New Egg has Sapphire 9800 SE OEM non-pro cards for $166. Can anyone please
explain the difference between these cards and the 9800 Pro?

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...ion=9800%2Cpro

Thanks

Joe
P.S. If this is a duplicate post - my apologies in advance.

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:44:02 GMT, Joe727 wrote:

>New Egg has Sapphire 9800 SE OEM non-pro cards for $166. Can anyone please
>explain the difference between these cards and the 9800 Pro?
>
>http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...ion=9800%2Cpro
>
>Thanks
>
>Joe
>P.S. If this is a duplicate post - my apologies in advance.

9800SE has only four pipelines, whereas 9800 (Pro and non-pro) have 8.
This will affect overall performance. I'd go for a 9800 non-pro over
a 9800SE if you can afford it.

Just make sure you go for the 256-bit memory 9800SE and then you can use the
hacked drivers (eg omega) and turns it into 9800pro

"Scott Wasilewski" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:44:02 GMT, Joe727 wrote:
>
> >New Egg has Sapphire 9800 SE OEM non-pro cards for $166. Can anyone
please
> >explain the difference between these cards and the 9800 Pro?
> >
>
>http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...scription=9800
%2Cpro
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Joe
> >P.S. If this is a duplicate post - my apologies in advance.
>
> 9800SE has only four pipelines, whereas 9800 (Pro and non-pro) have 8.
> This will affect overall performance. I'd go for a 9800 non-pro over
> a 9800SE if you can afford it.
>

I have read a number of times in this newsgroup that you can turn on the
additional 4 pipelines on the 9800 se using the omega drivers. I must say
that I am a little sceptical of that. I'm not even sure that a bios flash
could accomplish that since the # of pipelines is a hardware achitecture
issue. I understand that the 9500 could be turned into a 9700 pro through
various hacks, and I know that my 9800 non pro could be turned into a pro by
flashing the bios because I've done it. But I thought that the 9800 se was
in fact a lesser chip.

Hey, I'm just being skeptical here, but I do have an open mind on the issue.
Enlighten me!

JK

"Mix-Master" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:3f891f0d$0$23607$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Just make sure you go for the 256-bit memory 9800SE and then you can use
the
> hacked drivers (eg omega) and turns it into 9800pro
>
> "Scott Wasilewski" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:44:02 GMT, Joe727 wrote:
> >
> > >New Egg has Sapphire 9800 SE OEM non-pro cards for $166. Can anyone
> please
> > >explain the difference between these cards and the 9800 Pro?
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...scription=9800
> %2Cpro
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >Joe
> > >P.S. If this is a duplicate post - my apologies in advance.
> >
> > 9800SE has only four pipelines, whereas 9800 (Pro and non-pro) have 8.
> > This will affect overall performance. I'd go for a 9800 non-pro over
> > a 9800SE if you can afford it.
> >
>
>

"Scott Wasilewski" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:44:02 GMT, Joe727 wrote:
>
> >New Egg has Sapphire 9800 SE OEM non-pro cards for $166. Can anyone
please
> >explain the difference between these cards and the 9800 Pro?
> >
>
>http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...scription=9800
%2Cpro
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Joe
> >P.S. If this is a duplicate post - my apologies in advance.
>
> 9800SE has only four pipelines, whereas 9800 (Pro and non-pro) have 8.
> This will affect overall performance. I'd go for a 9800 non-pro over
> a 9800SE if you can afford it.
>
Thanks for the info.

Joe

Thanks for the info.

Joe

"Mix-Master" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:3f891f0d$0$23607$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Just make sure you go for the 256-bit memory 9800SE and then you can use
the
> hacked drivers (eg omega) and turns it into 9800pro
>
> "Scott Wasilewski" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:44:02 GMT, Joe727 wrote:
> >
> > >New Egg has Sapphire 9800 SE OEM non-pro cards for $166. Can anyone
> please
> > >explain the difference between these cards and the 9800 Pro?
> > >
> >
>
>http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...scription=9800
> %2Cpro
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >Joe
> > >P.S. If this is a duplicate post - my apologies in advance.
> >
> > 9800SE has only four pipelines, whereas 9800 (Pro and non-pro) have 8.
> > This will affect overall performance. I'd go for a 9800 non-pro over
> > a 9800SE if you can afford it.
> >
>
>
>

"John Hall" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:PTaib.182613$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have read a number of times in this newsgroup that you can turn on the
> additional 4 pipelines on the 9800 se using the omega drivers. I must say
> that I am a little sceptical of that. I'm not even sure that a bios flash
> could accomplish that since the # of pipelines is a hardware achitecture
> issue. I understand that the 9500 could be turned into a 9700 pro through
> various hacks, and I know that my 9800 non pro could be turned into a pro
by
> flashing the bios because I've done it. But I thought that the 9800 se
was
> in fact a lesser chip.
>
> Hey, I'm just being skeptical here, but I do have an open mind on the
issue.
> Enlighten me!
>
> JK
<snip>
Hi - have you found anymore info on this? Thanks.

