Users who can decrypt (the file):
NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM (ME$(ME$@WORKGROUP))
What account can decrypt the file?
"Data Recovery Agents For This File As Defined By Recovery Policy" is
"Administrator" is written in "Encryption Details for" the file window in
"Advanced Attributes" window.
The only user Name in "Users Who Can Transparently Access This File" in
"Encryption Details for" the file is "ME$(ME$@workgroup)". "ME" was my
computer name before renaming. The renaming was made for joining the domain.
"Workgroup" was my workgroup name. There was not a Local user with "ME" name
before joining the domain.


 
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Roger Abell
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      6th Nov 2003
I believe what efsinfo.exe is saying.
There is an account on each machine, System, that also
is known as the name of the machine with $ at the end
(this is what a domain knows it as).
However, as I recall, you did use the scheduled task trick
and from the cmd windows receive running as System (which
efsinfo say has decrypt capability - something I find wierd)
try using cipher.exe to decrypt the file (right?) and this did
not work. I am stumpted, as it seems you have an encrypted
file with no accounts allowed to decrypt (System does not
really make sense to me).
Out of curiosity, is this an En-Us English version of XP Pro?

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Roger Abell
Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
"Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> The efsinfo.exe says:
> Users who can decrypt (the file):
> NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM (ME$(ME$@WORKGROUP))
> What account can decrypt the file?
> "Data Recovery Agents For This File As Defined By Recovery Policy" is
> "Administrator" is written in "Encryption Details for" the file window in
> "Advanced Attributes" window.
> The only user Name in "Users Who Can Transparently Access This File" in
> "Encryption Details for" the file is "ME$(ME$@workgroup)". "ME" was my
> computer name before renaming. The renaming was made for joining the

domain.
> "Workgroup" was my workgroup name. There was not a Local user with "ME"

name
> before joining the domain.
>
>



 
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Dmitriy Kopnichev
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      6th Nov 2003
Yes. This is an En-Us English version of XP Pro.
"Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I believe what efsinfo.exe is saying.
> There is an account on each machine, System, that also
> is known as the name of the machine with $ at the end
> (this is what a domain knows it as).
> However, as I recall, you did use the scheduled task trick
> and from the cmd windows receive running as System (which
> efsinfo say has decrypt capability - something I find wierd)
> try using cipher.exe to decrypt the file (right?) and this did
> not work. I am stumpted, as it seems you have an encrypted
> file with no accounts allowed to decrypt (System does not
> really make sense to me).
> Out of curiosity, is this an En-Us English version of XP Pro?
>
> --
> Roger Abell
> Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > The efsinfo.exe says:
> > Users who can decrypt (the file):
> > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM (ME$(ME$@WORKGROUP))
> > What account can decrypt the file?
> > "Data Recovery Agents For This File As Defined By Recovery Policy" is
> > "Administrator" is written in "Encryption Details for" the file window

in
> > "Advanced Attributes" window.
> > The only user Name in "Users Who Can Transparently Access This File" in
> > "Encryption Details for" the file is "ME$(ME$@workgroup)". "ME" was my
> > computer name before renaming. The renaming was made for joining the

> domain.
> > "Workgroup" was my workgroup name. There was not a Local user with "ME"

> name
> > before joining the domain.
> >
> >

>
>



 
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Dmitriy Kopnichev
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      6th Nov 2003
When I scheduled the cmd for the first time after a logon a window "run as"
appeared showing my name and asking for my password. Why do you think the
scheduled cmd window runs as System, not me?
"Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I believe what efsinfo.exe is saying.
> There is an account on each machine, System, that also
> is known as the name of the machine with $ at the end
> (this is what a domain knows it as).
> However, as I recall, you did use the scheduled task trick
> and from the cmd windows receive running as System (which
> efsinfo say has decrypt capability - something I find wierd)
> try using cipher.exe to decrypt the file (right?) and this did
> not work. I am stumpted, as it seems you have an encrypted
> file with no accounts allowed to decrypt (System does not
> really make sense to me).
> Out of curiosity, is this an En-Us English version of XP Pro?
>
> --
> Roger Abell
> Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > The efsinfo.exe says:
> > Users who can decrypt (the file):
> > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM (ME$(ME$@WORKGROUP))
> > What account can decrypt the file?
> > "Data Recovery Agents For This File As Defined By Recovery Policy" is
> > "Administrator" is written in "Encryption Details for" the file window

in
> > "Advanced Attributes" window.
> > The only user Name in "Users Who Can Transparently Access This File" in
> > "Encryption Details for" the file is "ME$(ME$@workgroup)". "ME" was my
> > computer name before renaming. The renaming was made for joining the

