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Hello All,
I use Windows XP SP 3. System information is as follows: - OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600 OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation System Name HOME System Manufacturer ECS System Model M825VXX System Type X86-based PC Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1 AuthenticAMD ~1200 Mhz BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T, 4/2/2001 SMBIOS Version 2.3 Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1 Locale United States Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)" User Name HOME\Smarty Time Zone SA Western Standard Time Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB Available Physical Memory 929.95 MB Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB Page File Space 1.87 GB Page File C:\pagefile.sys I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad sectors on my hard drive. From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my system cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 months ago. when the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, June 21 2009 I ran the scan mentioned above and got the results at caption. I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to install a new hard drive. My questions are :- 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad sectors and by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors appears on all subsequent disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but that it would not be a problem nessessating the installation of a new hard drive. Thanking you in advance for your comments and/or suggestions. stan Lee N.B. I do not have any IT Training. I am a user who has picked up some knowledge about a computer. -- Paralegal |
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Richard Urban
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Bad sectors is a physical problem. They are not like a human virus. They can
not be transmitted from a bad drive to a good drive. If your new hard drive shows bad sectors send it back for warranty replacement. In addition, you clone a "known good" hard drive to another drive. Information that was on bad sectors on the old drive will not be cloned to the new drive. It can't be read. Somewhere down the road those missing bytes will rise up to cause you problems and you won't know what the source of the problem is. Example: It could be a part of the defragmenting program that has gone missing and you can no longer defragment your drives. You would never think it was due to cloning a defective drive. -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience <stan> wrote in message news:E833AF51-C705-4965-A0E9-(E-Mail Removed)... > Hello All, > > I use Windows XP SP 3. System information is as follows: - > > OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional > Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600 > OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation > System Name HOME > System Manufacturer ECS > System Model M825VXX > System Type X86-based PC > Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1 AuthenticAMD ~1200 Mhz > BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T, 4/2/2001 > SMBIOS Version 2.3 > Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS > System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 > Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1 > Locale United States > Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)" > User Name HOME\Smarty > Time Zone SA Western Standard Time > Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB > Available Physical Memory 929.95 MB > Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB > Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB > Page File Space 1.87 GB > Page File C:\pagefile.sys > > I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad > sectors on my hard drive. > > From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my system > cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 months ago. > when > the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, June 21 2009 I ran the > scan > mentioned above and got the results at caption. > > I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to install a > new > hard drive. My questions are :- > > 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? > 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad sectors > and > by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors appears on all > subsequent > disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but that it would not be a problem > nessessating the installation of a new hard drive. > > Thanking you in advance for your comments and/or suggestions. > > stan Lee > > N.B. I do not have any IT Training. I am a user who has picked up some > knowledge about a computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Paralegal |
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You do realize that any errors in the event log before you cloned your drive
will still be in the event log AFTER you cloned the drive. How did you come to realize the you had bad sectors on the new drive? -- Randem Systems Your Installation Specialist The Top Inno Setup Script Generator http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart http://www.randem.com/discus/message...tml?1236319938 <stan> wrote in message news:E833AF51-C705-4965-A0E9-(E-Mail Removed)... > Hello All, > > I use Windows XP SP 3. System information is as follows: - > > OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional > Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600 > OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation > System Name HOME > System Manufacturer ECS > System Model M825VXX > System Type X86-based PC > Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1 AuthenticAMD ~1200 Mhz > BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T, 4/2/2001 > SMBIOS Version 2.3 > Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS > System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 > Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1 > Locale United States > Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)" > User Name HOME\Smarty > Time Zone SA Western Standard Time > Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB > Available Physical Memory 929.95 MB > Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB > Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB > Page File Space 1.87 GB > Page File C:\pagefile.sys > > I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad > sectors on my hard drive. > > From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my system > cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 months ago. > when > the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, June 21 2009 I ran the > scan > mentioned above and got the results at caption. > > I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to install a > new > hard drive. My questions are :- > > 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? > 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad sectors > and > by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors appears on all > subsequent > disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but that it would not be a problem > nessessating the installation of a new hard drive. > > Thanking you in advance for your comments and/or suggestions. > > stan Lee > > N.B. I do not have any IT Training. I am a user who has picked up some > knowledge about a computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Paralegal |
