I am running this under vmware just to complicate matters...my envirnment is
gnome, i think..all i can use is the vesa driver...what can i use that works
better....i downloaded the latest frebsd from ati but it crashes x
server...i am a complete linux noob so please use small words :-)

i took me a while to figure out that a .pl was an exe file....

Help
Steve

Which linux distro are you using - RedHat, Slackware, Debian, Huh??

Gnome is just an application set - has no significance in your post.

Whether or not a file is executable in UNIX/Linux has nothing to do with the
file's extension. There is nothing inherently executable about the extension
..pl. What DOES determine whether a file is executable or not is a
combination of the file's "executable" attribute in the file system and
whether or not the file is a shell script and or conforms to the Linux
Binary executable specification (ELF).

Basically, you could have a file called "blahblah.cheesecakes". as long as
the file has an executable attribute on it (chmod +x) it will work like a
windows .exe.

You can download the appropriate 9800 Linux driver per X server version from
here

http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/l...=15&submit.y=4

After that.............. ah, just fool around with it. You'll get it
eventually.

--
Tony DiMarzio
(E-Mail Removed)
(E-Mail Removed)


"Steve D" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:CJAUc.25600$Yl.8591@okepread07...
> I am running this under vmware just to complicate matters...my envirnment
is
> gnome, i think..all i can use is the vesa driver...what can i use that
works
> better....i downloaded the latest frebsd from ati but it crashes x
> server...i am a complete linux noob so please use small words :-)
>
> i took me a while to figure out that a .pl was an exe file....
>
> Help
> Steve
>
>

Tony DiMarzio wrote:
> Which linux distro are you using - RedHat, Slackware, Debian, Huh??
>
> Gnome is just an application set - has no significance in your post.
>
> Whether or not a file is executable in UNIX/Linux has nothing to do with the
> file's extension. There is nothing inherently executable about the extension
> .pl. What DOES determine whether a file is executable or not is a
> combination of the file's "executable" attribute in the file system and
> whether or not the file is a shell script and or conforms to the Linux
> Binary executable specification (ELF).
>
> Basically, you could have a file called "blahblah.cheesecakes". as long as
> the file has an executable attribute on it (chmod +x) it will work like a
> windows .exe.
>
> You can download the appropriate 9800 Linux driver per X server version from
> here
>
> http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/l...=15&submit.y=4
>
> After that.............. ah, just fool around with it. You'll get it
> eventually.
>
Didn't the original poster state that he was running linux in a VMWare
session? If so downloading and installing the ATI linux driver won't do
any good as the virtual video card that VMWare provides is a basic VESA
compatible card, hence why he can only get VESA driver working.

If he wants to utilise the full native capabilities of his card the best
thing to do would be to create some space on the hard drive for a new
dedicated partition or alternatively, buy another decent sized hard
drive (an 80GB drive these days is only £60) and install linux directly
onto the available partition/drive.

This will then allow linux to recognise all of the available physical
hardware in the machine including the 9800pro. Now if you download the
Linux driver from ATI's website and fool around with it, you'll
eventually get it working with full hardware support.

The Alternative is to use a VMWare supported version of Linux, i.e.
Redhat, Mandrake, Suse etc and follow the instructions for installing
linux (usually involves using the text only installer, not the graphical
installer) and once linux is installed, then installing the VMWare Tools
package which installs the VMWare X Server and mouse/keyboard support.

Note regarding VMWare: VMware provides you with a virtual machine
environment that you can use to run any kind of X86 compatible OS. What
it *does not* do is provide each native virtual machine with an exact
copy of your hardware. In other words each VM *does not* have it's own
9800pro to play with.

VMWare uses known hardware emulation for various devices which may exist
on your phsyical machine. For example your physical machine may have a
3Com Gigabit Ethernet NIC but each of your Virtual Machines uses an AMD
PCNET Family PCI NIC. In the same way your physical PC has an ATI 9800
Pro in it each of your virtual machines have a VMWare SVGA II video
adaptor (in my VMWare V4.5 it's a VMWare SVGA II anyway).

--
JasonB

To reply, replace nospam4me with blueyonder

Hmmm... My bad. I didn't realize VMWare had anything to do with anything in
this situation. That's because I've never used it and as such was unaware
that it emulates hardware (guess the Virtual Machine should have gave that
away though). As it stands I can boot 5 different OS's right now using
either NTLDR or LILO, having each OS lie on its own partition. With good
partitioning tools like Partition Magic it's so easy to throw new OS's all
over the place without ever losing a bit of important data that I've never
even thought about downloading VMWare. Throw some nasty VMWare emulation in
the mix and I'm sure to stick with multi-booting indefinitely. I guess the
driving point of VMWare is the ability to run multiple OS's simultaneously
in different Virtual Machines that lie in physical RAM... but the notion
makes my stomach turn. It's just not a clean way to do things... I'm done
rambling.

