I have a new notebook & the AC Power Adapter feels quite warm. It supplies
power & charges the batter. This may be normal, but since the notebook is
new, I would like to know whether this is quite normal.

Also, what size (joles) surge protector is best for this type of computer?

Elsie wrote:
> I have a new notebook & the AC Power Adapter feels quite warm. It
> supplies power & charges the batter. This may be normal, but since
> the notebook is new, I would like to know whether this is quite
> normal.
>
> Also, what size (joles) surge protector is best for this type of
> computer?

Ask those you bought it from while it is still new.
This has nothing to do with Windows XP at all - it is a hardware issue.

In other words - it wouldn;t matter if you were running OS X, *nix or any
other OS on the system in question - your questions do not concern the
Operating System, but the hardware and thus questions like that should be
directed to the manufacturer/reseller of said laptop.

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Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Thanks!

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> Elsie wrote:
> > I have a new notebook & the AC Power Adapter feels quite warm. It
> > supplies power & charges the batter. This may be normal, but since
> > the notebook is new, I would like to know whether this is quite
> > normal.
> >
> > Also, what size (joles) surge protector is best for this type of
> > computer?
>
> Ask those you bought it from while it is still new.
> This has nothing to do with Windows XP at all - it is a hardware issue.
>
> In other words - it wouldn;t matter if you were running OS X, *nix or any
> other OS on the system in question - your questions do not concern the
> Operating System, but the hardware and thus questions like that should be
> directed to the manufacturer/reseller of said laptop.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
>

"Elsie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:80DA8E3D-13C1-4821-AFC0-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have a new notebook & the AC Power Adapter feels quite warm. It supplies
> power & charges the batter. This may be normal, but since the notebook is
> new, I would like to know whether this is quite normal.
>
> Also, what size (joles) surge protector is best for this type of computer?


Elsie:
It's quite normal for the battery charger/adapter to feel warm to the
touch. It would be unusual it if didn't. But of course it should never feel
so hot to the touch that it's uncomfortable. Since you're (apparently)
having no problems with your new notebook I wouldn't be concerned with it.

As to the surge protector...

There are any number of "buying guides" available on the net. Why don't you
do a Google search on "purchasing surge protector"? Here's a good one to get
you started...
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/surge-protector7.htm
Anna

Thanks very much for your help. You've been "very kind" to reply to my
questions!

"Anna" wrote:

>
> "Elsie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:80DA8E3D-13C1-4821-AFC0-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I have a new notebook & the AC Power Adapter feels quite warm. It supplies
> > power & charges the batter. This may be normal, but since the notebook is
> > new, I would like to know whether this is quite normal.
> >
> > Also, what size (joles) surge protector is best for this type of computer?
>
>
> Elsie:
> It's quite normal for the battery charger/adapter to feel warm to the
> touch. It would be unusual it if didn't. But of course it should never feel
> so hot to the touch that it's uncomfortable. Since you're (apparently)
> having no problems with your new notebook I wouldn't be concerned with it.
>
> As to the surge protector...
>
> There are any number of "buying guides" available on the net. Why don't you
> do a Google search on "purchasing surge protector"? Here's a good one to get
> you started...
> http://computer.howstuffworks.com/surge-protector7.htm
> Anna
>
>
>

Elsie wrote:
> I have a new notebook & the AC Power Adapter feels quite warm. It
> supplies power & charges the batter. This may be normal, but
> since the notebook is new, I would like to know whether this is
> quite normal.
>
> Also, what size (joles) surge protector is best for this type of
> computer?

Shenan wrote:
> Ask those you bought it from while it is still new.
> This has nothing to do with Windows XP at all - it is a hardware
> issue.
>
> In other words - it wouldn't matter if you were running OS X, *nix
> or any other OS on the system in question - your questions do not
> concern the Operating System, but the hardware and thus questions
> like that should be directed to the manufacturer/reseller of said
> laptop.

Elsie wrote:
> Thanks!


No problem...