> domain.
> > "Workgroup" was my workgroup name. There was not a Local user with "ME"

> name
> > before joining the domain.
> >
> >

>
>



 
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Roger Abell
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      6th Nov 2003
Check your system time, say it is 7:25 am
At cmd prompt issue
at 7:30 /INTERACTIVE "cmd"
and wait. When the new cmd windows opens issue
set
Notice what is the userprofile. Also, notice where
cmd opens in the filesystem.
--
Roger Abell
Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
"Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> When I scheduled the cmd for the first time after a logon a window "run

as"
> appeared showing my name and asking for my password. Why do you think the
> scheduled cmd window runs as System, not me?
> "Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I believe what efsinfo.exe is saying.
> > There is an account on each machine, System, that also
> > is known as the name of the machine with $ at the end
> > (this is what a domain knows it as).
> > However, as I recall, you did use the scheduled task trick
> > and from the cmd windows receive running as System (which
> > efsinfo say has decrypt capability - something I find wierd)
> > try using cipher.exe to decrypt the file (right?) and this did
> > not work. I am stumpted, as it seems you have an encrypted
> > file with no accounts allowed to decrypt (System does not
> > really make sense to me).
> > Out of curiosity, is this an En-Us English version of XP Pro?
> >
> > --
> > Roger Abell
> > Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > The efsinfo.exe says:
> > > Users who can decrypt (the file):
> > > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM (ME$(ME$@WORKGROUP))
> > > What account can decrypt the file?
> > > "Data Recovery Agents For This File As Defined By Recovery Policy" is
> > > "Administrator" is written in "Encryption Details for" the file window

> in
> > > "Advanced Attributes" window.
> > > The only user Name in "Users Who Can Transparently Access This File"

in
> > > "Encryption Details for" the file is "ME$(ME$@workgroup)". "ME" was my
> > > computer name before renaming. The renaming was made for joining the

> > domain.
> > > "Workgroup" was my workgroup name. There was not a Local user with

"ME"
> > name
> > > before joining the domain.
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
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Dmitriy Kopnichev
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      6th Nov 2003
USERPROFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\2 - my directory
cmd opens in the filesystem at C:\WINDOWS\system32>
"Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Check your system time, say it is 7:25 am
> At cmd prompt issue
> at 7:30 /INTERACTIVE "cmd"
> and wait. When the new cmd windows opens issue
> set
> Notice what is the userprofile. Also, notice where
> cmd opens in the filesystem.
> --
> Roger Abell
> Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > When I scheduled the cmd for the first time after a logon a window "run

> as"
> > appeared showing my name and asking for my password. Why do you think

the
> > scheduled cmd window runs as System, not me?
> > "Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I believe what efsinfo.exe is saying.
> > > There is an account on each machine, System, that also
> > > is known as the name of the machine with $ at the end
> > > (this is what a domain knows it as).
> > > However, as I recall, you did use the scheduled task trick
> > > and from the cmd windows receive running as System (which
> > > efsinfo say has decrypt capability - something I find wierd)
> > > try using cipher.exe to decrypt the file (right?) and this did
> > > not work. I am stumpted, as it seems you have an encrypted
> > > file with no accounts allowed to decrypt (System does not
> > > really make sense to me).
> > > Out of curiosity, is this an En-Us English version of XP Pro?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Roger Abell
> > > Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> > > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > > "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > The efsinfo.exe says:
> > > > Users who can decrypt (the file):
> > > > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM (ME$(ME$@WORKGROUP))
> > > > What account can decrypt the file?
> > > > "Data Recovery Agents For This File As Defined By Recovery Policy"

is
> > > > "Administrator" is written in "Encryption Details for" the file

window
> > in
> > > > "Advanced Attributes" window.
> > > > The only user Name in "Users Who Can Transparently Access This File"