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stan lee wrote:
> Hello All, > > I use Windows XP SP 3. > [snip...] > > I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad > sectors on my hard drive. > > From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my system > cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 months ago. when > the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, June 21 2009 I ran the scan > mentioned above and got the results at caption. > > I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to install a new > hard drive. My questions are :- > > 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? > 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad sectors and > by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors appears on all subsequent > disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but that it would not be a problem > nessessating the installation of a new hard drive. If the old hard drive had bad sectors and if Windows had them marked off then yes it is quite possible that the sectors would also be marked off as bad on the new drive. On NTFS volumes the list of bad sectors is held in the $BadClus metadata file. When the Windows installation is cloned the $BadClus file is cloned along with the the rest of the NTFS structure and the cloned installation will, of course, think that the clusters identified in $BadClus are bad. The Windows XP chkdsk version cannot reset this file, if left as is the clusters will be marked as bad until the list of bad clusters is removed from the $BadClus file or until the volume is reformatted. Manually editing the $BadClus file is enough to put many seasoned experts to the test, in earlier times when faced with this task most would simply elect to copy the files off the disk and reformat it then copy the files back, somehow using disk editors to edit files in the boot sector is enough to cause second thoughts and give most anyone a bit of hesitation. There are a few select utilities that can clear the $BadClus file but there is so little documentation on this problem that it's hard to find them, the best information that I have ever seen on this is from a Katy Coe from Norway: NTFS Bad Sectors Resolution: The $BadClus metafile http://www.djkaty.com/ntfsbadsectors Also: http://www.fsys.nl/index.php DFSee disk, partition and filesystem tool (Use the NOBAD command) If Chkdsk still finds bad sectors after you reset the $Badclus file have the manufacturer replace the drive. John PS. Why the long list empty returns at the end of your post? |
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Hello Randem,
The old drive was failing and I had the clone done 4 months ago. It seemed reasonable to deduce that it was probable that the report may have been there before the cloning and would still show up in later chkdsk scans and I just noticed it accidentally when this last scan was done. I did some reading and found that I could locate and print the report. Stan Lee -- Paralegal "Randem" wrote: > You do realize that any errors in the event log before you cloned your drive > will still be in the event log AFTER you cloned the drive. How did you come > to realize the you had bad sectors on the new drive? > > -- > Randem Systems > Your Installation Specialist > The Top Inno Setup Script Generator > http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html > Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart > http://www.randem.com/discus/message...tml?1236319938 > > > > <stan> wrote in message > news:E833AF51-C705-4965-A0E9-(E-Mail Removed)... > > Hello All, > > > > I use Windows XP SP 3. System information is as follows: - > > > > OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional > > Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600 > > OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation > > System Name HOME > > System Manufacturer ECS > > System Model M825VXX > > System Type X86-based PC > > Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1 AuthenticAMD ~1200 Mhz > > BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T, 4/2/2001 > > SMBIOS Version 2.3 > > Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS > > System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 > > Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1 > > Locale United States > > Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)" > > User Name HOME\Smarty > > Time Zone SA Western Standard Time > > Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB > > Available Physical Memory 929.95 MB > > Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB > > Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB > > Page File Space 1.87 GB > > Page File C:\pagefile.sys > > > > I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad > > sectors on my hard drive. > > > > From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my system > > cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 months ago. > > when > > the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, June 21 2009 I ran the > > scan > > mentioned above and got the results at caption. > > > > I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to install a > > new > > hard drive. My questions are :- > > > > 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? > > 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad sectors > > and > > by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors appears on all > > subsequent > > disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but that it would not be a problem > > nessessating the installation of a new hard drive. > > > > Thanking you in advance for your comments and/or suggestions. > > > > stan Lee > > > > N.B. I do not have any IT Training. I am a user who has picked up some > > knowledge about a computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Hi Richard,
Thank you for your communication. I shall be looking forward to a warranty replacement. Seems that I have to do a clean re-installation of the operating system and to re-install some of my programs as well. Would the system back up utility return all of my files to their proper file paths without loosing any of them. I have quite a few programs installed but have lost or misplaced the cds. That's why I am a bit weary. I shall be greatful for your comments and suggestions in this premise. Stan Lee Thank you for your communication -- Paralegal "Richard Urban" wrote: > Bad sectors is a physical problem. They are not like a human virus. They can > not be transmitted from a bad drive to a good drive. If your new hard drive > shows bad sectors send it back for warranty replacement. > > In addition, you clone a "known good" hard drive to another drive. > Information that was on bad sectors on the old drive will not be cloned to > the new drive. It can't be read. Somewhere down the road those missing bytes > will rise up to cause you problems and you won't know what the source of the > problem is. Example: It could be a part of the defragmenting program that > has gone missing and you can no longer defragment your drives. You would > never think