On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:28:31 +0100
"Joel Spencer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> I noticed that the 9500 (non pro) can be turned into the performance
> of a 9700 which is a really huge leap given the circumstances. Is this
> possible with the 9500 Pro? I'm not counting my chickens but I'm
> wishfully thinking that because the transformation is doen via
> software then surely the 9500 Pro could get the same treatment???

No. ATI crippled the non-pro by disabling half the pipelines, which can
often be re-enabled using software or a simple hardware mod. They
crippled the pro by cutting the memory bandwidth in half, which would
require a new circuit board to fix.

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I noticed that the 9500 (non pro) can be turned into the performance of a
9700 which is a really huge leap given the circumstances. Is this possible
with the 9500 Pro? I'm not counting my chickens but I'm wishfully thinking
that because the transformation is doen via software then surely the 9500
Pro could get the same treatment???

Joel

Can't do it with the pro. Different PCB. And it only works on some of the
non pros. I got it to work on my 9500 np. got some nice benchmarks too, but
after about 2 months I started to get some artifacts in games that I play. I
took the drivers back to the 9500 ones and all is well. To tell the truth,
at the resolutions that I run there is not much difference in performance.
Pipe Dreams doesn't run quite as smooth, but I don't run that every day. LOL
The 9500 pro is a great card for the price.


"Joel Spencer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:JItkb.37$(E-Mail Removed)...
: I noticed that the 9500 (non pro) can be turned into the performance of a
: 9700 which is a really huge leap given the circumstances. Is this possible
: with the 9500 Pro? I'm not counting my chickens but I'm wishfully thinking
: that because the transformation is doen via software then surely the 9500
: Pro could get the same treatment???
:
: Joel
:
:

You can't turn it into a 9700 for the reasons other posters have explained.
But you can overclock it for better performance. Check the tweaking forum at
www.rage3d.com for details.

"Joel Spencer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:JItkb.37$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I noticed that the 9500 (non pro) can be turned into the performance of a
> 9700 which is a really huge leap given the circumstances. Is this possible
> with the 9500 Pro? I'm not counting my chickens but I'm wishfully thinking
> that because the transformation is doen via software then surely the 9500
> Pro could get the same treatment???
>
> Joel
>
>

How does a non overclocked 9500 rank against
a non overclocked 4600?

Smiffy

Hmm.

My 9500 pro appears as a 9700 Pro after I overwrote the BIOS with an
overclockable one. Still, not as fast, but stable at 320/310 (I can get it
up to 340/320 but see the odd artefact after about an hour, and to be
honest, most games don't need the extra clocks). Default for a pro is about
280/270.

Using one of the early Connect 9500 Pros.

S




"Skid" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:lYykb.818308$YN5.826529@sccrnsc01...
> You can't turn it into a 9700 for the reasons other posters have
explained.
> But you can overclock it for better performance. Check the tweaking forum
at
> www.rage3d.com for details.
>
> "Joel Spencer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:JItkb.37$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I noticed that the 9500 (non pro) can be turned into the performance of
a
> > 9700 which is a really huge leap given the circumstances. Is this
possible
> > with the 9500 Pro? I'm not counting my chickens but I'm wishfully
thinking
> > that because the transformation is doen via software then surely the
9500
> > Pro could get the same treatment???
> >
> > Joel
> >
> >
>
>

I have an ATI 9500pro, which I flashed with the warp11 BIOS. Now the card is
seen as a 9700pro, I'm running it safely at 350/300. I also have an 80mm fan
resting on the back side of the card. I have no problems playing my games,
Halo, BF1942, America's Army, UT2003, U2 MPX, Alice (yes and old game but it
looks amazing and runs great at 1024x768, 4xAA and 16xAF)


"Sham B" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:3f930de3$0$380$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hmm.
>
> My 9500 pro appears as a 9700 Pro after I overwrote the BIOS with an
> overclockable one. Still, not as fast, but stable at 320/310 (I can get
it
> up to 340/320 but see the odd artefact after about an hour, and to be
> honest, most games don't need the extra clocks). Default for a pro is
about
> 280/270.
>
> Using one of the early Connect 9500 Pros.
>
> S
>
>
>
>
> "Skid" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:lYykb.818308$YN5.826529@sccrnsc01...
> > You can't turn it into a 9700 for the reasons other posters have
> explained.
> > But you can overclock it for better performance. Check the tweaking
forum
> at
> > www.rage3d.com for details.
> >
> > "Joel Spencer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:JItkb.37$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I noticed that the 9500 (non pro) can be turned into the performance
of
> a
> > > 9700 which is a really huge leap given the circumstances. Is this
> possible
> > > with the 9500 Pro? I'm not counting my chickens but I'm wishfully
> thinking
> > > that because the transformation is doen via software then surely the
> 9500
> > > Pro could get the same treatment???
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:14:53 +1000
"Ronald Weaver" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> You can softmod a 9500np into a 9500pro and have 8 pipes enabled.
> There are some 9500 pro's that will mod to a 9700pro. Only the 9500's
> with a 256bit mem may mod to a 9700. Now not all 9500np's will softmod
> successfully. The ones with odds are the cards with "L" shaped
> positioned memory chips.