In light of this VMWare crap, what he should do is what you stated below -
fire up Linux on it's own separate partition and then install the ATI Linux
driver per ATI provided instructions.

--
Tony DiMarzio
(E-Mail Removed)
(E-Mail Removed)


"JasonB" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:ENJUc.157422$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Tony DiMarzio wrote:
> > Which linux distro are you using - RedHat, Slackware, Debian, Huh??
> >
> > Gnome is just an application set - has no significance in your post.
> >
> > Whether or not a file is executable in UNIX/Linux has nothing to do with
the
> > file's extension. There is nothing inherently executable about the
extension
> > .pl. What DOES determine whether a file is executable or not is a
> > combination of the file's "executable" attribute in the file system and
> > whether or not the file is a shell script and or conforms to the Linux
> > Binary executable specification (ELF).
> >
> > Basically, you could have a file called "blahblah.cheesecakes". as long
as
> > the file has an executable attribute on it (chmod +x) it will work like
a
> > windows .exe.
> >
> > You can download the appropriate 9800 Linux driver per X server version
from
> > here
> >
> >
http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/l...=15&submit.y=4
> >
> > After that.............. ah, just fool around with it. You'll get it
> > eventually.
> >
> Didn't the original poster state that he was running linux in a VMWare
> session? If so downloading and installing the ATI linux driver won't do
> any good as the virtual video card that VMWare provides is a basic VESA
> compatible card, hence why he can only get VESA driver working.
>
> If he wants to utilise the full native capabilities of his card the best
> thing to do would be to create some space on the hard drive for a new
> dedicated partition or alternatively, buy another decent sized hard
> drive (an 80GB drive these days is only £60) and install linux directly
> onto the available partition/drive.
>
> This will then allow linux to recognise all of the available physical
> hardware in the machine including the 9800pro. Now if you download the
> Linux driver from ATI's website and fool around with it, you'll
> eventually get it working with full hardware support.
>
> The Alternative is to use a VMWare supported version of Linux, i.e.
> Redhat, Mandrake, Suse etc and follow the instructions for installing
> linux (usually involves using the text only installer, not the graphical
> installer) and once linux is installed, then installing the VMWare Tools
> package which installs the VMWare X Server and mouse/keyboard support.
>
> Note regarding VMWare: VMware provides you with a virtual machine
> environment that you can use to run any kind of X86 compatible OS. What
> it *does not* do is provide each native virtual machine with an exact
> copy of your hardware. In other words each VM *does not* have it's own
> 9800pro to play with.
>
> VMWare uses known hardware emulation for various devices which may exist
> on your phsyical machine. For example your physical machine may have a
> 3Com Gigabit Ethernet NIC but each of your Virtual Machines uses an AMD
> PCNET Family PCI NIC. In the same way your physical PC has an ATI 9800
> Pro in it each of your virtual machines have a VMWare SVGA II video
> adaptor (in my VMWare V4.5 it's a VMWare SVGA II anyway).
>
> --
> JasonB
>
> To reply, replace nospam4me with blueyonder

thanks all....i am somewhat of a windows expert....i am a network engineer
by trade....it is really wierd to be in front of a computer and have NO
FRIGGIN IDEA how to do anything...i am on a linux mission...maybe i will be
a convert...time will tell..thanks again
Steve