it was due to cloning a defective drive. > > -- > > Richard Urban > Microsoft MVP > Windows Desktop Experience > > > <stan> wrote in message > news:E833AF51-C705-4965-A0E9-(E-Mail Removed)... > > Hello All, > > > > I use Windows XP SP 3. System information is as follows: - > > > > OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional > > Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600 > > OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation > > System Name HOME > > System Manufacturer ECS > > System Model M825VXX > > System Type X86-based PC > > Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1 AuthenticAMD ~1200 Mhz > > BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T, 4/2/2001 > > SMBIOS Version 2.3 > > Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS > > System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 > > Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1 > > Locale United States > > Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)" > > User Name HOME\Smarty > > Time Zone SA Western Standard Time > > Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB > > Available Physical Memory 929.95 MB > > Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB > > Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB > > Page File Space 1.87 GB > > Page File C:\pagefile.sys > > > > I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad > > sectors on my hard drive. > > > > From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my system > > cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 months ago. > > when > > the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, June 21 2009 I ran the > > scan > > mentioned above and got the results at caption. > > > > I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to install a > > new > > hard drive. My questions are :- > > > > 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? > > 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad sectors > > and > > by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors appears on all > > subsequent > > disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but that it would not be a problem > > nessessating the installation of a new hard drive. > > > > Thanking you in advance for your comments and/or suggestions. > > > > stan Lee > > > > N.B. I do not have any IT Training. I am a user who has picked up some > > knowledge about a computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Hello John, Thankful for your interesting narrative. The contents are well noted. I will follow up on the links you have given and get back to you. Thanks again. Stan Lee -- Paralegal "John John - MVP" wrote: > stan lee wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I use Windows XP SP 3. > > [snip...] > > > > I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad > > sectors on my hard drive. > > > > From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my system > > cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 months ago. when > > the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, June 21 2009 I ran the scan > > mentioned above and got the results at caption. > > > > I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to install a new > > hard drive. My questions are :- > > > > 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? > > 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad sectors and > > by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors appears on all subsequent > > disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but that it would not be a problem > > nessessating the installation of a new hard drive. > > If the old hard drive had bad sectors and if Windows had them marked off > then yes it is quite possible that the sectors would also be marked off > as bad on the new drive. > > On NTFS volumes the list of bad sectors is held in the $BadClus metadata > file. When the Windows installation is cloned the $BadClus file is > cloned along with the the rest of the NTFS structure and the cloned > installation will, of course, think that the clusters identified in > $BadClus are bad. The Windows XP chkdsk version cannot reset this file, > if left as is the clusters will be marked as bad until the list of bad > clusters is removed from the $BadClus file or until the volume is > reformatted. Manually editing the $BadClus file is enough to put many > seasoned experts to the test, in earlier times when faced with this task > most would simply elect to copy the files off the disk and reformat it > then copy the files back, somehow using disk editors to edit files in > the boot sector is enough to cause second thoughts and give most anyone > a bit of hesitation. There are a few select utilities that can clear > the $BadClus file but there is so little documentation on this problem > that it's hard to find them, the best information that I have ever seen > on this is from a Katy Coe from Norway: > > NTFS Bad Sectors Resolution: The $BadClus metafile > http://www.djkaty.com/ntfsbadsectors > > Also: > http://www.fsys.nl/index.php > DFSee disk, partition and filesystem tool > (Use the NOBAD command) > > If Chkdsk still finds bad sectors after you reset the $Badclus file have > the manufacturer replace the drive. > > John > > PS. Why the long list empty returns at the end of your post? > |
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A bad sector is a "physical" defect. There is no way in the world that a bad
sector will be cloned to a new drive and have the sector on the new drive become "physically bad"! The scrambled information contained in the bad sector "may" be transferred over to the new drive and be unreadable, but the sector is not "bad". I doubt that it would occur anyway. In NTFS the bad sector is mapped out and I do not think it would even be cloned in the first place. The disk controller ignores it. It has already been remapped to a good sector in the "store". All drives have X amount of spare sectors - whatever X may be for that particular manufacturer. Whenever the disk controller sees something trying to read/write to where the "bad" sector was located the read/write head is directed to the replacement sector - which is good. Of course, I may be wrong. (-: -- Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience "John John - MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)... > stan lee wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> I use Windows XP SP 3. >> [snip...] >> >> I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad >> sectors on my hard drive. >> >> From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my >> system cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 months >> ago. when the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, June 21 2009 >> I ran the scan mentioned above and got the results at caption. >> >> I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to install a >> new hard drive. My questions are :- >> >> 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? >> 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad sectors >> and by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors appears on all >> subsequent disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but that it would not >> be a problem nessessating the installation of a new hard drive. > > If the old hard drive had bad sectors and if Windows