> in
> > > > "Encryption Details for" the file is "ME$(ME$@workgroup)". "ME" was

my
> > > > computer name before renaming. The renaming was made for joining the
> > > domain.
> > > > "Workgroup" was my workgroup name. There was not a Local user with

> "ME"
> > > name
> > > > before joining the domain.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
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Roger Abell
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      7th Nov 2003
Interesting. For me it is the default user profile

--
Roger Abell
Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
"Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> USERPROFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\2 - my directory
> cmd opens in the filesystem at C:\WINDOWS\system32>
> "Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Check your system time, say it is 7:25 am
> > At cmd prompt issue
> > at 7:30 /INTERACTIVE "cmd"
> > and wait. When the new cmd windows opens issue
> > set
> > Notice what is the userprofile. Also, notice where
> > cmd opens in the filesystem.
> > --
> > Roger Abell
> > Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > When I scheduled the cmd for the first time after a logon a window

"run
> > as"
> > > appeared showing my name and asking for my password. Why do you think

> the
> > > scheduled cmd window runs as System, not me?
> > > "Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > I believe what efsinfo.exe is saying.
> > > > There is an account on each machine, System, that also
> > > > is known as the name of the machine with $ at the end
> > > > (this is what a domain knows it as).
> > > > However, as I recall, you did use the scheduled task trick
> > > > and from the cmd windows receive running as System (which
> > > > efsinfo say has decrypt capability - something I find wierd)
> > > > try using cipher.exe to decrypt the file (right?) and this did
> > > > not work. I am stumpted, as it seems you have an encrypted
> > > > file with no accounts allowed to decrypt (System does not
> > > > really make sense to me).
> > > > Out of curiosity, is this an En-Us English version of XP Pro?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Roger Abell
> > > > Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> > > > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > > > "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > The efsinfo.exe says:
> > > > > Users who can decrypt (the file):
> > > > > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM (ME$(ME$@WORKGROUP))
> > > > > What account can decrypt the file?
> > > > > "Data Recovery Agents For This File As Defined By Recovery Policy"

> is
> > > > > "Administrator" is written in "Encryption Details for" the file

> window
> > > in
> > > > > "Advanced Attributes" window.
> > > > > The only user Name in "Users Who Can Transparently Access This

File"
> > in
> > > > > "Encryption Details for" the file is "ME$(ME$@workgroup)". "ME"

was
> my
> > > > > computer name before renaming. The renaming was made for joining

the
> > > > domain.
> > > > > "Workgroup" was my workgroup name. There was not a Local user with

> > "ME"
> > > > name
> > > > > before joining the domain.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
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Dmitriy Kopnichev
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      10th Nov 2003
How could the profile be default if the schedule wizard asks as who the cmd
will run?
"Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Interesting. For me it is the default user profile
>
> --
> Roger Abell
> Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > USERPROFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\2 - my directory
> > cmd opens in the filesystem at C:\WINDOWS\system32>
> > "Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Check your system time, say it is 7:25 am
> > > At cmd prompt issue
> > > at 7:30 /INTERACTIVE "cmd"
> > > and wait. When the new cmd windows opens issue
> > > set
> > > Notice what is the userprofile. Also, notice where
> > > cmd opens in the filesystem.
> > > --
> > > Roger Abell
> > > Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> > > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > > "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > When I scheduled the cmd for the first time after a logon a window

> "run
> > > as"
> > > > appeared showing my name and asking for my password. Why do you

think
> > the
> > > > scheduled cmd window runs as System, not me?
> > > > "Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > I believe what efsinfo.exe is saying.
> > > > > There is an account on each machine, System, that also
> > > > > is known as the name of the machine with $ at the end
> > > > > (this is what a domain knows it as).
> > > > > However, as I recall, you did use the scheduled task trick
> > > > > and from the cmd windows receive running as System (which
> > > > > efsinfo say has decrypt capability - something I find wierd)
> > > > > try using cipher.exe to decrypt the file (right?) and this did
> > > > > not work. I am stumpted, as it seems you have an encrypted
> > > > > file with no accounts allowed to decrypt (System does not
> > > > > really make sense to me).
> > > > > Out of curiosity, is this an En-Us English version of XP Pro?
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Roger Abell
> > > > > Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> > > > > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > > > > "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > The efsinfo.exe says:
> > > > > > Users who can decrypt (the file):
> > > > > > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM (ME$(ME$@WORKGROUP))
> > > > > > What account can decrypt the file?
> > > > > > "Data Recovery Agents For This File As Defined By Recovery

