need it say more?

neopolaris wrote:
> need it say more?

ignore. It's not the card everyone thought it was. newegg mislabeled it.
The card is really a Sapphire OEM so phuk that basically.

There's nothing wrong with that, mine clocks past pro speeds, no bios flash

Mike

"neopolaris" <.> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
> neopolaris wrote:
> > need it say more?
>
> ignore. It's not the card everyone thought it was. newegg mislabeled it.
> The card is really a Sapphire OEM so phuk that basically.
>
>

My sapphire NP flashed to the pro bios and does 425/353 all day...

"Mike P" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> There's nothing wrong with that, mine clocks past pro speeds, no bios
flash
>
> Mike
>
> "neopolaris" <.> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >
> > neopolaris wrote:
> > > need it say more?
> >
> > ignore. It's not the card everyone thought it was. newegg mislabeled
it.
> > The card is really a Sapphire OEM so phuk that basically.
> >
> >
>
>

"neopolaris" <.> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
> neopolaris wrote:
> > need it say more?
>
> ignore. It's not the card everyone thought it was. newegg mislabeled it.
> The card is really a Sapphire OEM so phuk that basically.

You do realize the Sapphire makes cards for ATI? The Sapphire Radeon 9800
non-pro is justly famous for overclocking to, or beyond, pro speeds --
making it a major bargain.

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:02:51 GMT, "Skid" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
>"neopolaris" <.> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>
>> neopolaris wrote:
>> > need it say more?
>>
>> ignore. It's not the card everyone thought it was. newegg mislabeled it.
>> The card is really a Sapphire OEM so phuk that basically.
>
>You do realize the Sapphire makes cards for ATI? The Sapphire Radeon 9800
>non-pro is justly famous for overclocking to, or beyond, pro speeds --
>making it a major bargain.
>

It definitely doesn't look like the picture they show with it. Mine is
the black pcb instead of the pretty red. Anybody flashed the BIOS on
this card since they got it back in stock (98-8004.bin)? Is this the
same card they had before they ran out or what? I am hesistant to
flash mine until i know for sure.

Also how can you tell what brand the memory is on it? Its not exactly
labelled.

"NoneOfBusiness" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:02:51 GMT, "Skid" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"neopolaris" <.> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>
> >>
> >> neopolaris wrote:
> >> > need it say more?
> >>
> >> ignore. It's not the card everyone thought it was. newegg mislabeled
it.
> >> The card is really a Sapphire OEM so phuk that basically.
> >
> >You do realize the Sapphire makes cards for ATI? The Sapphire Radeon 9800
> >non-pro is justly famous for overclocking to, or beyond, pro speeds --
> >making it a major bargain.
> >
>
> It definitely doesn't look like the picture they show with it. Mine is
> the black pcb instead of the pretty red. Anybody flashed the BIOS on
> this card since they got it back in stock (98-8004.bin)? Is this the
> same card they had before they ran out or what? I am hesistant to
> flash mine until i know for sure.
>
> Also how can you tell what brand the memory is on it? Its not exactly
> labelled.

Check the tweaking forum at www.rage3d.com. I don't have one, but I've seen
reports from many happy owners of black-pcb cards.

Taken from http://www.amdforums.com/showthread....hreadid=266718.
There's another thread like it. I repeat. It's NOT the card everyone
thought it was. Sapphire OEM is lower on the food chain than a regular
Sapphire.

hey guys, new to this place... usually post at sharkys... but i wanted to
let you know about the 9800np they got at newegg... i just got mine today
and all i can tell you is that they suck.. i have a built by ati 9800np
already and compared the two... the sapphire card is always at least 300
points behind in 3dmark 2001 even when i had the card clocked at 400/360
compared to the built by ati at 400/331... scores were 17700 to 18080... i
think the bios on this card blows... and forget about updating the bios to a
9800 pro, i tried and at stock 9800 pro speeds with the entech memory i got
artifacting.. odd thing is at400/360 using a softoc'er i got no artifacts...
this card is not worth the 249 in my opinion which is why i am calling
newegg tomorrow and will try to send it back... i just hope the will work
with me....



Skid wrote:
> "NoneOfBusiness" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:02:51 GMT, "Skid" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "neopolaris" <.> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> neopolaris wrote:
>>>>> need it say more?
>>>>
>>>> ignore. It's not the card everyone thought it was. newegg
>>>> mislabeled it. The card is really a Sapphire OEM so phuk that
>>>> basically.
>>>
>>> You do realize the Sapphire makes cards for ATI? The Sapphire
>>> Radeon 9800 non-pro is justly famous for overclocking to, or
>>> beyond, pro speeds -- making it a major bargain.
>>>
>>
>> It definitely doesn't look like the picture they show with it. Mine
>> is the black pcb instead of the pretty red. Anybody flashed the
>> BIOS on this card since they got it back in stock (98-8004.bin)? Is
>> this the same card they had before they ran out or what? I am
>> hesistant to flash mine until i know for sure.
>>
>> Also how can you tell what brand the memory is on it? Its not exactly
>> labelled.
>
> Check the tweaking forum at www.rage3d.com. I don't have one, but
> I've seen reports from many happy owners of black-pcb cards.

