Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.

Thank you all for yesterday's advice about the win2000 box and
monitor. It's working now.

I also just got a second win2000 computer I'm supposed to fix up, and
it won't boot at all.

Using any of the Safe modes displays a line for each file loaded and
there are only 5 or 6 when it tries to load

C:\WINNT\System32\config\system and then its copy
system.alt .

Neither works I presume and the next line is a message that the first
one is missing or corrupt.

If this were win98 or 95 or 3.1, I would boot into DOS and look
around. I would get another copy of the file from the net or someone
I know and copy it in.

It's not that easy with win2000 or XP, is it? Assuming I could get a
copy of this file (and it wasn't an unusual file like "System", and
assume the partition used on the computer is NTFS, how can I copy it
in, short of moving the harddrive to another computer to be a slave
drive? And short of reinstalling win2000.

Is there any kind of small bootable OS that will fit on a floppy that
will write a file to an NTFS partiton. I can change the BIOS to
boot from a CD. Is there any large bootable non-expensive OS that
will write a file to an NTFS partition?

Can win2000 also read FAT32? If it turns out the partition is FAT32,
can I copy a file to a CD, boot with a DOS 7 or 8*** boot disk with CD
support, ***the DOS that precedes or introduces win98, and then copy
in the file? The answer is NO, right, because DOS doesn't understand
NTFS. There never was and never will be a DOS that understands
NTFS??

So how are people supposed to repair a windows NT, 2000, or XP
installation if they only have one OS on their hard drive, like most
people do?

Thanks for any help you can give.

See other post of 4 minutes later.

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Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
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"mm" wrote:
> Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.
>
> Thank you all for yesterday's advice about the win2000 box and
> monitor. It's working now.
>
> I also just got a second win2000 computer I'm supposed to fix up, and
> it won't boot at all.
>
> Using any of the Safe modes displays a line for each file loaded and
> there are only 5 or 6 when it tries to load
>
> C:\WINNT\System32\config\system and then its copy
> system.alt .
>
> Neither works I presume and the next line is a message that the first
> one is missing or corrupt.
>
> If this were win98 or 95 or 3.1, I would boot into DOS and look
> around. I would get another copy of the file from the net or someone
> I know and copy it in.
>
> It's not that easy with win2000 or XP, is it? Assuming I could get a
> copy of this file (and it wasn't an unusual file like "System", and
> assume the partition used on the computer is NTFS, how can I copy it
> in, short of moving the harddrive to another computer to be a slave
> drive? And short of reinstalling win2000.
>
> Is there any kind of small bootable OS that will fit on a floppy that
> will write a file to an NTFS partiton. I can change the BIOS to
> boot from a CD. Is there any large bootable non-expensive OS that
> will write a file to an NTFS partition?
>
> Can win2000 also read FAT32? If it turns out the partition is FAT32,
> can I copy a file to a CD, boot with a DOS 7 or 8*** boot disk with CD
> support, ***the DOS that precedes or introduces win98, and then copy
> in the file? The answer is NO, right, because DOS doesn't understand
> NTFS. There never was and never will be a DOS that understands
> NTFS??
>
> So how are people supposed to repair a windows NT, 2000, or XP
> installation if they only have one OS on their hard drive, like most
> people do?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.

On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:52:41 -0400, mm <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

[snip]

>Is there any kind of small bootable OS that will fit on a floppy that
> will write a file to an NTFS partiton. I can change the BIOS to
>boot from a CD. Is there any large bootable non-expensive OS that
>will write a file to an NTFS partition?
>
Suggest you get a linux live CD for emergency use. There are many
flavours (e.g. Ubuntu 9.04) which will read from, and write to,
NTFS and FAT32 partitions. And it's free.


___________________
Graeme Challinor

mm wrote:
> Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.
>
<<snip>>
>

Actually, there is a way to do it from DOS.

http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html

http://www.free-av.com/documents/pro...os_pers_en.pdf

That is more a trivia item, than something practical. If
you're a real DOS person, maybe it would be more meaningful
to you. I find it takes me too long to get my DOS boot
floppy all set up just right for the task at hand.