Know this - you will want to make sure you have your power adapter in hand
when you contact the manufacturer. Have them verify that the power supply
in question is not one of the ones that was recalled. MANY laptop (and
other chargers/batteries) have been recalled over the last year because of
'fire' concerns. You should go ahead and verify neither your battery nor
power supply qualifies for swap.

As for a surge protector - any will likely do for home use and for mobile
use - look for one at your local store for laptops. It will be for laptops
mostly because it is portable.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Anna wrote:
> As to the surge protector...
>
> There are any number of "buying guides" available on the net. Why don't you
> do a Google search on "purchasing surge protector"? Here's a good one to get
> you started...
> http://computer.howstuffworks.com/surge-protector7.htm

Same scam that promotes Listerine as some kind of miracle mouth
solution also promotes those plug-in protectors to the naive. Do you
really think that silly little strip will stop what three miles could
not? And yet that is what some of those 'buying guides' are promoting.

As even Ben Franklin demonstrated in 1752, surges are not stop or
absorbed by some miracle device. Either a surge finds earth ground
destructively via a church steeple or household appliance, or it is
shunted (diverted, connected) to earth via a non-destructive path.
What is THE most critical item in protection? Earthing. What do those
grossly overpriced and ineffective protectors not have and not discuss?
Earthing.

The HowStuffWorks discussion is particularly appalling. But again,
it promotes a device that somehow will stop what miles of sky could not
- and other classic urban myths.

First page of that HowStuffWorks myth is discussed previously in
"Computer problem need help" posted on 1 Aug 2002:
http://tinyurl.com/yqyah

Meanwhile effective solutions - that are standard protection even 70
years ago - is discussed in another post complete with responsible
protector manufacturers. Does your telco, connected to overhead wires
everywhere in town, use plug-in protectors? Of course not. They need
protectors that work. That means earthing. Did you know your telco
even installs a 'whole house' protector where your phone line enters
the building? Those who promote mythical protectors fear you might
learn why the telco earths your protector for free. Because it is so
inexpensive and so effective. It actually does what the plug-in
protector cannot accomplish - protect from the typically destructive
surge. The effective telephone line protector is not discussed where
ineffective plug-in devices are promoted. Earthing is completely
avoided where plug-in protectors are promoted. But no earth ground
means no effective protection.

Even the IEEE Standards define what is required for protection. From
IEEE Red Book (IEEE Standard 141):
> In actual practice, lightning protection is achieve by the
> process of interception of lightning produced surges,
> diverting them to ground, and by altering their
> associated wave shapes.

NO earth ground means no effective protection. One 'whole house'
protector is required on AC electric where those wires enter the
building and make a 'less than 10 foot' connection to an earthing
electrode. That earthing electrode as even required by post 1990
National Electrical Code. Where does HowStuffWorks discuss any of this?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
> As for a surge protector - any will likely do for home use and for mobile
> use - look for one at your local store for laptops. It will be for laptops
> mostly because it is portable.

Those plug-in surge protectors do not even claim to protect
elecctronics from they type of surge that typically causes damage.
Don't believe it? Then get its numerical specifications that list
protection for each type of transient. They don't claim such
protection. They do make the classic WMD claim. IOW they would have
you assume all surges are same.

Meanwhile, another problem with these ineffective protectors:
http://www.westwhitelandfire.com/Art...Protectors.pdf
http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=556&parent=554
http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html
http://www.nmsu.edu/~safety/programs...tectorfire.htm

How to identify an ineffective protector? 1) No dedicated earthing
wire. 2) Manufacturer avoids all discussion about earthing.

Effective protectors make that essential connection to earth.
Manufacturers with more reponsible brand names include Cutler-Hammer,
Leviton, Intermatic, Square D, Siemens, and GE. Effective 'whole
house' protector is sold in Home Depot, Lowes, and electrical supply
houses. Never saw an effective protector nor reponsible brand names in
Radio Shack, Sears, Staples, Wal-Mart, Circuit City, or the grocery
store. How do you identify these ineffective and grossly overpriced
products? Where is the dedicated earthing wire? Protectors hyped to
the naive promote word association as science: 'surge protector'
sounds like 'surge protection'. Therefore it must be same.