Policy"
> > is
> > > > > > "Administrator" is written in "Encryption Details for" the file

> > window
> > > > in
> > > > > > "Advanced Attributes" window.
> > > > > > The only user Name in "Users Who Can Transparently Access This

> File"
> > > in
> > > > > > "Encryption Details for" the file is "ME$(ME$@workgroup)". "ME"

> was
> > my
> > > > > > computer name before renaming. The renaming was made for joining

> the
> > > > > domain.
> > > > > > "Workgroup" was my workgroup name. There was not a Local user

with
> > > "ME"
> > > > > name
> > > > > > before joining the domain.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
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Drew Cooper [MSFT]
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      10th Nov 2003
When running in machine context, DPAPI stores the key as an LSA secret. you
won't find the key in a user profile.

I'm not sure, but I believe it is keyed to a user SID. Once the machine was
joined to a domain, the SID used became a domain one - had a domain RID
instead of the old unjoined machine's.

Can you unjoin the machine, then run as system (using task scheduler or the
"at" command) and decrypt?
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"Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> How could the profile be default if the schedule wizard asks as who the

cmd
> will run?
> "Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Interesting. For me it is the default user profile
> >
> > --
> > Roger Abell
> > Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > USERPROFILE=C:\Documents and Settings\2 - my directory
> > > cmd opens in the filesystem at C:\WINDOWS\system32>
> > > "Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > Check your system time, say it is 7:25 am
> > > > At cmd prompt issue
> > > > at 7:30 /INTERACTIVE "cmd"
> > > > and wait. When the new cmd windows opens issue
> > > > set
> > > > Notice what is the userprofile. Also, notice where
> > > > cmd opens in the filesystem.
> > > > --
> > > > Roger Abell
> > > > Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> > > > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > > > "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > When I scheduled the cmd for the first time after a logon a window

> > "run
> > > > as"
> > > > > appeared showing my name and asking for my password. Why do you

> think
> > > the
> > > > > scheduled cmd window runs as System, not me?
> > > > > "Roger Abell" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > I believe what efsinfo.exe is saying.
> > > > > > There is an account on each machine, System, that also
> > > > > > is known as the name of the machine with $ at the end
> > > > > > (this is what a domain knows it as).
> > > > > > However, as I recall, you did use the scheduled task trick
> > > > > > and from the cmd windows receive running as System (which
> > > > > > efsinfo say has decrypt capability - something I find wierd)
> > > > > > try using cipher.exe to decrypt the file (right?) and this did
> > > > > > not work. I am stumpted, as it seems you have an encrypted
> > > > > > file with no accounts allowed to decrypt (System does not
> > > > > > really make sense to me).
> > > > > > Out of curiosity, is this an En-Us English version of XP Pro?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Roger Abell
> > > > > > Microsoft MVP (Windows Server System: Security)
> > > > > > MCSE (W2k3,W2k,Nt4) MCDBA
> > > > > > "Dmitriy Kopnichev" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > The efsinfo.exe says:
> > > > > > > Users who can decrypt (the file):
> > > > > > > NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM (ME$(ME$@WORKGROUP))
> > > > > > > What account can decrypt the file?
> > > > > > > "Data Recovery Agents For This File As Defined By Recovery

> Policy"
> > > is
> > > > > > > "Administrator" is written in "Encryption Details for" the

file
> > > window
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > "Advanced Attributes" window.
> > > > > > > The only user Name in "Users Who Can Transparently Access This

> > File"
> > > > in
> > > > > > > "Encryption Details for" the file is "ME$(ME$@workgroup)".

"ME"
> > was
> > > my
> > > > > > > computer name before renaming. The renaming was made for

joining
> > the
> > > > > > domain.
> > > > > > > "Workgroup" was my workgroup name. There was not a Local user

> with
> > > > "ME"
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > > before joining the domain.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
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