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neopolaris stood up at show-n-tell, in (E-Mail Removed),
and said:

> Taken from http://www.amdforums.com/showthread....hreadid=266718.
> There's another thread like it. I repeat. It's NOT the card everyone
> thought it was. Sapphire OEM is lower on the food chain than a
> regular Sapphire.
>
> hey guys, new to this place... usually post at sharkys... but i
> wanted to let you know about the 9800np they got at newegg... i just
> got mine today and all i can tell you is that they suck.. i have a
> built by ati 9800np already and compared the two... the sapphire card
> is always at least 300 points behind in 3dmark 2001 even when i had

300 points, in 3dMark2001SE is not much. In fact, it's close to the
'variance' between benches, on same hardware. If you want a better
comparison, for DX9 cards, use 3dMark03.



> the card clocked at 400/360 compared to the built by ati at
> 400/331... scores were 17700 to 18080... i think the bios on this
> card blows... and forget about updating the bios to a 9800 pro, i
> tried and at stock 9800 pro speeds with the entech memory i got

Guess you got screwed, on the memory. Either that, or your case cooling is
inadequate. Thought about ramsinks?

> artifacting.. odd thing is at400/360 using a softoc'er i got no
> artifacts... this card is not worth the 249 in my opinion which is
> why i am calling newegg tomorrow and will try to send it back... i
> just hope the will work with me....
>
>
>
> Skid wrote:
>> "NoneOfBusiness" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:02:51 GMT, "Skid" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "neopolaris" <.> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> neopolaris wrote:
>>>>>> need it say more?
>>>>>
>>>>> ignore. It's not the card everyone thought it was. newegg
>>>>> mislabeled it. The card is really a Sapphire OEM so phuk that
>>>>> basically.
>>>>
>>>> You do realize the Sapphire makes cards for ATI? The Sapphire
>>>> Radeon 9800 non-pro is justly famous for overclocking to, or
>>>> beyond, pro speeds -- making it a major bargain.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It definitely doesn't look like the picture they show with it. Mine
>>> is the black pcb instead of the pretty red. Anybody flashed the
>>> BIOS on this card since they got it back in stock (98-8004.bin)? Is
>>> this the same card they had before they ran out or what? I am
>>> hesistant to flash mine until i know for sure.
>>>
>>> Also how can you tell what brand the memory is on it? Its not
>>> exactly labelled.
>>
>> Check the tweaking forum at www.rage3d.com. I don't have one, but
>> I've seen reports from many happy owners of black-pcb cards.

--

It's about the memory and the ability to flash the card to a 9800Pro. Not
3dmarkxx.

Strontium wrote:
> -
> neopolaris stood up at show-n-tell, in
> (E-Mail Removed), and said:
>
>> Taken from
>> http://www.amdforums.com/showthread....hreadid=266718. There's
>> another thread like it. I repeat. It's NOT the card everyone
>> thought it was. Sapphire OEM is lower on the food chain than a
>> regular Sapphire.
>>
>> hey guys, new to this place... usually post at sharkys... but i
>> wanted to let you know about the 9800np they got at newegg... i just
>> got mine today and all i can tell you is that they suck.. i have a
>> built by ati 9800np already and compared the two... the sapphire card
>> is always at least 300 points behind in 3dmark 2001 even when i had
>
> 300 points, in 3dMark2001SE is not much. In fact, it's close to the
> 'variance' between benches, on same hardware. If you want a better
> comparison, for DX9 cards, use 3dMark03.
>
>
>
>> the card clocked at 400/360 compared to the built by ati at
>> 400/331... scores were 17700 to 18080... i think the bios on this
>> card blows... and forget about updating the bios to a 9800 pro, i
>> tried and at stock 9800 pro speeds with the entech memory i got
>
> Guess you got screwed, on the memory. Either that, or your case
> cooling is inadequate. Thought about ramsinks?
>
>> artifacting.. odd thing is at400/360 using a softoc'er i got no
>> artifacts... this card is not worth the 249 in my opinion which is
>> why i am calling newegg tomorrow and will try to send it back... i
>> just hope the will work with me....
>>
>>
>>
>> Skid wrote:
>>> "NoneOfBusiness" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:02:51 GMT, "Skid" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "neopolaris" <.> wrote in message
>>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> neopolaris wrote:
>>>>>>> need it say more?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ignore. It's not the card everyone thought it was. newegg
>>>>>> mislabeled it. The card is really a Sapphire OEM so phuk that
>>>>>> basically.
>>>>>
>>>>> You do realize the Sapphire makes cards for ATI? The Sapphire
>>>>> Radeon 9800 non-pro is justly famous for overclocking to, or
>>>>> beyond, pro speeds -- making it a major bargain.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It definitely doesn't look like the picture they show with it. Mine
>>>> is the black pcb instead of the pretty red. Anybody flashed the
>>>> BIOS on this card since they got it back in stock (98-8004.bin)?
>>>> Is this the same card they had before they ran out or what? I am
>>>> hesistant to flash mine until i know for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Also how can you tell what brand the memory is on it? Its not
>>>> exactly labelled.
>>>
>>> Check the tweaking forum at www.rage3d.com. I don't have one, but
>>> I've seen reports from many happy owners of black-pcb cards.