No earth ground means no effective protection - even for the laptop.
Effective protection means an earth surge does not overwhelm protection
already inside the laptop.

w_tom wrote:
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
> As for a surge protector - any will likely do for home use and for
> mobile use - look for one at your local store for laptops. It
> will be for laptops mostly because it is portable.


> Those plug-in surge protectors do not even claim to protect
> electronics from they type of surge that typically causes damage.
> Don't believe it? Then get its numerical specifications that list
> protection for each type of transient. They don't claim such
> protection. They do make the classic WMD claim. IOW they would
> have you assume all surges are same.
>
> Meanwhile, another problem with these ineffective protectors:
> http://www.westwhitelandfire.com/Art...Protectors.pdf
> http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=556&parent=554
> http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html
> http://www.nmsu.edu/~safety/programs...tectorfire.htm
>
> How to identify an ineffective protector? 1) No dedicated earthing
> wire. 2) Manufacturer avoids all discussion about earthing.
>
> Effective protectors make that essential connection to earth.
> Manufacturers with more reponsible brand names include
> Cutler-Hammer, Leviton, Intermatic, Square D, Siemens, and GE.
> Effective 'whole house' protector is sold in Home Depot, Lowes, and
> electrical supply houses. Never saw an effective protector nor
> reponsible brand names in Radio Shack, Sears, Staples, Wal-Mart,
> Circuit City, or the grocery store. How do you identify these
> ineffective and grossly overpriced products? Where is the
> dedicated earthing wire? Protectors hyped to the naive promote
> word association as science: 'surge protector' sounds like 'surge
> protection'. Therefore it must be same.
>
> No earth ground means no effective protection - even for the
> laptop. Effective protection means an earth surge does not
> overwhelm protection already inside the laptop.

One assumes that you have a earth ground in your home. That's how a surge
suppressor works - redirecting excess power to your earth ground instead of
your devices - where all the power may have went to the devices instead...

For older homes, this may not be true... A $5=$12 item can help find out if
you have a grounded outlet.
You can get whole-house protection from your local utility company (if they
the utility company that is - are worthwhile) for $3-$10/month.

And in the end - even the cheaper surge protectors do provide some
protection against something - as I have witnessed devices plugged into the
same outlet (one with a cheapo power strip, one straight in an outlet) prove
it by the device not plugged into the strip destroyed during an electrical
storm, while the only thing destroyed for the devices in the 6 outlet strip
was the strip.

What am I saying?
$7 of protection is better than $0 in protection and if you want to get all
technical - get the other protection (whole home, etc..) as well. The more
the better - especially since we all depend on electrical devices so much.

--
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MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

In article <80DA8E3D-13C1-4821-AFC0-(E-Mail Removed)>,
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> I have a new notebook & the AC Power Adapter feels quite warm. It supplies
> power & charges the batter. This may be normal, but since the notebook is
> new, I would like to know whether this is quite normal.

Please ignore w_tom as he searches Usenet for posts that contain the
word "Power" and then rants that UPS's cant provide any protection.

Now, every Laptop I've used in the last 5 years has had an adapter that
was always warm after normal/extended use. My current 17" wide screen
laptop adapter actually gets very warm, but not enough to concern me
about damage.

Many laptops ship with the lesser of two size adapters - you can
sometimes get a higher-power adapter that should feel cooler.

> Also, what size (joles) surge protector is best for this type of computer?

On my laptops I also never use a UPS, and never a surge protector
device. My laptops are just not stationary enough to use one.

If yours is stationary enough, get an APC unit rated for 700VA or
higher, the ones of that size are normally going to provider better
protection than anything smaller (and don't buy Belkin). Also, don't
bypass the ground prong on the UPS/AC Outlet.

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