"Tony DiMarzio" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:hpadnWu8HYCT8L7cRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hmmm... My bad. I didn't realize VMWare had anything to do with anything
in
> this situation. That's because I've never used it and as such was unaware
> that it emulates hardware (guess the Virtual Machine should have gave that
> away though). As it stands I can boot 5 different OS's right now using
> either NTLDR or LILO, having each OS lie on its own partition. With good
> partitioning tools like Partition Magic it's so easy to throw new OS's all
> over the place without ever losing a bit of important data that I've never
> even thought about downloading VMWare. Throw some nasty VMWare emulation
in
> the mix and I'm sure to stick with multi-booting indefinitely. I guess the
> driving point of VMWare is the ability to run multiple OS's simultaneously
> in different Virtual Machines that lie in physical RAM... but the notion
> makes my stomach turn. It's just not a clean way to do things... I'm done
> rambling.
>
> In light of this VMWare crap, what he should do is what you stated below -
> fire up Linux on it's own separate partition and then install the ATI
Linux
> driver per ATI provided instructions.
>
> --
> Tony DiMarzio
> (E-Mail Removed)
> (E-Mail Removed)
>
>
> "JasonB" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:ENJUc.157422$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Tony DiMarzio wrote:
> > > Which linux distro are you using - RedHat, Slackware, Debian, Huh??
> > >
> > > Gnome is just an application set - has no significance in your post.
> > >
> > > Whether or not a file is executable in UNIX/Linux has nothing to do
with
> the
> > > file's extension. There is nothing inherently executable about the
> extension
> > > .pl. What DOES determine whether a file is executable or not is a
> > > combination of the file's "executable" attribute in the file system
and
> > > whether or not the file is a shell script and or conforms to the Linux
> > > Binary executable specification (ELF).
> > >
> > > Basically, you could have a file called "blahblah.cheesecakes". as
long
> as
> > > the file has an executable attribute on it (chmod +x) it will work
like
> a
> > > windows .exe.
> > >
> > > You can download the appropriate 9800 Linux driver per X server
version
> from
> > > here
> > >
> > >
>
http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/l...=15&submit.y=4
> > >
> > > After that.............. ah, just fool around with it. You'll get it
> > > eventually.
> > >
> > Didn't the original poster state that he was running linux in a VMWare
> > session? If so downloading and installing the ATI linux driver won't do
> > any good as the virtual video card that VMWare provides is a basic VESA
> > compatible card, hence why he can only get VESA driver working.
> >
> > If he wants to utilise the full native capabilities of his card the best
> > thing to do would be to create some space on the hard drive for a new
> > dedicated partition or alternatively, buy another decent sized hard
> > drive (an 80GB drive these days is only £60) and install linux directly
> > onto the available partition/drive.
> >
> > This will then allow linux to recognise all of the available physical
> > hardware in the machine including the 9800pro. Now if you download the
> > Linux driver from ATI's website and fool around with it, you'll
> > eventually get it working with full hardware support.
> >
> > The Alternative is to use a VMWare supported version of Linux, i.e.
> > Redhat, Mandrake, Suse etc and follow the instructions for installing
> > linux (usually involves using the text only installer, not the graphical
> > installer) and once linux is installed, then installing the VMWare Tools
> > package which installs the VMWare X Server and mouse/keyboard support.
> >
> > Note regarding VMWare: VMware provides you with a virtual machine
> > environment that you can use to run any kind of X86 compatible OS. What
> > it *does not* do is provide each native virtual machine with an exact
> > copy of your hardware. In other words each VM *does not* have it's own
> > 9800pro to play with.
> >
> > VMWare uses known hardware emulation for various devices which may exist
> > on your phsyical machine. For example your physical machine may have a
> > 3Com Gigabit Ethernet NIC but each of your Virtual Machines uses an AMD
> > PCNET Family PCI NIC. In the same way your physical PC has an ATI 9800
> > Pro in it each of your virtual machines have a VMWare SVGA II video
> > adaptor (in my VMWare V4.5 it's a VMWare SVGA II anyway).
> >
> > --
> > JasonB
> >
> > To reply, replace nospam4me with blueyonder
>
>

No problem. Good luck to ya with Linux.

For what it's worth - My basic Linux versus Windows philosophy is Linux is
great for many things and falls short in certain areas. It is in those areas
that MS picks up the tab; Windows is great for many things and falls short
in certain areas. It is in THOSE areas that Linux picks up the tab.

Good to know both. I've used Linux extensively over the past few years and
have not been "converted" so to speak. I believe the OS's compliment each
other.

Simple rule though ------------ Linux sucks for gaming. Wanna play the
latest and greatest games, then stick with Win32.