Joe

I think that saphire card is not only 4 pipes but 128 bit memory bus too.
That would make it slower than a 9600 Pro. Avoid it.

Dave

"Joe727" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:mt1ib.37042$(E-Mail Removed)...
> New Egg has Sapphire 9800 SE OEM non-pro cards for $166. Can anyone
please
> explain the difference between these cards and the 9800 Pro?
>
>
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...ion=9800%2Cpro
>
> Thanks
>
> Joe
> P.S. If this is a duplicate post - my apologies in advance.
>
>
>

"Joe727" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:YLmib.97682$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "John Hall" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:PTaib.182613$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I have read a number of times in this newsgroup that you can turn on the
> > additional 4 pipelines on the 9800 se using the omega drivers. I must
say
> > that I am a little sceptical of that. I'm not even sure that a bios
flash
> > could accomplish that since the # of pipelines is a hardware achitecture
> > issue. I understand that the 9500 could be turned into a 9700 pro
through
> > various hacks, and I know that my 9800 non pro could be turned into a
pro
> by
> > flashing the bios because I've done it. But I thought that the 9800 se
> was
> > in fact a lesser chip.
> >
> > Hey, I'm just being skeptical here, but I do have an open mind on the
> issue.
> > Enlighten me!
> >
> > JK
> <snip>
> Hi - have you found anymore info on this? Thanks.
>
> Joe
>
Some are 'lesser' chips (notably the ones with a 128-bit memory interface)
the others are usually 'clipped' 9800 (non-pro) chips with 256-bit memory
interface and 8 pipes. I presume a bios tag (9800 SE) evokes a 'lesser'
software driver which enables only half the pipelines.

By forcing the software to accept the 9800 non-pro driver you can enable on
these cards the full 8 pipelines.

I believe the GPU's used in these cards are either defective or not good
enough for a 9800 or not QC for 9800 non-pro. But they probaly run fine at
lower speeds and with a lower load on the GPU (hence decreasing bandwidth by
disabling 4 pipes). Probably to decrease wastage they relabel them as 9800SE
and sell them to interested parties who want to build a 9700Pro-like card
with the flashy 9800-label on it :-)

Regards,

Manu T

"Manu T" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:3f8d376a$0$1112$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Joe727" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:YLmib.97682$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > "John Hall" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:PTaib.182613$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I have read a number of times in this newsgroup that you can turn on
the
> > > additional 4 pipelines on the 9800 se using the omega drivers. I must
> say
> > > that I am a little sceptical of that. I'm not even sure that a bios
> flash
> > > could accomplish that since the # of pipelines is a hardware
achitecture
> > > issue. I understand that the 9500 could be turned into a 9700 pro
> through
> > > various hacks, and I know that my 9800 non pro could be turned into a
> pro
> > by
> > > flashing the bios because I've done it. But I thought that the 9800
se
> > was
> > > in fact a lesser chip.
> > >
> > > Hey, I'm just being skeptical here, but I do have an open mind on the
> > issue.
> > > Enlighten me!
> > >
> > > JK
> > <snip>
> > Hi - have you found anymore info on this? Thanks.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> Some are 'lesser' chips (notably the ones with a 128-bit memory interface)
> the others are usually 'clipped' 9800 (non-pro) chips with 256-bit memory
> interface and 8 pipes. I presume a bios tag (9800 SE) evokes a 'lesser'
> software driver which enables only half the pipelines.
>
> By forcing the software to accept the 9800 non-pro driver you can enable
on
> these cards the full 8 pipelines.
>
> I believe the GPU's used in these cards are either defective or not good
> enough for a 9800 or not QC for 9800 non-pro. But they probaly run fine at
> lower speeds and with a lower load on the GPU (hence decreasing bandwidth
by
> disabling 4 pipes). Probably to decrease wastage they relabel them as
9800SE
> and sell them to interested parties who want to build a 9700Pro-like card
> with the flashy 9800-label on it :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Manu T
>
Thanks for the info.

Joe