how close is the 9700 pro to a 9800 pro in performance is there a big gap?

"wired and confused" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> how close is the 9700 pro to a 9800 pro in performance is there a big gap?
>
About 10% according to most of the benching I've seen. They're still an
excellent card.

Well looking at this table from Tomshardware.com:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...229/index.html
The only 2 differences are the GPU and RAM speeds the 9800 pro has an extra
55Mhz on the GPU and 80Mhz on the ram.

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:34:29 GMT, "wired and confused"
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>:>how close is the 9700 pro to a 9800 pro in performance is there a big gap?
>:>

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Lee.

The 9700 is NOT DX9 capable. The 9800 is. If you want to play newer games
you'll want the 9800.

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DaveW



"wired and confused" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> how close is the 9700 pro to a 9800 pro in performance is there a big gap?
>
>

DaveW wrote:
> The 9700 is NOT DX9 capable. The 9800 is. If you want to play newer games
> you'll want the 9800.
>

The 9700 is absolutely DX9 capable.

"DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> The 9700 is NOT DX9 capable.

Say what now? If it were not DirectX9 capable I would not be able to
complete the DX9 tests in 3dmark 03 would I?

Please explain.

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:04:41 GMT, Lee
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>Well looking at this table from Tomshardware.com:
>http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...229/index.html
>The only 2 differences are the GPU and RAM speeds the 9800 pro has an extra
>55Mhz on the GPU and 80Mhz on the ram.

wrong, they use different GPU's. There are differences in their
function, although I'm not exactly sure what they are off hand.



You should start drinking prune juice and KY jelly cocktails right now,
that will make things a lot smoother.
-Felatio Love

"DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> The 9700 is NOT DX9 capable. The 9800 is. If you want to play newer
games
> you'll want the 9800.
>

Glad to see I'm not the only one who screws up sometime. 9700 series all
fully DX9. 9700 Pro has an RV300 GPU, the 9800 has RV350. Different
transistor count, architecture. And like I said, about 8-10% slower.

"Augustus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "DaveW" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> newsuNwc.50295$pt3.34453@attbi_s03...
> > The 9700 is NOT DX9 capable. The 9800 is. If you want to play newer
> games
> > you'll want the 9800.
> >
>
> Glad to see I'm not the only one who screws up sometime. 9700 series all
> fully DX9. 9700 Pro has an RV300 GPU, the 9800 has RV350. Different
> transistor count, architecture. And like I said, about 8-10% slower.
>


Actually the 9700Pro is easily overclocked to 9800Pro speeds
(Core=378 Mem=337.5)

One real difference is the 9700Pro is 1.1 Pixel Shader and the
9800Pro is 2.0; there may be other differences but they seem to
have little if any impact on what the card can run.

Luck;
Ken

> Actually the 9700Pro is easily overclocked to 9800Pro speeds
> (Core=378 Mem=337.5)
>
> One real difference is the 9700Pro is 1.1 Pixel Shader and the
> 9800Pro is 2.0; there may be other differences but they seem to
> have little if any impact on what the card can run.
>
> Luck;
> K

True, but if you overclock the 9800 Pro by the same amount it's still about
10% faster. A person who overclocks will overclock everything....even an
9800XT. So the 9700 Pro is still going to be a bit slower. I'd be perfectly
happy with either.