--
Tony DiMarzio
(E-Mail Removed)
(E-Mail Removed)


"Steve D" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:axRUc.25932$Yl.17182@okepread07...
> thanks all....i am somewhat of a windows expert....i am a network engineer
> by trade....it is really wierd to be in front of a computer and have NO
> FRIGGIN IDEA how to do anything...i am on a linux mission...maybe i will
be
> a convert...time will tell..thanks again
> Steve
>
> "Tony DiMarzio" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:hpadnWu8HYCT8L7cRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hmmm... My bad. I didn't realize VMWare had anything to do with anything
> in
> > this situation. That's because I've never used it and as such was
unaware
> > that it emulates hardware (guess the Virtual Machine should have gave
that
> > away though). As it stands I can boot 5 different OS's right now using
> > either NTLDR or LILO, having each OS lie on its own partition. With good
> > partitioning tools like Partition Magic it's so easy to throw new OS's
all
> > over the place without ever losing a bit of important data that I've
never
> > even thought about downloading VMWare. Throw some nasty VMWare emulation
> in
> > the mix and I'm sure to stick with multi-booting indefinitely. I guess
the
> > driving point of VMWare is the ability to run multiple OS's
simultaneously
> > in different Virtual Machines that lie in physical RAM... but the notion
> > makes my stomach turn. It's just not a clean way to do things... I'm
done
> > rambling.
> >
> > In light of this VMWare crap, what he should do is what you stated
below -
> > fire up Linux on it's own separate partition and then install the ATI
> Linux
> > driver per ATI provided instructions.
> >
> > --
> > Tony DiMarzio
> > (E-Mail Removed)
> > (E-Mail Removed)
> >
> >
> > "JasonB" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:ENJUc.157422$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Tony DiMarzio wrote:
> > > > Which linux distro are you using - RedHat, Slackware, Debian, Huh??
> > > >
> > > > Gnome is just an application set - has no significance in your post.
> > > >
> > > > Whether or not a file is executable in UNIX/Linux has nothing to do
> with
> > the
> > > > file's extension. There is nothing inherently executable about the
> > extension
> > > > .pl. What DOES determine whether a file is executable or not is a
> > > > combination of the file's "executable" attribute in the file system
> and
> > > > whether or not the file is a shell script and or conforms to the
Linux
> > > > Binary executable specification (ELF).
> > > >
> > > > Basically, you could have a file called "blahblah.cheesecakes". as
> long
> > as
> > > > the file has an executable attribute on it (chmod +x) it will work
> like
> > a
> > > > windows .exe.
> > > >
> > > > You can download the appropriate 9800 Linux driver per X server
> version
> > from
> > > > here
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/l...=15&submit.y=4
> > > >
> > > > After that.............. ah, just fool around with it. You'll get it
> > > > eventually.
> > > >
> > > Didn't the original poster state that he was running linux in a VMWare
> > > session? If so downloading and installing the ATI linux driver won't
do
> > > any good as the virtual video card that VMWare provides is a basic
VESA
> > > compatible card, hence why he can only get VESA driver working.
> > >
> > > If he wants to utilise the full native capabilities of his card the
best
> > > thing to do would be to create some space on the hard drive for a new
> > > dedicated partition or alternatively, buy another decent sized hard
> > > drive (an 80GB drive these days is only £60) and install linux
directly
> > > onto the available partition/drive.
> > >
> > > This will then allow linux to recognise all of the available physical
> > > hardware in the machine including the 9800pro. Now if you download
the
> > > Linux driver from ATI's website and fool around with it, you'll
> > > eventually get it working with full hardware support.
> > >
> > > The Alternative is to use a VMWare supported version of Linux, i.e.
> > > Redhat, Mandrake, Suse etc and follow the instructions for installing
> > > linux (usually involves using the text only installer, not the
graphical
> > > installer) and once linux is installed, then installing the VMWare
Tools
> > > package which installs the VMWare X Server and mouse/keyboard support.
> > >
> > > Note regarding VMWare: VMware provides you with a virtual machine
> > > environment that you can use to run any kind of X86 compatible OS.
What
> > > it *does not* do is provide each native virtual machine with an exact
> > > copy of your hardware. In other words each VM *does not* have it's
own
> > > 9800pro to play with.
> > >
> > > VMWare uses known hardware emulation for various devices which may
exist
> > > on your phsyical machine. For example your physical machine may have
a
> > > 3Com Gigabit Ethernet NIC but each of your Virtual Machines uses an
AMD
> > > PCNET Family PCI NIC. In the same way your physical PC has an ATI
9800
> > > Pro in it each of your virtual machines have a VMWare SVGA II video
> > > adaptor (in my VMWare V4.5 it's a VMWare SVGA II anyway).
> > >
> > > --
> > > JasonB
> > >
> > > To reply, replace nospam4me with blueyonder
> >
> >
>
>

Steve D wrote:

> thanks all....i am somewhat of a windows expert....i am a network engineer
> by trade....it is really wierd to be in front of a computer and have NO
> FRIGGIN IDEA how to do anything...i am on a linux mission...maybe i will
> be a convert...time will tell..thanks again
> Steve
>
> "Tony DiMarzio" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:hpadnWu8HYCT8L7cRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hmmm... My bad. I didn't realize VMWare had anything to do with anything
> in
>> this situation. That's because I've never used it and as such was unaware
>> that it emulates hardware (guess the Virtual Machine should have gave
>> that away though). As it stands I can boot 5 different OS's right now
>> using either NTLDR or LILO, having each OS lie on its own partition. With
>> good partitioning tools like Partition Magic it's so easy to throw new
>> OS's all over the place without ever losing a bit of important data that
>> I've never even thought about downloading VMWare. Throw some nasty VMWare
>> emulation
> in
>> the mix and I'm sure to stick with multi-booting indefinitely. I guess
>> the driving point of VMWare is the ability to run multiple OS's
>> simultaneously in different Virtual Machines that lie in physical RAM...
>> but the notion makes my stomach turn. It's just not a clean way to do
>> things... I'm done rambling.

I'm curious as to what it is about using the Intel virtual machine the way
it was designed to be used is "not a clean way to do things".

>> In light of this VMWare crap, what he should do is what you stated below
>> - fire up Linux on it's own separate partition and then install the ATI
> Linux
>> driver per ATI provided instructions.
>>
>> --
>> Tony DiMarzio
>> (E-Mail Removed)
>> (E-Mail Removed)
>>
>>
>> "JasonB" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:ENJUc.157422$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Tony DiMarzio wrote:
>> > > Which linux distro are you using - RedHat, Slackware, Debian, Huh??
>> > >
>> > > Gnome is just an application set - has no significance in your post.
>> > >
>> > > Whether or not a file is executable in UNIX/Linux has nothing to do
> with
>> the
>> > > file's extension. There is nothing inherently executable about the
>> extension
>> > > .pl. What DOES determine whether a file is executable or not is a
>> > > combination of the file's "executable" attribute in the file system
> and
>> > > whether or not the file is a shell script and or conforms to the
>> > > Linux Binary executable specification (ELF).
>> > >
>> > > Basically, you could have a file called "blahblah.cheesecakes". as
> long
>> as
>> > > the file has an executable attribute on it (chmod +x) it will work
> like
>> a
>> > > windows .exe.
>> > >
>> > > You can download the appropriate 9800 Linux driver per X server
> version
>> from
>> > > here
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>
http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/l...=15&submit.y=4
>> > >
>> > > After that.............. ah, just fool around with it. You'll get it
>> > > eventually.
>> > >
>> > Didn't the original poster state that he was running linux in a VMWare
>> > session? If so downloading and installing the ATI linux driver won't
>> > do any good as the virtual video card that VMWare provides is a basic
>> > VESA compatible card, hence why he can only get VESA driver working.
>> >
>> > If he wants to utilise the full native capabilities of his card the
>> > best thing to do would be to create some space on the hard drive for a
>> > new dedicated partition or alternatively, buy another decent sized hard
>> > drive (an 80GB drive these days is only £60) and install linux directly
>> > onto the available partition/drive.
>> >
>> > This will then allow linux to recognise all of the available physical
>> > hardware in the machine including the 9800pro. Now if you download the
>> > Linux driver from ATI's website and fool around with it, you'll
>> > eventually get it working with full hardware support.
>> >
>> > The Alternative is to use a VMWare supported version of Linux, i.e.
>> > Redhat, Mandrake, Suse etc and follow the instructions for installing
>> > linux (usually involves using the text only installer, not the
>> > graphical installer) and once linux is installed, then installing the
>> > VMWare Tools package which installs the VMWare X Server and
>> > mouse/keyboard support.
>> >
>> > Note regarding VMWare: VMware provides you with a virtual machine
>> > environment that you can use to run any kind of X86 compatible OS.
>> > What it *does not* do is provide each native virtual machine with an
>> > exact
>> > copy of your hardware. In other words each VM *does not* have it's own
>> > 9800pro to play with.
>> >
>> > VMWare uses known hardware emulation for various devices which may
>> > exist
>> > on your phsyical machine. For example your physical machine may have a
>> > 3Com Gigabit Ethernet NIC but each of your Virtual Machines uses an AMD
>> > PCNET Family PCI NIC. In the same way your physical PC has an ATI 9800
>> > Pro in it each of your virtual machines have a VMWare SVGA II video
>> > adaptor (in my VMWare V4.5 it's a VMWare SVGA II anyway).
>> >
>> > --
>> > JasonB
>> >
>> > To reply, replace nospam4me with blueyonder
>>
>>

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)