Hi

Various FPS games are causing issues. For example, Half Life 2 single
player has wireframe outlines, even at the menu screen. Some games just
crash.

The problems occur straight away or could take a few minutes to appear. The
HL2 menu problems start straight away.

Here's the config :

128MB 9600XT
Windows XP Pro SP 2 (fully patched)
Latest MSI /VIA drivers for motherboard
Latest ATI drivers (and numerous other versions installed after using the
ATI clean-up utility each time)
Latest Direct X

and things that have been tried :

AGP speed tested at none, 4x and 8x.
All settings within HL2 have been turned down to the minimums
The GPU cooler has been removed, clean and re-fitted with new thermal
compound
VPU recover has been enabled and disabled
DXdiag shows no issues
The PSU has been changed and all of the non-essentials have been
disconnected from the PSU

This hardware has worked together ok before. It's not obvious what could
have changed to cause this.

The graphics hardware is not overclocked.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

What version 9600XT, private labeled by whom?

Kev wrote:
> Hi
>
> Various FPS games are causing issues. For example, Half Life 2 single
> player has wireframe outlines, even at the menu screen. Some games just
> crash.
>
> The problems occur straight away or could take a few minutes to appear. The
> HL2 menu problems start straight away.
>
> Here's the config :
>
> 128MB 9600XT
> Windows XP Pro SP 2 (fully patched)
> Latest MSI /VIA drivers for motherboard
> Latest ATI drivers (and numerous other versions installed after using the
> ATI clean-up utility each time)
> Latest Direct X
>
> and things that have been tried :
>
> AGP speed tested at none, 4x and 8x.
> All settings within HL2 have been turned down to the minimums
> The GPU cooler has been removed, clean and re-fitted with new thermal
> compound
> VPU recover has been enabled and disabled
> DXdiag shows no issues
> The PSU has been changed and all of the non-essentials have been
> disconnected from the PSU
>
> This hardware has worked together ok before. It's not obvious what could
> have changed to cause this.
>
> The graphics hardware is not overclocked.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks

"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> What version 9600XT, private labeled by whom?

Sapphire

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Kev wrote:
> "RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
>>What version 9600XT, private labeled by whom?
>
>
> Sapphire
>


Same sorts of issues with a Connect 3D 9600XT (RV350 GPU).

"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Kev wrote:
>> "RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>>>What version 9600XT, private labeled by whom?
>>
>>
>> Sapphire
>>
>
>
> Same sorts of issues with a Connect 3D 9600XT (RV350 GPU).

Thanks. Do you know what the cause was and if / how they were corrected ?

Kev wrote:
> "RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>>Kev wrote:
>>
>>>"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>news:O-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>>
>>>>What version 9600XT, private labeled by whom?
>>>
>>>
>>>Sapphire
>>>
>>
>>
>>Same sorts of issues with a Connect 3D 9600XT (RV350 GPU).
>
>
> Thanks. Do you know what the cause was and if / how they were corrected ?
>

No, and they persist.

"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Kev wrote:
>> "RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>Kev wrote:
>>>
>>>>"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>What version 9600XT, private labeled by whom?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sapphire
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Same sorts of issues with a Connect 3D 9600XT (RV350 GPU).
>>
>>
>> Thanks. Do you know what the cause was and if / how they were corrected
>> ?
>>
>
> No, and they persist.

Just managed to borrow an old GF II MX 400. This does the same so it
suggests that the cards are ok. It will be easier to rebuild the OS !

Kev wrote:
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>>
>>Kev wrote:
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>>>"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>Kev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>>news:O-(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>What version 9600XT, private labeled by whom?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sapphire
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Same sorts of issues with a Connect 3D 9600XT (RV350 GPU).
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks. Do you know what the cause was and if / how they were corrected
>>>?
>>>
>>
>>No, and they persist.
>
>
> Just managed to borrow an old GF II MX 400. This does the same so it
> suggests that the cards are ok. It will be easier to rebuild the OS !
>
>

Reverting to nVidia TNT2 64 eliminates the behavior; no OS issue here.

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> Kev wrote:
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>>>
>>>Kev wrote:
>>>
>>>>"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>>Kev wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What version 9600XT, private labeled by whom?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sapphire
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Same sorts of issues with a Connect 3D 9600XT (RV350 GPU).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks. Do you know what the cause was and if / how they were corrected
>>>>?
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, and they persist.
>>
>>
>> Just managed to borrow an old GF II MX 400. This does the same so it
>> suggests that the cards are ok. It will be easier to rebuild the OS !
>>
>
> Reverting to nVidia TNT2 64 eliminates the behavior; no OS issue here.

Unless the TNT2 64 ignores certain instructions because it is so antiquated
??

Kev wrote:

> "RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>>Kev wrote:
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>>>"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>Kev wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>>"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Kev wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"RWM" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What version 9600XT, private labeled by whom?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sapphire
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Same sorts of issues with a Connect 3D 9600XT (RV350 GPU).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks. Do you know what the cause was and if / how they were corrected
>>>>>?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, and they persist.
>>>
>>>
>>>Just managed to borrow an old GF II MX 400. This does the same so it
>>>suggests that the cards are ok. It will be easier to rebuild the OS !
>>>
>>
>>Reverting to nVidia TNT2 64 eliminates the behavior; no OS issue here.
>
>
> Unless the TNT2 64 ignores certain instructions because it is so antiquated
> ??
>


Program instructions, perhaps. OS instructions, no.

Still, the 9600XT ought to work out of the box, and does not.