had them marked off > then yes it is quite possible that the sectors would also be marked off as > bad on the new drive. > > On NTFS volumes the list of bad sectors is held in the $BadClus metadata > file. When the Windows installation is cloned the $BadClus file is > cloned along with the the rest of the NTFS structure and the cloned > installation will, of course, think that the clusters identified in > $BadClus are bad. The Windows XP chkdsk version cannot reset this file, > if left as is the clusters will be marked as bad until the list of bad > clusters is removed from the $BadClus file or until the volume is > reformatted. Manually editing the $BadClus file is enough to put many > seasoned experts to the test, in earlier times when faced with this task > most would simply elect to copy the files off the disk and reformat it > then copy the files back, somehow using disk editors to edit files in > the boot sector is enough to cause second thoughts and give most anyone > a bit of hesitation. There are a few select utilities that can clear > the $BadClus file but there is so little documentation on this problem > that it's hard to find them, the best information that I have ever seen > on this is from a Katy Coe from Norway: > > NTFS Bad Sectors Resolution: The $BadClus metafile > http://www.djkaty.com/ntfsbadsectors > > Also: > http://www.fsys.nl/index.php > DFSee disk, partition and filesystem tool > (Use the NOBAD command) > > If Chkdsk still finds bad sectors after you reset the $Badclus file have > the manufacturer replace the drive. > > John > > PS. Why the long list empty returns at the end of your post? |
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You do realize that any errors in the event log before you cloned your drive will still be in the event log AFTER you cloned the drive. How did you come to realize the you had bad sectors on the new drive? -- Randem Systems Your Installation Specialist The Top Inno Setup Script Generator http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html Disk Read Error Press Ctl+Alt+Del to Restart http://www.randem.com/discus/message...tml?1236319938 <stan> wrote in message news:E833AF51-C705-4965-A0E9-(E-Mail Removed)... > Hello All, > > I use Windows XP SP 3. System information is as follows: - > > OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional > Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600 > OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation > System Name HOME > System Manufacturer ECS > System Model M825VXX > System Type X86-based PC > Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1 AuthenticAMD ~1200 Mhz > BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T, 4/2/2001 > SMBIOS Version 2.3 > Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS > System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 > Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1 > Locale United States > Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)" > User Name HOME\Smarty > Time Zone SA Western Standard Time > Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB > Available Physical Memory 929.95 MB > Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB > Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB > Page File Space 1.87 GB > Page File C:\pagefile.sys > > I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad > sectors on my hard drive. > > From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my system > cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 months ago. > when > the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, June 21 2009 I ran the > scan > mentioned above and got the results at caption. > > I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to install a > new > hard drive. My questions are :- > > 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? > 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad sectors > and > by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors appears on all > subsequent > disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but that it would not be a problem > nessessating the installation of a new hard drive. > > Thanking you in advance for your comments and/or suggestions. > > stan Lee > > N.B. I do not have any IT Training. I am a user who has picked up some > knowledge about a computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Paralegal |
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8 kb = 2 clusters which is of no consequence. You only have problem if you get more. You can use a drive with what you are seeing forever and a day and get no further proroblems. Try HD Tune. It only gives information and does not fix any problems. Download and run it and see what it turns up. You want HD Tune (freeware) version 2.55 not HD Tune Pro (not Freeware) version 3.00. http://www.hdtune.com/ Select the Info tabs and place the cursor on the drive under Drive letter and then double click the two page icon ( copy to Clipboard ) and copy into a further message. Select the Health tab and then double click the two page icon ( copy to Clipboard ) and copy into a further message. Make sure you do a full surface scan with HD Tune. -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ stan wrote: > Hello All, > > I use Windows XP SP 3. System information is as follows: - > > OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Professional > Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600 > OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation > System Name HOME > System Manufacturer ECS > System Model M825VXX > System Type X86-based PC > Processor x86 Family 6 Model 8 Stepping 1 AuthenticAMD ~1200 Mhz > BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T, 4/2/2001 > SMBIOS Version 2.3 > Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS > System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32 > Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1 > Locale United States > Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 > (xpsp.080413-2111)" > User Name HOME\Smarty > Time Zone SA Western Standard Time > Total Physical Memory 1,536.00 MB > Available Physical Memory 929.95 MB > Total Virtual Memory 2.00 GB > Available Virtual Memory 1.96 GB > Page File Space 1.87 GB > Page File C:\pagefile.sys > > I have noticed after running a scan disk check that there is 8KBin bad > sectors on my hard drive. > > From my former 20gb hard drive which was about 4 years old I had my > system cloned into a new 160gb hard drive . This was done about 4 > months ago. when the old hard drive began failing. Then yesterday, > June 21 2009 I ran the scan mentioned above and got the results at > caption. > > I found and printed the event log. I am advised that I need to > install a new hard drive. My questions are :- > > 1. Can this be resolved without having to purchase a new Hard Drive? > 2. Could it be that that the old hard drive contained those bad > sectors and by reason of cloning the report of the bad sectors > appears on all subsequent disk checks but I only saw it yesterday but > that it would not be a problem nessessating the installation of a new > hard drive. > > Thanking you in advance for your comments and/or suggestions. > > stan Lee > > N.B. I do not have any IT Training. I am a user who has picked up > some knowledge about a computer. |
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