Close, but not quite.

Some 9500 nps were built on the same board as the 9700, with firmware
modifications to cut the memory bus bandwidth and the number of
pipelines in half--those can usually (not always--sometimes the chip has
a physical defect in one of the areas that is turned off) be upgraded to
9700 nonpros with no trouble and can sometimes be overclocked to full
9700 pro status.

Other 9500 nps were built on a new circuit board with the 128-bit memory
bus designed into the board--those can often be soft-modded into the
9500 pro by enabling the additional pipelines, but it is not possible to
add the additional memory bandwidth except by constructing a new circuit
board.

All 9500 pros were built on the new board that has the 128-bit memory
designed in--no 9500 pro can be modded to a 9700 without constructing a
new circuit board.

> "Joel Spencer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:JItkb.37$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I noticed that the 9500 (non pro) can be turned into the performance
> > of a 9700 which is a really huge leap given the circumstances. Is
> > this possible with the 9500 Pro? I'm not counting my chickens but
> > I'm wishfully thinking that because the transformation is doen via
> > software then surely the 9500 Pro could get the same treatment???
> >
> > Joel
> >
> >
>
>


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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

You can softmod a 9500np into a 9500pro and have 8 pipes enabled. There are
some 9500 pro's that will mod to a 9700pro. Only the 9500's with a 256bit
mem may mod to a 9700. Now not all 9500np's will softmod successfully. The
ones with odds are the cards with "L" shaped positioned memory chips.


"Joel Spencer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:JItkb.37$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I noticed that the 9500 (non pro) can be turned into the performance of a
> 9700 which is a really huge leap given the circumstances. Is this possible
> with the 9500 Pro? I'm not counting my chickens but I'm wishfully thinking
> that because the transformation is doen via software then surely the 9500
> Pro could get the same treatment???
>
> Joel
>
>

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:25:58 GMT
"Skid" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> "SpaceWalker" <The_one@the_matirx.net> wrote in message
> news:ERIkb.25429$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I have an ATI 9500pro, which I flashed with the warp11 BIOS. Now the
> > card
> is
> > seen as a 9700pro, I'm running it safely at 350/300. I also have an
> > 80mm
> fan
> > resting on the back side of the card. I have no problems playing my
> > games, Halo, BF1942, America's Army, UT2003, U2 MPX, Alice (yes and
> > old game but
> it
> > looks amazing and runs great at 1024x768, 4xAA and 16xAF)
> >
> >
> > "Sham B" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:3f930de3$0$380$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Hmm.
> > >
> > > My 9500 pro appears as a 9700 Pro after I overwrote the BIOS with
> > > an overclockable one. Still, not as fast, but stable at 320/310
> > > (I can
> get
> > it
> > > up to 340/320 but see the odd artefact after about an hour, and to
> > > be honest, most games don't need the extra clocks). Default for a
> > > pro is
> > about
> > > 280/270.
> > >
> > > Using one of the early Connect 9500 Pros.
>
> Let's be clear about this, guys. You flashed with a 9700 bios, so now
> Windows detects your card as a 9700 Pro.
>
> That doesn't mean it is one. The core and memory may run at Pro
> speeds, but half the rendering pipelines are still closed and no
> soft-mod can change that.

If you have a 9500 Pro then all 8 pipelines are already enabled--the
9500 pros are crippled by cutting the memory bus width in half, not by
reducing the number of pipelines. Further, the pipelines _are_
soft-moddable, otherwise the 9500 non-pro mod could not work.

> All the bios flash does is unlock it for overclocking purposes and
> change the ID. It does not alter the card's hardware or configuration.
>
> The answer to the original poster's question remains the same. You can
> NOT turn a 9500 Pro into a 9700, pro or otherwise.
>
> The soft-mod and hard-mod techniques ONLY work on 128-meg 9500 NON-pro
> cards with the L-shaped 256-bit memory layout.
>
> There's a lot more info on this subject in the tweaking forum at
> www.rage3d.com
>
>


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