I use a Linux LiveCD (Knoppix), when I want to do some maintenance
on FAT32 or NTFS partitions.

Paul

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:00:33 +1000, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:52:41 -0400, mm <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>Is there any kind of small bootable OS that will fit on a floppy that
>> will write a file to an NTFS partiton. I can change the BIOS to
>>boot from a CD. Is there any large bootable non-expensive OS that
>>will write a file to an NTFS partition?
>>
>Suggest you get a linux live CD for emergency use. There are many
>flavours (e.g. Ubuntu 9.04) which will read from, and write to,
>NTFS and FAT32 partitions. And it's free.

My plan is to do what Dave says, but this sounds very good too.

I've been hoping to learn something about Linux for a long time.

Thanks to you and Paul.
>
>
>___________________
>Graeme Challinor
>
>

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:51:33 -0400, Paul <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.
>>
><<snip>>
>>
>
>Actually, there is a way to do it from DOS.
>
>http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html
>
>http://www.free-av.com/documents/pro...os_pers_en.pdf

Thanks.

>That is more a trivia item, than something practical. If
>you're a real DOS person, maybe it would be more meaningful
>to you. I find it takes me too long to get my DOS boot
>floppy all set up just right for the task at hand.
>
>I use a Linux LiveCD (Knoppix), when I want to do some maintenance
>on FAT32 or NTFS partitions.

Sounds good.

What is the difference between the ones with Adriane and the ones
without Adriane, like:

KNOPPIX_V6.0.1-ADRIANE_V1.1CD-2009-02-08-EN.iso versus

KNOPPIX_V6.0.1CD-2009-02-08-EN.iso

The first is 660558 KB 2/10/09 11:53:00 AM
and the second is the same but 2 minutes later.

at
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/

> Paul
>

mm wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:51:33 -0400, Paul <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> mm wrote:
>>> Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.
>>>
>> <<snip>>
>> Actually, there is a way to do it from DOS.
>>
>> http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/a..._personal.html
>>
>> http://www.free-av.com/documents/pro...os_pers_en.pdf
>
> Thanks.
>
>> That is more a trivia item, than something practical. If
>> you're a real DOS person, maybe it would be more meaningful
>> to you. I find it takes me too long to get my DOS boot
>> floppy all set up just right for the task at hand.
>>
>> I use a Linux LiveCD (Knoppix), when I want to do some maintenance
>> on FAT32 or NTFS partitions.
>
> Sounds good.
>
> What is the difference between the ones with Adriane and the ones
> without Adriane, like:
>
> KNOPPIX_V6.0.1-ADRIANE_V1.1CD-2009-02-08-EN.iso versus
>
> KNOPPIX_V6.0.1CD-2009-02-08-EN.iso
>
> The first is 660558 KB 2/10/09 11:53:00 AM
> and the second is the same but 2 minutes later.
>
> at
> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/
>
>> Paul
>>
>

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix60-en.html

"A.D.R.I.A.N.E. (Audio Desktop Reference Implementation And Networking Environment)
is a talking menu system, which is supposed to make work and internet
access easier for computer beginners, even if they have no sight
contact to the computers monitor. A graphical environment with also
talking programs and arbitrary magnification using compiz-fusion,
is another option."

The Adriane option helps if you're visually impaired.

Paul

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:34:57 -0400, Paul <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>
>http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix60-en.html
>
> "A.D.R.I.A.N.E. (Audio Desktop Reference Implementation And Networking Environment)
> is a talking menu system, which is supposed to make work and internet
> access easier for computer beginners, even if they have no sight
> contact to the computers monitor. A graphical environment with also
> talking programs and arbitrary magnification using compiz-fusion,
> is another option."
>
>The Adriane option helps if you're visually impaired.
>
> Paul

Thanks again. I'm semding a copy of this to my friend Adriane.

I guess I'll use the other one.
>